The (Quadruple) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 4.0)

[CeltsfaninDC]

And finally, trading IT would all but ruin Danny's reputation...he would be known as a snake and NONBODY would come to Boston. nobody.

Wow, just wow. I didn't realize Ainge signed IT to a FA deal. Oh wait, he did not. That is the only way you get the reputation you speak of. You are so far of base here it's somewhat comical. IMO you're just like everyone else, caught up in the moment. The C's want to win championships, not send players to All-Star games. IT gets to AS games, but won't bring this team #18. His on/off stats say a lot.

IT deserves a max contract. I'd rather have IT over Drummond 7 times a week and twice on Sunday

Hence, why I'm glad you're not the GM of the Boston Celtics. Danny Ainge, IMO, does not agree with you. Time will prove all this out. I hope my opinion is wrong and we hoist up banner #18 this year.

Ok, wait a minute...... You think Andre Drummond is the one key to the Cs winning the title this year (while getting rid of IT and Jae)? If he's such an amazing player then why are the Pistons trying to trade him? Its not like he's Shaq. This is Andre freakin Drummond we're talking about - you know, the guy who shoots FTs worse than Dennis Rodman. and you're calling out ddb as someone who doesn't know what he is talking about? This is a joke, right?

[SparringPartner]

Also, why would DET take on an injured Rudy Gay?

To rid themselves of the mistake that is Reggie Jackson...

[ddb]

And finally, trading IT would all but ruin Danny's reputation...he would be known as a snake and NONBODY would come to Boston. nobody.

Wow, just wow. I didn't realize Ainge signed IT to a FA deal. Oh wait, he did not. That is the only way you get the reputation you speak of. You are so far of base here it's somewhat comical. IMO you're just like everyone else, caught up in the moment. The C's want to win championships, not send players to All-Star games. IT gets to AS games, but won't bring this team #18. His on/off stats say a lot.

IT deserves a max contract. I'd rather have IT over Drummond 7 times a week and twice on Sunday

Hence, why I'm glad you're not the GM of the Boston Celtics. Danny Ainge, IMO, does not agree with you. Time will prove all this out. I hope my opinion is wrong and we hoist up banner #18 this year.

and vice versa my man...vice versa.
IT will have his number hanging in the Garden Rafters one day. Mark my words. And he will help the Celtics win a Championship. Maybe not as the best player on the team, but he will e crucial to a Championship team. People still sleeping on IT. It's hilarious. This is what drives him, so keep it going I guess

[ddb]

And finally, trading IT would all but ruin Danny's reputation...he would be known as a snake and NONBODY would come to Boston. nobody.

Wow, just wow. I didn't realize Ainge signed IT to a FA deal. Oh wait, he did not. That is the only way you get the reputation you speak of. You are so far of base here it's somewhat comical. IMO you're just like everyone else, caught up in the moment. The C's want to win championships, not send players to All-Star games. IT gets to AS games, but won't bring this team #18. His on/off stats say a lot.

IT deserves a max contract. I'd rather have IT over Drummond 7 times a week and twice on Sunday

Hence, why I'm glad you're not the GM of the Boston Celtics. Danny Ainge, IMO, does not agree with you. Time will prove all this out. I hope my opinion is wrong and we hoist up banner #18 this year.

Ok, wait a minute...... You think Andre Drummond is the one key to the Cs winning the title this year (while getting rid of IT and Jae)? If he's such an amazing player then why are the Pistons trying to trade him? Its not like he's Shaq. This is Andre freakin Drummond we're talking about - you know, the guy who shoots FTs worse than Dennis Rodman. and you're calling out ddb as someone who doesn't know what he is talking about? This is a joke, right?

Thanks for the support here. Man, I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Unbelievable.

[ddb]

I honestly can't tell if you were serious about that trade or not. If it was for AD then maybe, but Drummond? SMH

Right, because Drummond doesn't "FIT" in the "new" NBA. Great point, do you even know what that means?

Stevens would make Drummond a god. Andre plays both side of the court and he's 23. Oh yeah, he's locked up for 4 more years.

Wait a minute....Are you Andre Drummond? You must be! Bro, we could get you without giving up IT & JAe or anyone from the core. but unfortunately for you, I still don't think Danny Ainge would part ways with the BK's for you. I'm sorry. You are a very good player, but not exactly a good fit in what the Celtics are building, which is a team that has crafty guards, strong perimeter defense, bigs that can space the floor, and a roster filled with players willing to run through walls for each other. Maybe you're one of those guys, but your fit here is questionable.
It is very likely that Danny is significantly more interested in other star players. Also, are you even a star? You're like Dwight Howard all over again accept not as good as prime Howard.

[Stadium5]

Butler not worth one Brooklyn pick and filler? Hilarious.

Jaylen could easily turn out to be a Jimmy Butler, he's like 7 years younger than him.

The BKN 17 and 18 picks have superstar potential. Jimmy Butler isn't propelling us to championships. I don't understand what some of you guys see sometimes

Nothing easy about that. I love that people here look at guys like Cousins George Butler as guys who can be had for expiring deals and non Brooklyn picks because 2K17 allows you to do so. Look Brown is coming along but to say that he's easily going to be as good as one of the best players in the league is ridiculous.

Jimmy Butler would move the needle in a big way. If you don't see that I'm not sure what else to say here...

Also that BRK 18 pick value goes away real quick if Brooklyn is able to make some deals and sign some free agents to get them out of the hell that is the bottom 5 in the league.

Jaylen Brown being an exceptional athlete and top 3 pick shows where he lies among his peers. He has glimpses of scoring ability and he's not even old enough to legally drink yet. Jimmy Butler at Jaylen's age was nothing to write home about, there's no reason to think that Jaylen can't see the kind of improvement that Butler has shown the past 4 years. You act as if Butler is some transcendent talent. He's a great player but he's no superstar or unique talent like a Giannis or Porzingis. The BKN 17 and 18 picks could end up landing us special rare talents that would otherwise cost us a boatload of assets to out right trade for.

I'm really not worried about Brooklyn improving significantly within the next year. They have a grim future right now and thats not something that is likely to attract worthy free agents.

[Marvel]

I honestly can't tell if you were serious about that trade or not. If it was for AD then maybe, but Drummond? SMH

Right, because Drummond doesn't "FIT" in the "new" NBA. Great point.

Stevens would make Drummond a god. Andre plays both side of the court and he's 23. Oh yeah, he's locked up for 4 more years.

Fun fact:

When Drummond is off the court his team both rebounds, and defends better overall.

Another fun fact:

Drummond was 7th among Centers in DWS last season. That's better than Bogut(Warriors), AD, Marc Gasol, TT.

Also, Detroit rebounded worse in his 2nd, 3rd and fourth seasons as a starter and defended better with him on court last season. FWIW, KCP, their best perimeter defender also has a negative on court/off court defensive rating this season. Something isn't right in Detroit this season and it's not just Drummond.

[Stadium5]

And finally, trading IT would all but ruin Danny's reputation...he would be known as a snake and NONBODY would come to Boston. nobody.

Wow, just wow. I didn't realize Ainge signed IT to a FA deal. Oh wait, he did not. That is the only way you get the reputation you speak of. You are so far of base here it's somewhat comical. IMO you're just like everyone else, caught up in the moment. The C's want to win championships, not send players to All-Star games. IT gets to AS games, but won't bring this team #18. His on/off stats say a lot.

IT deserves a max contract. I'd rather have IT over Drummond 7 times a week and twice on Sunday

Hence, why I'm glad you're not the GM of the Boston Celtics. Danny Ainge, IMO, does not agree with you. Time will prove all this out. I hope my opinion is wrong and we hoist up banner #18 this year.

Ok, wait a minute...... You think Andre Drummond is the one key to the Cs winning the title this year (while getting rid of IT and Jae)? If he's such an amazing player then why are the Pistons trying to trade him? Its not like he's Shaq. This is Andre freakin Drummond we're talking about - you know, the guy who shoots FTs worse than Dennis Rodman. and you're calling out ddb as someone who doesn't know what he is talking about? This is a joke, right?

There's fewer Drummond's out there than there are Isiah Thomas'

DDB seems to have a pretty good grasp on basketball in general but to say 28 year old, 5'9'' Isaiah Thomas who plays on a guard heavy team, with a top 4 pick in a guard heavy draft, deserves a max contract from us, sure doesn't make him an unbiased basketball genius

[john1c]

Would you, Could you...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gtcsz97



Boston probably needs to send a BRK pick, how bout 2018!

Starting 5's for;

Celtics - Smart, Bradley, Brown, Horford, Drummond

Pistons - Thomas, KCP, Crowder, Harris, Baynes

I think we should try to include Brown and the BKN17 pick as well-- don't think Detroit is getting enough value.

its still a little light.... how about also including 2 or 3 more picks and Jimmy Garapolo. The Lions need a QB, right?

EW. what a terrible trade.. i would dump horford for drummond in a heartbeat.. but absolutely no way in hell i get rid of IT.. I am wayyyy too in love with that guy right now.

[OFWGKTA]

Wow, just wow. I didn't realize Ainge signed IT to a FA deal. Oh wait, he did not. That is the only way you get the reputation you speak of. You are so far of base here it's somewhat comical. IMO you're just like everyone else, caught up in the moment. The C's want to win championships, not send players to All-Star games. IT gets to AS games, but won't bring this team #18. His on/off stats say a lot.



Hence, why I'm glad you're not the GM of the Boston Celtics. Danny Ainge, IMO, does not agree with you. Time will prove all this out. I hope my opinion is wrong and we hoist up banner #18 this year.

Ok, wait a minute...... You think Andre Drummond is the one key to the Cs winning the title this year (while getting rid of IT and Jae)? If he's such an amazing player then why are the Pistons trying to trade him? Its not like he's Shaq. This is Andre freakin Drummond we're talking about - you know, the guy who shoots FTs worse than Dennis Rodman. and you're calling out ddb as someone who doesn't know what he is talking about? This is a joke, right?

There's fewer Drummond's out there than there are Isiah Thomas'

DDB seems to have a pretty good grasp on basketball in general but to say 28 year old, 5'9'' Isaiah Thomas who plays on a guard heavy team, with a top 4 pick in a guard heavy draft, deserves a max contract from us, sure doesn't make him an unbiased basketball genius

Only two other players in NBA history have had a season scoring as much as Isaiah and as efficiently, and they both play on Golden State. Where are these other Isaiah Thomas' at?

[SparringPartner]

IT will have his number hanging in the Garden Rafters one day. Mark my words. And he will help the Celtics win a Championship. Maybe not as the best player on the team, but he will e crucial to a Championship team. People still sleeping on IT. It's hilarious. This is what drives him, so keep it going I guess

If Ainge sticks with him and pays him...I certainly hope you are right! I just don't see it. Again, if the C's are hoisting up banners with IT on the team I'm just fine eating crow.

[Green89]

Jaylen could easily turn out to be a Jimmy Butler, he's like 7 years younger than him.

The BKN 17 and 18 picks have superstar potential. Jimmy Butler isn't propelling us to championships. I don't understand what some of you guys see sometimes

He's a great player but he's no superstar or unique talent like a Giannis or Porzingis.

Both Giannis and Porzingis are playing with better talent on their teams right now, yet Butler's leading his team to the better record. They both may have better physical talent and upside, but neither are as clutch as Butler or have that superstar end of game knack for carrying a team on their back like Butler has shown this season. To me, the Bucks are a major disappointment this year, worse than NY or Chicago.

[Stadium5]

Ok, wait a minute...... You think Andre Drummond is the one key to the Cs winning the title this year (while getting rid of IT and Jae)? If he's such an amazing player then why are the Pistons trying to trade him? Its not like he's Shaq. This is Andre freakin Drummond we're talking about - you know, the guy who shoots FTs worse than Dennis Rodman. and you're calling out ddb as someone who doesn't know what he is talking about? This is a joke, right?

There's fewer Drummond's out there than there are Isiah Thomas'

DDB seems to have a pretty good grasp on basketball in general but to say 28 year old, 5'9'' Isaiah Thomas who plays on a guard heavy team, with a top 4 pick in a guard heavy draft, deserves a max contract from us, sure doesn't make him an unbiased basketball genius

Only two other players in NBA history have had a season scoring as much as Isaiah and as efficiently, and they both play on Golden State. Where are these other Isaiah Thomas' at?

That tells me its an outlier and not going to be his norm for very long. Selling high on IT would be ballsy and smart.

Plenty, and I mean PLENTY of high scoring guards out there

[Stadium5]

He's a great player but he's no superstar or unique talent like a Giannis or Porzingis.

Both Giannis and Porzingis are playing with better talent on their teams right now, yet Butler's leading his team to the better record. They both may have better physical talent and upside, but neither are as clutch as Butler or have that superstar end of game knack for carrying a team on their back like Butler has shown this season. To me, the Bucks are a major disappointment this year, worse than NY or Chicago.

Butler is like minimum 5 years older than both of those guys. When Giannis and Zing are 27 years old they'll be winning games trust me

[Bohemian]

IT is going nowhere guys. He is candidate for MVP, 30 points per game and insane play for the whole season. IT is a keeper

[SparringPartner]

Ok, wait a minute...... You think Andre Drummond is the one key to the Cs winning the title this year (while getting rid of IT and Jae)? If he's such an amazing player then why are the Pistons trying to trade him?

The Pistons are a weak organization IMO

This is Andre freakin Drummond we're talking about - you know, the guy who shoots FTs worse than Dennis Rodman. and you're calling out ddb as someone who doesn't know what he is talking about? This is a joke, right?

Dennis Rodman was on 5 championship teams.

Relax partner, it's just a message board. I feel like you should go smoke some weed or something along those lines.

Nobody is saying Drummond brings you a championship overnight. He's 23, but he is a building block, where IT is not IMO.

[OFWGKTA]

There's fewer Drummond's out there than there are Isiah Thomas'

DDB seems to have a pretty good grasp on basketball in general but to say 28 year old, 5'9'' Isaiah Thomas who plays on a guard heavy team, with a top 4 pick in a guard heavy draft, deserves a max contract from us, sure doesn't make him an unbiased basketball genius

Only two other players in NBA history have had a season scoring as much as Isaiah and as efficiently, and they both play on Golden State. Where are these other Isaiah Thomas' at?

That tells me its an outlier and not going to be his norm for very long. Selling high on IT would be ballsy and smart.

Plenty, and I mean PLENTY of high scoring guards out there

Since he's been with the Celtics, his average PER, TS%, PPG, and AST/G have only been matched or surpassed by the following players in a single season:

Wilt Chamberlain
Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Steph Curry
James Harden
Larry Bird
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West


Pretty good company to be in

[SparringPartner]

Right, because Drummond doesn't "FIT" in the "new" NBA. Great point, do you even know what that means?

Stevens would make Drummond a god. Andre plays both side of the court and he's 23. Oh yeah, he's locked up for 4 more years.

Wait a minute....Are you Andre Drummond? You must be! Bro, we could get you without giving up IT & JAe or anyone from the core. but unfortunately for you, I still don't think Danny Ainge would part ways with the BK's for you. I'm sorry. You are a very good player, but not exactly a good fit in what the Celtics are building, which is a team that has crafty guards, strong perimeter defense, bigs that can space the floor, and a roster filled with players willing to run through walls for each other. Maybe you're one of those guys, but your fit here is questionable.
It is very likely that Danny is significantly more interested in other star players. Also, are you even a star? You're like Dwight Howard all over again accept not as good as prime Howard.

This was cute
I don't get injured like D12 though son

[Writebloc]

IT is going nowhere guys. He is candidate for MVP, 30 points per game and insane play for the whole season. IT is a keeper

There are going to be a lot of IT haters that will hate the direction of this team. I guess no more than they already inexplicably already hate the current direction of the team?

Plus you don't trade Horford for Drummond either. Drummond kills spacing and he's a worse defender than Horford. The only thing Drummond does better than Horford is rebound. Aside from that Drummond makes this team worse.

[SparringPartner]

EW. what a terrible trade.. i would dump horford for drummond in a heartbeat.. but absolutely no way in hell i get rid of IT.. I am wayyyy too in love with that guy right now.

Exactly, you go ahead and be IT's fan-club president. I myself am more worried about chips. Sell high, buy low...