Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25

Red2 · Post #1901 » by **Red2** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:30 pm

I hope we re-sign Tillman. Isaac Okoro is out there but probably too expensive for us. Justin Holiday is an option at 2/3 position. What about kris dunn as a big, defensive guard?

ConstableGeneva · Post #1902 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:31 pm

I always come back to Brad not wasting assets for expirings. So when they traded for Tillman, they probably had every intention of bringing him back (esp with his age). Just need to find that sweet spot in salary offer. Like I said earlier, I'd be willing to give him a longer deal if we can keep the AAV on the low end.

EDIT: The thing to consider with Tillman too -- is he being seen as the poor man's replacement for Horford? Can they see further improvement in his game? Will Horford even retire after next season?

Dogen · Post #1903 » by **Dogen** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:32 pm

I'm thinking the team is working on a deal with Tillman that is Celtics friendly to start but gives him some better options later. Hard to say what is going on, maybe waiting for some other chips to fall now.

The scenario that I don't want to see is X to NYC. But if they have the money, honey, he's got the time. Looks like in current market he's worth more than Celtics can pay.

hugepatsfan · Post #1904 » by **hugepatsfan** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:33 pm

Hal14 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:Center depth charts around the NBA:

ATL - Okongwo/Capela
BRK - Claxton/Sharpe (Clowney can also play here)
CHA - $Mark Williams/Nik Richards
CHI - Vucevic/Jalen Smith
CLE - Allen and then technically no backup but Mobley plays here too besides starting at PF
DAL - Gafford/Lively/Powell (Kleber plays here too)
DEN - Jokic/Nnaji/DeAndre Jordan/1st rounder Holmes
DET - Jalen Duren/Beef Stew (would hope for their sake Beef Stew at PF is done)
GSW - Looney/Trayce Jackson-Davis (Draymond plays here too)
HOU - Sengun/Adams/Landale
IND - Turner/Isaiah Jackson (Toppin plays here too)
LAC - Zubac then no backup
LAL - Ant/Wood/Hayes
MEM - Edey only pure 5 but JJJ and Aldima play here as well
MIA - Bam/1st rounder Ware/Love/Orlando Robinson
MIL - Lopez/Portis
MIN - Gobert/Reid (KAT plays here too)
NOP - only the rookie Missi
NYK - Mitch Robinson/Jericho Sims (Randle plays here too)
OKC - Chet/Hartenstein/Jaylin Williams (not the good Williams lol)
ORL - WCJ and no backup (Isaac plays here some and they have rights on Wagner though)
PHI - Embiid/Drummond/B-Ball Paul
PHX - Nurkic/Plumlee (Bol plays here too)
POR - Ayton/Clingan/Timelord/Duop Reath
SAC - Sabonis/Len (Lyles plays here too)
SAS - Collins/Bassey (Wemby plays here too)
TOR - Poeltl/Olynyk (Boucher plays here too)
UTA - Kessler/Eubanks (Collins plays here too)
WAS - JVal/Holmes/Bagley (Sarr could play here too)

How many of those teams could offer Tillman a bigger role than here?

How many of those teams have exceptions or cap space to offer more than the minimum?

How many of those teams does he makes sense for (i.e. would they prefer his play style to a stretch big like Saric or someone else available)?

How many of those teams check all those boxes for Tillman but just prefer to sign someone at another spot or even a different but similar big man?

Skimming that last real quick..the team that jumps off the page is the Pelicans. They're a team that just added Dejounte so they are trying to win and get to the playoffs.

If all they have at C is a raw 20 yr old rookie, that's trouble with a capital T.

Wouldn't shock me if we see a woj bomb that says Tillman is signing there on a multi year deal..his age fits their timeline too..

That makes some sense. BUT, to play Devil's advocate, they've always been desperate for spacing at the C spot because they have to play next to Zion. X would help on defense though. Also, they're at about $4.4M below the luxury tax with 11 players signed once they sign their pick. Rumors about an Ingram trade. If that team stays under the tax, depending on what comes back in Ingram trade, they might prefer vet min deals. And the Ingram trade could return a center. Rumors say they want Brook Lopez from MIL.

In the end, they might only end up having the minimum to offer and the chance to compete with a 1st round pick that they'd probably rather play. So maybe they don't do a multi year deal. And would that be better than a minimum here to play on a team that he fits better on than having to pair with Zion?

brackdan70 · Post #1905 » by **brackdan70** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:37 pm

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Celts17Pride · Post #1906 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:38 pm

I'll be surprised if Tillman is back at this point. It would have been done by now. Celtics are not going to offer anyone more than $3 million to be their 4th/5th big man in my opinion.

Especially when that have to pay Tatum, DWhite and Hauser.

brackdan70 · Post #1907 » by **brackdan70** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:41 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:I'll be surprised if Tillman is back at this point. It would have been done by now. Celtics are not going to offer anyone more than $3 million to be their 4th/5th big man in my opinion.

He would be 3rd big No? I have him above Kornet and Queta.

brackdan70 · Post #1908 » by **brackdan70** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:43 pm

If you were Brad, how much would you pay Tillman.
I’d be fine a 4/32 type of deal, basically Pritchard money. A bit above the taxpayer MLE.
Who would offer more? The Knicks can’t.

Hal14 · Post #1909 » by **Hal14** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:43 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:I'll be surprised if Tillman is back at this point. It would have been done by now. Celtics are not going to offer anyone more than $3 million to be their 4th/5th big man in my opinion.

He would be 3rd big No? I have him above Kornet and Queta.

Yeah, he could be the 3rd big. Minnesota is paying what, like $12 mil a year for their 3rd big, Naz Reid...

And they have 2 guys on a supermax deal (Gobert, Towns) and soon it'll be a 3rd guy on supermax, Edwards..

Celts17Pride · Post #1910 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:44 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:I'll be surprised if Tillman is back at this point. It would have been done by now. Celtics are not going to offer anyone more than $3 million to be their 4th/5th big man in my opinion.

He would be 3rd big No? I have him above Kornet and Queta.

The point is the Celtics already have Porzingis, Horford, Tatum, Kornet, Queta and Watson. They are just looking for someone that breathes. Not going to pay more than $3 million for that. Just not good money management.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1911 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:44 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:I'll be surprised if Tillman is back at this point. It would have been done by now. Celtics are not going to offer anyone more than $3 million to be their 4th/5th big man in my opinion.

Especially when that have to pay Tatum, DWhite and Hauser.

Why? It's only the 2nd day. And Cs still have 3 open roster spots.

Most likely, there's a standing offer and they told Tillman, "it's cool if you try to find the bag elsewhere. Come back to us if you can't." Meanwhile, Cs also looking at backup options and talking to other agents.

Nothing would surprise me. Anything is possible. WE DID IT!!!!

EDIT: Anyway, Tillman is more 4 than 5. He can play alongside any of our other bigs esp if they start working on his 3-ball.

Celts17Pride · Post #1912 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:45 pm

brackdan70 wrote:If you were Brad, how much would you pay Tillman.
I’d be fine a 4/32 type of deal, basically Pritchard money. A bit above the taxpayer MLE.
Who would offer more? The Knicks can’t.

Celtics will never offer that with Tatum, Hauser and DWhite up next.

Celts17Pride · Post #1913 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:46 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:I'll be surprised if Tillman is back at this point. It would have been done by now. Celtics are not going to offer anyone more than $3 million to be their 4th/5th big man in my opinion.

Especially when that have to pay Tatum, DWhite and Hauser.

Why? It's only the 2nd day. And Cs still have 3 open roster spots.

Most likely, there's a standing offer and they told Tillman, "it's cool if you try to find the bag elsewhere. Come back to us if you can't." Meanwhile, Cs also looking at backup options and talking to other agents.

Nothing would surprise me. Anything is possible. WE DID IT!!!!

We are saying the same thing. If Tillman takes the $2-3 million the Celtics are offering then he will be back, if not then he is gone.

Gant · Post #1914 » by **Gant** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:47 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Gant wrote:
Hal14 wrote:At this point, I'm thinking we try and get a team friendly deal worked out with Tillman. If not, we pivot to Theis for the min as a backup plan.

The FA signings are happening fast and furiously. Tillman and Theis are 2 of the only guys still available.. (besides just random guys who nobody really wants..)

There's Tillman and Theis. Also Wiseman, Bitadze, Precious, Saric, Bamba, and others. Some may not be realistic for Boston, but they'll take spots with other teams leaving someone available.

I think my Wiseman dream is dead with the C’s bringing back both the true 7 footers. A 3/4 hybrid is the most likely scenario at this point. Slo Mo would be nice but he’s gotta be worth more than the minimum one would think

I'm intrigued by Wiseman too. But you're right, there's no incentive for him in Boston now. He needs floor time. As you say, a 4ish guy more likely.

Celts17Pride · Post #1915 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:48 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:I'll be surprised if Tillman is back at this point. It would have been done by now. Celtics are not going to offer anyone more than $3 million to be their 4th/5th big man in my opinion.

Especially when that have to pay Tatum, DWhite and Hauser.

Why? It's only the 2nd day. And Cs still have 3 open roster spots.

Most likely, there's a standing offer and they told Tillman, "it's cool if you try to find the bag elsewhere. Come back to us if you can't." Meanwhile, Cs also looking at backup options and talking to other agents.

Nothing would surprise me. Anything is possible. WE DID IT!!!!

EDIT: Anyway, Tillman is more 4 than 5. He can play alongside any of our other bigs esp if they start working on his 3-ball.

Celtics have 2 roster spots assuming one goes to Scheierman

ConstableGeneva · Post #1916 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:48 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:I'll be surprised if Tillman is back at this point. It would have been done by now. Celtics are not going to offer anyone more than $3 million to be their 4th/5th big man in my opinion.

Especially when that have to pay Tatum, DWhite and Hauser.

Why? It's only the 2nd day. And Cs still have 3 open roster spots.

Most likely, there's a standing offer and they told Tillman, "it's cool if you try to find the bag elsewhere. Come back to us if you can't." Meanwhile, Cs also looking at backup options and talking to other agents.

Nothing would surprise me. Anything is possible. WE DID IT!!!!

We are saying the same thing. If Tillman takes the $2-3 million the Celtics are offering then he will be back, if not then he is gone.

Whatever it takes. However long it takes. Bring back EVERYONE!

Celts17Pride · Post #1917 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:49 pm

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ConstableGeneva · Post #1919 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:50 pm

With 4 pages left, no amount of spamming will help me catch up to Celts17Pride for the WoS top spot. I concede lol.

brackdan70 · Post #1920 » by **brackdan70** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:52 pm

IDK, if I’m Tillman I’d like the Playing time options here. And If I am the Cs, I wouldn’t be afraid of getting him locked in at the 5 to 6 million range.
If both those are true, then he has a good chance of coming back. Another team could offer more money for sure.