2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg

[return2glory]

Again, I doubt he falls to us at 28 but if Fleming is there, you run to the podium and take him.

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Interested to see if we bring him in for a workout..or if we bring any big in lol (Markovic, Raynaud, Broome, etc.)

I agree on Fleming from what I've seen about him. He has an NBA body and would be a good 2 way player. I wouldn't be surprised to see him climb up the draft board and be taken as early as 14 or 15. Mostly likely he will be taken between 18-24. Hoping he is there at 28.

Broom is so underrated in the draft boards because of his lack of athleticism. He has size and is a really good rebounder and post player. He also has been working on his 3 point shot. If he keep our pick at 32, we should consider him if he is still available at 32.

[winsomme2]

Are we sleeping on Adou Thiero?

Could he be OG Anunoby?

He has more skill and coordination than Jordan Walsh to my eye with similar length and defensive upside. Having a hard time seeing what his level will be on offense.

[winsomme2]

current binkie big board for #28 of players I think could drop and leaving off many who I just don't think will drop:

Rasheer Flemming
Jase Richardson
Wayne Clayton Jr
Danny Wolf
Maxime Raynaud

If we end up with any of these guys I would be super pleased.

[Gant]

Mock drafts are fun.

Kevin O'Connor on Yahoo, has Cedric Coward at #9. Tankathon has Cedric Coward at #36.

[ThePigeon]

I don't think we will draft at 28
I think we are trading down or out (next year). With all the withdrawals I think next year's draft will be much deeper

[165bows]

Mock drafts are fun.

Kevin O'Connor on Yahoo, has Cedric Coward at #9. Tankathon has Cedric Coward at #36.

Rookie scale has a consensus mock that’s a good compilation of most of the mocks out there.

I think they had Coward at 31 but he’s prob moved up since then.

[redslastlaugh]

Generally speaking, I don't mind trading down as a strategy. 2023 draft night trade downs, Brad walked away with 4 future picks and Jordan Walsh. I thought that was great business...
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If we aren't picking #28 and #32 and trading them for other purposes, I would understand it but it'd be a little depressing. What is to be gained from adding 4 future 2nds at this point? With tatum out for the year and a $275 million tax bill and no rotation players under 25 yrs... this is the year to add some rookies imo

Agreed on your overall point about how we'll need to start hitting on draft picks. I do think the 4 future 2nds though are more of a gain this year in particular. It seems like to a huge degree this year and, pending how that goes, potentially next year as well that we'll be making a lot of salary dump deals and it's EXTREMELY inconvenient if we have to use future 1sts for that because it really hurts your trading power once you start dealing with that (we already see it somewhat with the 2029 pick trade limiting us from being able to send out 3 future 1sts in 26/28/30 to the point we can only send out 2).

If they can turn one pick this year to 4 future 2nds then that will help facilitate some of those deals. Like all the Jrue/Porzingis deals we talk about probably end up with marginal savings in the trade itself but breaking them down into smaller contracts that are left on our books that those future 2nds can be used to dump. That's probably the more realistic path to us getting out of this sticky salary situation the next 1-2 years so we can go full force when Tatum is all the way back.

yea, that's a good point, we could definitely see some Drew Eubanks coming back in some of these trades and having the extra seconds are going be needed to move them into the emptiness, I see that.

This draft in particular, because so many draftable players withdrew for the $NIL, seems like the pool of players 45-undrafted is going to be particularly weak but the 28-32 area might still be pretty good. You look at that 25-40 draft area and Celts recent history and lots of impact Celtics and Celtic-killers came out of that area: Derrick White, robwill, Payton for us... Brunson, Hart, Mitch Robinson, Looney, Jordan Poole for the other guys... so I'd really like the front office to start taking some swings.... not burn picks to undo financial quagmires... but it is what it is, i guess

[Kalela]

Vladislav Goldin is already 24, but I like his game. I wouldn’t want to spend a draft pick on him, but it would be great if we could pick him up as an undrafted free agent.

Are there any guys that we can draft or aquire through trades that can develop to become what Rob Williams looked like. I miss that dude a lot. Timelord was the man

There’s no one in this draft who matches Timelord’s combination of athleticism, passing skills, and a 7'6" wingspan. Thomas Sorber might have similar measurements, but athletically, he’s not even close to being on the same level as Robert Williams. Joan Beringer is similar both in measurements and athleticism, but he is raw as hell. I wouldn't mind him at all but I am not sure he is worth trading up for.

[Hal14]

Are we sleeping on Adou Thiero?

Could he be OG Anunoby?

He has more skill and coordination than Jordan Walsh to my eye with similar length and defensive upside. Having a hard time seeing what his level will be on offense.

One can shoot, one can't..

[Hal14]

Vladislav Goldin is already 24, but I like his game. I wouldn’t want to spend a draft pick on him, but it would be great if we could pick him up as an undrafted free agent.

Kind of in a similar vein (a big who's old, wouldn't use draft capital on him but think he could be a nice UDFA target who could possibly end up being a decent backup big)

Norchad Omier

Omier is tough as nails, strong as hell. Has some shooting potential. Rebounds the crap out of the ball. Pretty good defender. Has some moves with the ball to carve out space, can post up or face up, has some touch around the rim.

He's only 6'7" in shoes. But he's built like a tank, 245 lbs..6'11.5" wingspan. Plays bigger - with his weight, strength and rebounding ability.

A guard/wing in the draft and then a big as an UDFA could be a path we take (probably trading the other pick)..

[return2glory]

Are we sleeping on Adou Thiero?

Could he be OG Anunoby?

He has more skill and coordination than Jordan Walsh to my eye with similar length and defensive upside. Having a hard time seeing what his level will be on offense.

I was just thinking that the other day when watching more film on him. He reminds me a lot of OG.

I'm hoping we keep our 28th and 32 picks. I want one SF and one PF/C.

As of right now, for SF I want Adou or Peavy. I think Fleming will be long gone before 28. Peavy scares me a little in that he only had 1 good year in college out 5 seasons played. Adou needs to improve his 3 point shooting.

For PF or C I want one of Ryan Kalkbrenner, Hunger like the Wolf, Johni Broome or Maxime Raynaud.

I would even take 2 bigs like Broome and Raynaud or Broome and Kalkbrenner if the Boston scouts don't like Adou.

[ThePigeon]

After seeing too many highlight films of various bigs - give me Broome
I want the inside presence, the toughness, strength, rebounding and blocking. **** the 3 ball. Play inside

Also, this guy Carter Bryant is rising like a balloon full of helium. Has all the physical tools, but does he know how to play?
Can fill the big athletic wing we are searching for

[165bows]

Vladislav Goldin is already 24, but I like his game. I wouldn’t want to spend a draft pick on him, but it would be great if we could pick him up as an undrafted free agent.

Kind of in a similar vein (a big who's old, wouldn't use draft capital on him but think he could be a nice UDFA target who could possibly end up being a decent backup big)

Norchad Omier

Omier is tough as nails, strong as hell. Has some shooting potential. Rebounds the crap out of the ball. Pretty good defender. Has some moves with the ball to carve out space, can post up or face up, has some touch around the rim.

He's only 6'7" in shoes. But he's built like a tank, 245 lbs..6'11.5" wingspan. Plays bigger - with his weight, strength and rebounding ability.

A guard/wing in the draft and then a big as an UDFA could be a path we take (probably trading the other pick)..

Ha I forgot all about that guy.

I was leaning towards Lahkin or Dylan Cardwell as the udfa type big. I’m curious to compare with him I totally lost track of that guy.

[return2glory]

I don't think we will draft at 28
I think we are trading down or out (next year). With all the withdrawals I think next year's draft will be much deeper

There is a decent chance we don't keep 28. I'm hoping we do if Maxime Raynaud or Ryan Kalkbrenner are there.
If we keep 28 and 32 and take one of Ryan Kalkbrenner/Maxime Raynaud at 28 and Broome at 32, I think that will be a strong draft.

[phincsfan]

If they move out of the 1st and pick up another 2nd they also have to consider what player wants to sign a 2way. Flipowski signed a 9mil guaranteed deal right away where as Anton was on a 2way. Anton was a pick in the 50’s but a guy like Shead signed a multi year deal and he was in the 40’s.

Those picks in the 30’s are looking for a contract rather than a 2way IMO. That will go against the cap also.

[brackdan70]

If they move out of the 1st and pick up another 2nd they also have to consider what player wants to sign a 2way. Flipowski signed a 9mil guaranteed deal right away where as Anton was on a 2way. Anton was a pick in the 50’s but a guy like Shead signed a multi year deal and he was in the 40’s.

Those picks in the 30’s are looking for a contract rather than a 2way IMO. That will go against the cap also.

Yeah but we have to fill 14 roster spots. A 2nd rounder on a rookie minimum is as cheap as it comes.

[redslastlaugh]

If they move out of the 1st and pick up another 2nd they also have to consider what player wants to sign a 2way. Flipowski signed a 9mil guaranteed deal right away where as Anton was on a 2way. Anton was a pick in the 50’s but a guy like Shead signed a multi year deal and he was in the 40’s.

Those picks in the 30’s are looking for a contract rather than a 2way IMO. That will go against the cap also.

Yeah but we have to fill 14 roster spots. A 2nd rounder on a rookie minimum is as cheap as it comes.

Plus, I think we should have our 2nd round pick on the roster every year. Hitting on a roster player you took in the 2nd round is too valuable an opportunity to pass up. Worst case you have dead weight in the 2nd year... best case, you get Austin Reaves on a four yr min rookie deal. Why even mess with 2-ways? Sign your second rnd pick to a 4yr (TO's on yr 3 & 4) contract and send him to the G like we did with Jordan Walsh, just do it every year.

[brackdan70]

If they move out of the 1st and pick up another 2nd they also have to consider what player wants to sign a 2way. Flipowski signed a 9mil guaranteed deal right away where as Anton was on a 2way. Anton was a pick in the 50’s but a guy like Shead signed a multi year deal and he was in the 40’s.

Those picks in the 30’s are looking for a contract rather than a 2way IMO. That will go against the cap also.

Yeah but we have to fill 14 roster spots. A 2nd rounder on a rookie minimum is as cheap as it comes.

Plus, I think we should have our 2nd round pick on the roster every year. Hitting on a roster player you took in the 2nd round is too valuable an opportunity to pass up. Worst case you have dead weight in the 2nd year... best case, you get Austin Reaves on a four yr min rookie deal. Why even mess with 2-ways? Sign your second rnd pick to a 4yr (TO's on yr 3 & 4) contract and send him to the G like we did with Jordan Walsh, just do it every year.

I agree especially with those guys in the 30s and 40s. Consider a 2 way if you have a full roster.
2 ways are great for those UDFA types.

[Hal14]

Vladislav Goldin is already 24, but I like his game. I wouldn’t want to spend a draft pick on him, but it would be great if we could pick him up as an undrafted free agent.

Kind of in a similar vein (a big who's old, wouldn't use draft capital on him but think he could be a nice UDFA target who could possibly end up being a decent backup big)

Norchad Omier

Omier is tough as nails, strong as hell. Has some shooting potential. Rebounds the crap out of the ball. Pretty good defender. Has some moves with the ball to carve out space, can post up or face up, has some touch around the rim.

He's only 6'7" in shoes. But he's built like a tank, 245 lbs..6'11.5" wingspan. Plays bigger - with his weight, strength and rebounding ability.

A guard/wing in the draft and then a big as an UDFA could be a path we take (probably trading the other pick)..

Ha I forgot all about that guy.

I was leaning towards Lahkin or Dylan Cardwell as the udfa type big. I’m curious to compare with him I totally lost track of that guy.

Cardwell might just be a nice guy to take a look at in Summer League.

Lahkin got hurt..think he's out for awhile. Tough break for him. Think he'll just take his time with rehab/recovery and then try to play somewhere in G league or overseas and try to work his way onto an NBA roster eventually from there.

I was starting to warm up to him as an UDFA/summer league type of guy.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Vladislav Goldin is already 24, but I like his game. I wouldn’t want to spend a draft pick on him, but it would be great if we could pick him up as an undrafted free agent.

Are there any guys that we can draft or aquire through trades that can develop to become what Rob Williams looked like. I miss that dude a lot. Timelord was the man

There’s no one in this draft who matches Timelord’s combination of athleticism, passing skills, and a 7'6" wingspan. Thomas Sorber might have similar measurements, but athletically, he’s not even close to being on the same level as Robert Williams. Joan Beringer is similar both in measurements and athleticism, but he is raw as hell. I wouldn't mind him at all but I am not sure he is worth trading up for.

So was Robert Williams coming out. Let's not forget it took him a couple years to figure out where to stand on an NBA court. You don't get that kind of athlete this late in the first round without some major red flags elsewhere. In Beringer's case he has only played basketball for three/four years which at least partly explains his rawness. I'd rather that be his red flag than attitude/injury issues.