Trade Thread, 2023-24 – (Offseason)

[djFan71]

4 teamer just to put it all together, but could easily be broken up.

BOS: 3, SloMo, Burks, Stewart, Prince, McLaughlin for Brown, Brogdon, Hauser
DET: Simons for Burks, Stewart
POR: Brown for 3, Simons
MIN: Prince, SloMo, McLaughlin for Brogdon, Hauser

MIN is the iffy part, imo. But they're back to the Jazz thing with scoring but no D everywhere and Gobert. McLaughlin is just salary ballast. (Not needed if you do White instead of Brogdon, but we'd want a pick or something).

Scoot/White
Smart/Burks
Tatum/Prince
SloMo/Grant
Rob/Stewart/Al

We also cut $21M in salary, so could take any salary dumps the other teams want or get a TPE.

I think Simons is work more than Burks and Stewart. More should be coming back from Detroit in this deal.

But I am pretty high on Anfernee and can 100% see him have a Markannen jump in value next season as a lead guard.

Yeah, could be. I try to make them realistic - sometimes to the point of screwing us, lol. But, I also like both those guys coming back. If we can get a pick back or what have you, great.

[Larry_Russell]

4 teamer just to put it all together, but could easily be broken up.

BOS: 3, SloMo, Burks, Stewart, Prince, McLaughlin for Brown, Brogdon, Hauser
DET: Simons for Burks, Stewart
POR: Brown for 3, Simons
MIN: Prince, SloMo, McLaughlin for Brogdon, Hauser

MIN is the iffy part, imo. But they're back to the Jazz thing with scoring but no D everywhere and Gobert. McLaughlin is just salary ballast. (Not needed if you do White instead of Brogdon, but we'd want a pick or something).

Scoot/White
Smart/Burks
Tatum/Prince
SloMo/Grant
Rob/Stewart/Al

We also cut $21M in salary, so could take any salary dumps the other teams want or get a TPE.

I think Simons is work more than Burks and Stewart. More should be coming back from Detroit in this deal.

But I am pretty high on Anfernee and can 100% see him have a Markannen jump in value next season as a lead guard.

Yeah, could be. I try to make them realistic - sometimes to the point of screwing us, lol. But, I also like both those guys coming back. If we can get a pick back or what have you, great.

I like stewart a lot, Kind of Meh on Slomo though.

But for Simons I think I want Bogdanovic and Stewart (with a littlemore swetener from us)

But maybe we can just cut detroit out.

Minny needs a lead gaurd...

Portland: Brown for Simons #3
Minny: Simons for McDaniels and Conley
Boston: Brown for Scoot, McDaniels and Conley
Clippers: Conley for Powell and coffey (salary)


Scoot/Brogdton
Smart/White
Tatum/Powell
McDaniels/Grant
Timelord/Horford

[djFan71]

I think Simons is work more than Burks and Stewart. More should be coming back from Detroit in this deal.

But I am pretty high on Anfernee and can 100% see him have a Markannen jump in value next season as a lead guard.

Yeah, could be. I try to make them realistic - sometimes to the point of screwing us, lol. But, I also like both those guys coming back. If we can get a pick back or what have you, great.

I like stewart a lot, Kind of Meh on Slomo though.

But for Simons I think I want Bogdanovic and Stewart (with a littlemore swetener from us)

But maybe we can just cut detroit out.

Minny needs a lead gaurd...

Portland: Brown for Simons #3
Minny: Simons for McDaniels and Conley
Boston: Brown for Scoot, McDaniels and Conley
Clippers: Conley for Powell and coffey (salary)


Scoot/Brogdton
Smart/White
Tatum/Powell
McDaniels/Grant
Timelord/Horford

Burks and Bojan was actually my initial version. But I decided I wanted beef stew.
I did look at LAC as a Brogdon landing point and decided meh on their guys. Powell fine I guess, but not super exciting tbh.

Also, you are officially dead to me for slandering Slomo.

[big-shot-ROB]

What is the point of adding a rookie PG to a contender? Serious question

[djFan71]

What is the point of adding a rookie PG to a contender? Serious question

It's a concern for sure and I'm not 100% sold on it by any means. In fact, I probably lean against it. But fun to explore the scenarios.

To me, the current team lacks anyone besides Tatum to consistently break down a defense. And even then, we don't take advantage of the mismatches he creates other than swinging for 3s. Which is great a lot of times. But, our guards just aren't able to punish mismatches that often.

Scoot can help you there, and is a more natural pnr partner for Tatum. There will be growing pains for sure. But, if you do it, you start him from day 1 and play the hell out of him to get thru them. Maybe you're a year or 2 out from full on title contention again. It's a huge risk. But, some rookies do come in and take the league by storm. You're hoping he'd be one.

The flip side is tinker at the edges and get to a few more ECFs maybe, but never get over the hump. If there's a clear JB + picks upgrade trade out there (Cave's steph one), absolutely do that. Or keep JB and add someone by going all in with picks. I just don't know if a lot of the other things I've seen or thought of are really clear upgrades that get you over the hump. Most are reshuffling/minor upgrades even if they look like splashy moves.

[BleedGreen1989]

Wonder if it makes sense for either side for a Jaylen Brown - Desmond Bane+ deal?

[big-shot-ROB]

What is the point of adding a rookie PG to a contender? Serious question

It's a concern for sure and I'm not 100% sold on it by any means. In fact, I probably lean against it. But fun to explore the scenarios.

To me, the current team lacks anyone besides Tatum to consistently break down a defense. And even then, we don't take advantage of the mismatches he creates other than swinging for 3s. Which is great a lot of times. But, our guards just aren't able to punish mismatches that often.

Scoot can help you there, and is a more natural pnr partner for Tatum. There will be growing pains for sure. But, if you do it, you start him from day 1 and play the hell out of him to get thru them. Maybe you're a year or 2 out from full on title contention again. It's a huge risk. But, some rookies do come in and take the league by storm. You're hoping he'd be one.

The flip side is tinker at the edges and get to a few more ECFs maybe, but never get over the hump. If there's a clear JB + picks upgrade trade out there (Cave's steph one), absolutely do that. Or keep JB and add someone by going all in with picks. I just don't know if a lot of the other things I've seen or thought of are really clear upgrades that get you over the hump. Most are reshuffling/minor upgrades even if they look like splashy moves.

If we need a rookie PG to break down defenses when we have Tatum, Brown and Brogdon then we might as well trade everyone.

I think the main reasons we do not break down defenses more often is our motion offense sucks. We do not generate any kind of advantage with our sets. No one is effortely running off screen, picks are set with little intention, passes are not sharp. We have an ISO centered offense but in reality most teams do it by putting defenses on their heels with their motions and sets.

It's completely day and night how much few movement our offense has compared to Den or Mia. We swing a couple or three passes 3 meters out of the 3pt line and then set a half assed screen.

It half worked last year when our defense compensated it (though it was really visible in the Finals and I remember being very vocal about it in the GTs), but this year our defense was bad again and we just couldn't keep up.

[chrisab123]

Wonder if it makes sense for either side for a Jaylen Brown - Desmond Bane+ deal?

If you're trading Jaylen a 4 and a guard/wing is needed in return. It would probably start with Jackson + Morant. Morant is honestly the type of guy Red would go after like DJ. Grizz then goes with a core of Brown and Bane and probably has pretty good odds to resign Brown since its closer to Atlanta.

[BK_2020]

Wonder if it makes sense for either side for a Jaylen Brown - Desmond Bane+ deal?

Is Steven Adams coming back to match salaries? I wouldn't mind some massive size in the middle.

[BleedGreen1989]

Wonder if it makes sense for either side for a Jaylen Brown - Desmond Bane+ deal?

Is Steven Adams coming back to match salaries? I wouldn't mind some massive size in the middle.

He'd have to for salary (and MEM would still need to add more salary).

[Larry_Russell]

Wonder if it makes sense for either side for a Jaylen Brown - Desmond Bane+ deal?

I was proposed one earlier


I think a deal could be made for bane and JJjr for Brown +

[BleedGreen1989]

Wonder if it makes sense for either side for a Jaylen Brown - Desmond Bane+ deal?

I was proposed one earlier


I think a deal could be made for bane and JJjr for Brown +

LOL C'mon man, Jaren is not coming back in that deal. Try and be realistic.

[djFan71]

What is the point of adding a rookie PG to a contender? Serious question

It's a concern for sure and I'm not 100% sold on it by any means. In fact, I probably lean against it. But fun to explore the scenarios.

To me, the current team lacks anyone besides Tatum to consistently break down a defense. And even then, we don't take advantage of the mismatches he creates other than swinging for 3s. Which is great a lot of times. But, our guards just aren't able to punish mismatches that often.

Scoot can help you there, and is a more natural pnr partner for Tatum. There will be growing pains for sure. But, if you do it, you start him from day 1 and play the hell out of him to get thru them. Maybe you're a year or 2 out from full on title contention again. It's a huge risk. But, some rookies do come in and take the league by storm. You're hoping he'd be one.

The flip side is tinker at the edges and get to a few more ECFs maybe, but never get over the hump. If there's a clear JB + picks upgrade trade out there (Cave's steph one), absolutely do that. Or keep JB and add someone by going all in with picks. I just don't know if a lot of the other things I've seen or thought of are really clear upgrades that get you over the hump. Most are reshuffling/minor upgrades even if they look like splashy moves.

If we need a rookie PG to break down defenses when we have Tatum, Brown and Brogdon then we might as well trade everyone.

I think the main reasons we do not break down defenses more often is our motion offense sucks. We do not generate any kind of advantage with our sets. No one is effortely running off screen, picks are set with little intention, passes are not sharp. We have an ISO centered offense but in reality most teams do it by putting defenses on their heels with their motions and sets.

It's completely day and night how much few movement our offense has compared to Den or Mia. We swing a couple or three passes 3 meters out of the 3pt line and then set a half assed screen.

It half worked last year when our defense compensated it (though it was really visible in the Finals and I remember being very vocal about it in the GTs), but this year our defense was bad again and we just couldn't keep up.

It's all about how elite you think said rookie PG can be. Like I said it's a pretty big risk, no doubt. I totally agree on your points on why the offense sucks. Zoyastable, Comedian Your Head and others like myself have been harping on this for years. If you're pitching trades to bring in guys that will make that happen, I'm all ears.

[Larry_Russell]

Wonder if it makes sense for either side for a Jaylen Brown - Desmond Bane+ deal?

I was proposed one earlier


I think a deal could be made for bane and JJjr for Brown +

LOL C'mon man, Jaren is not coming back in that deal. Try and be realistic.

I dont know what they want over there, not g9nna pretend they do.

Its certainly possible. The plausibility, idk

I know he won dpoy, but so did smart. If it was bane and smart for jaylen brown and timelord people here would jump all over that.

Maybe Bane, kennard and Adams.

But thats a big underpay for brown, imo. They would need to add 2 or 3 picks to even that out.

[165bows]

It's a concern for sure and I'm not 100% sold on it by any means. In fact, I probably lean against it. But fun to explore the scenarios.

To me, the current team lacks anyone besides Tatum to consistently break down a defense. And even then, we don't take advantage of the mismatches he creates other than swinging for 3s. Which is great a lot of times. But, our guards just aren't able to punish mismatches that often.

Scoot can help you there, and is a more natural pnr partner for Tatum. There will be growing pains for sure. But, if you do it, you start him from day 1 and play the hell out of him to get thru them. Maybe you're a year or 2 out from full on title contention again. It's a huge risk. But, some rookies do come in and take the league by storm. You're hoping he'd be one.

The flip side is tinker at the edges and get to a few more ECFs maybe, but never get over the hump. If there's a clear JB + picks upgrade trade out there (Cave's steph one), absolutely do that. Or keep JB and add someone by going all in with picks. I just don't know if a lot of the other things I've seen or thought of are really clear upgrades that get you over the hump. Most are reshuffling/minor upgrades even if they look like splashy moves.

If we need a rookie PG to break down defenses when we have Tatum, Brown and Brogdon then we might as well trade everyone.

I think the main reasons we do not break down defenses more often is our motion offense sucks. We do not generate any kind of advantage with our sets. No one is effortely running off screen, picks are set with little intention, passes are not sharp. We have an ISO centered offense but in reality most teams do it by putting defenses on their heels with their motions and sets.

It's completely day and night how much few movement our offense has compared to Den or Mia. We swing a couple or three passes 3 meters out of the 3pt line and then set a half assed screen.

It half worked last year when our defense compensated it (though it was really visible in the Finals and I remember being very vocal about it in the GTs), but this year our defense was bad again and we just couldn't keep up.

It's all about how elite you think said rookie PG can be. Like I said it's a pretty big risk, no doubt. I totally agree on your points on why the offense sucks. Zoyastable, Comedian Your Head and others like myself have been harping on this for years. If you're pitching trades to bring in guys that will make that happen, I'm all ears.

Big Cason Wallace fan, though he's not the break the defense down off the dribble guy.

Funny though Tatum would be great with a John Wall type. Big fast athletic defender who pushes the pace, attacks the rim. Tatum taking feeds from that sort of player would be lethal, no way teams are rotating and handling his size and speed on the move.

[big-shot-ROB]

If we need a rookie PG to break down defenses when we have Tatum, Brown and Brogdon then we might as well trade everyone.

I think the main reasons we do not break down defenses more often is our motion offense sucks. We do not generate any kind of advantage with our sets. No one is effortely running off screen, picks are set with little intention, passes are not sharp. We have an ISO centered offense but in reality most teams do it by putting defenses on their heels with their motions and sets.

It's completely day and night how much few movement our offense has compared to Den or Mia. We swing a couple or three passes 3 meters out of the 3pt line and then set a half assed screen.

It half worked last year when our defense compensated it (though it was really visible in the Finals and I remember being very vocal about it in the GTs), but this year our defense was bad again and we just couldn't keep up.

It's all about how elite you think said rookie PG can be. Like I said it's a pretty big risk, no doubt. I totally agree on your points on why the offense sucks. Zoyastable, Comedian Your Head and others like myself have been harping on this for years. If you're pitching trades to bring in guys that will make that happen, I'm all ears.

Big Cason Wallace fan, though he's not the break the defense down off the dribble guy.

Funny though Tatum would be great with a John Wall type. Big fast athletic defender who pushes the pace, attacks the rim. Tatum taking feeds from that sort of player would be lethal, no way teams are rotating and handling his size and speed on the move.

Someone mentioned WB in the thread and I don't think that would be that crazy of an idea, at least to give it a try during the first half of the season.

[big-shot-ROB]

It's a concern for sure and I'm not 100% sold on it by any means. In fact, I probably lean against it. But fun to explore the scenarios.

To me, the current team lacks anyone besides Tatum to consistently break down a defense. And even then, we don't take advantage of the mismatches he creates other than swinging for 3s. Which is great a lot of times. But, our guards just aren't able to punish mismatches that often.

Scoot can help you there, and is a more natural pnr partner for Tatum. There will be growing pains for sure. But, if you do it, you start him from day 1 and play the hell out of him to get thru them. Maybe you're a year or 2 out from full on title contention again. It's a huge risk. But, some rookies do come in and take the league by storm. You're hoping he'd be one.

The flip side is tinker at the edges and get to a few more ECFs maybe, but never get over the hump. If there's a clear JB + picks upgrade trade out there (Cave's steph one), absolutely do that. Or keep JB and add someone by going all in with picks. I just don't know if a lot of the other things I've seen or thought of are really clear upgrades that get you over the hump. Most are reshuffling/minor upgrades even if they look like splashy moves.

If we need a rookie PG to break down defenses when we have Tatum, Brown and Brogdon then we might as well trade everyone.

I think the main reasons we do not break down defenses more often is our motion offense sucks. We do not generate any kind of advantage with our sets. No one is effortely running off screen, picks are set with little intention, passes are not sharp. We have an ISO centered offense but in reality most teams do it by putting defenses on their heels with their motions and sets.

It's completely day and night how much few movement our offense has compared to Den or Mia. We swing a couple or three passes 3 meters out of the 3pt line and then set a half assed screen.

It half worked last year when our defense compensated it (though it was really visible in the Finals and I remember being very vocal about it in the GTs), but this year our defense was bad again and we just couldn't keep up.

It's all about how elite you think said rookie PG can be. Like I said it's a pretty big risk, no doubt. I totally agree on your points on why the offense sucks. Zoyastable, Comedian Your Head and others like myself have been harping on this for years. If you're pitching trades to bring in guys that will make that happen, I'm all ears.

Yeah, I guess I'm not that big of a beliver in Scoot. Both his shooting and defense look suspect, at least suspect enough for team like Boston trying to contend.

[Larry_Russell]

What is the point of adding a rookie PG to a contender? Serious question

It's a concern for sure and I'm not 100% sold on it by any means. In fact, I probably lean against it. But fun to explore the scenarios.

To me, the current team lacks anyone besides Tatum to consistently break down a defense. And even then, we don't take advantage of the mismatches he creates other than swinging for 3s. Which is great a lot of times. But, our guards just aren't able to punish mismatches that often.

Scoot can help you there, and is a more natural pnr partner for Tatum. There will be growing pains for sure. But, if you do it, you start him from day 1 and play the hell out of him to get thru them. Maybe you're a year or 2 out from full on title contention again. It's a huge risk. But, some rookies do come in and take the league by storm. You're hoping he'd be one.

The flip side is tinker at the edges and get to a few more ECFs maybe, but never get over the hump. If there's a clear JB + picks upgrade trade out there (Cave's steph one), absolutely do that. Or keep JB and add someone by going all in with picks. I just don't know if a lot of the other things I've seen or thought of are really clear upgrades that get you over the hump. Most are reshuffling/minor upgrades even if they look like splashy moves.

Celtics have too manh secondary creators.

Tatum is ok at breaking down defenses,

Smart is hindered by poor shooting and gets left alone offensively by opposing team. (Love smart but he cannot be closing games out offensively)

Brogdon is good but not great.

White isnt

Brown is bad


We have no way to get a guy that can expose a defense and force it to shift, that i can see, without taking a bit of a risk.

[Larry_Russell]

Brown for simons and 3 and 23

#3, pritchard to detroit for #5 and stewart

Simons for norman powell

Draft Walker at 5
Daft Kris Murray at 23

Smart/brogdon/davidson
Powell/white/begarin
Tatum/Murray/hauser
Walker/horford/Gallinari
Timelord/stewart/muscala

Still have grant s&t and kornet to move for more depth.

Who says no?

[chrisab123]

Brown for simons and 3 and 23

#3, pritchard to detroit for #5 and stewart

Simons for norman powell

Draft Walker at 5
Daft Kris Murray at 23

Smart/brogdon/davidson
Powell/white/begarin
Tatum/Murray/hauser
Walker/horford/Gallinari
Timelord/stewart/muscala

Still have grant s&t and kornet to move for more depth.

Who says no?

Thats not a contender. Thats hedging your bets for Tatum leaving. Under no circumstances should the Celtics keep #3 with that trade. If you trade Brown another star needs to be coming back with him.

Maybe its also time to revisit a deal for Beal where the team moves Smart and White/Brogdon plus picks. Add him and then try to add more toughness off the bench. They need end of the bench guys who are goons