The Pursuit of Paul George

[SmartWentCrazy]

I'm not, and haven't once pretended elsewise in my 5,000+ posts.

I have a real good buddy who works with someone who "works in the front office for Ainge". My buddy says his froend at work showed him the texts that the deal was done, contingent on Hayward committing and Indy not getting cold feet.

Told me the offer. I personally love it. Some won't. General Board would prob trash both Ainge and Indy for it. Not gunna reveal specifics cuz too many media members lurk here and will quote it for an article.

Thanks for the info SWC.

You should PM a mod the specifics of the deal and then claim credit for being the first poster here to break the news when it eventually comes out.

Haha the thing is, I'm not an insider or anything nor do I want to be. My buddy could be wrong or yanking my chain. Just heard some news and figured I'd share with y'all.

[Jingles]

i see in a few articles the pacers aren't willing to wait until july 1st to deal george. Why? lol. What exactly is their rush?

Thinly-veiled threat to Danny Ainge.

[Green_teamer]

I assume that would work fine

This would get us a pick instead of just using him to match salaries

What we can do is trade Bradley + Rozier for a future pick now or before July 1. Use Zeller + Crowder for the PG trade later. The trade still has to come after Hayward signs.

I feel like that's perferable than just using Bradley as salary cap filler. Would give us another first to help use on a rental or a young guy to improve the bench when we don't have any other way

[ConstableGeneva]

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[hickfromfrenchlick]

This just shows that you really don't pay attention to Brandon Ingram, and/or the Lakers, and rightfully so - you're a Celtics fan so why would you? Luke Walton himself has made many comments over the past 6 months as to how far ahead he is as a player in comparison to where they thought he'd be at.

He experienced significant growth as a player the second half of the season and at times looked like a game changer defensively (his performance vs Paul George in January comes to mind). Without searching for the exact numbers, over the course of the 2nd half of the season I am nearly positive he was shooting ~50% from the field and 40+% from 3. He plays under control, makes the right pass, plays well off the ball.. he's going to be a very good player.

So, as far as upward growth goes, there is plenty of that. The key will be whether or not he builds off of it given another off-season and another few months of NBA action. Coincidentally, the second half of this coming season will tell a lot about Brandon Ingram.

You should search for them. He shot 27% from 3. Not 40+. Coupled with his FT%, he had a well below average TS%.

He may turn into a great player, but let's not paint a picture that didn't exist. He was not good last year, at all.

Couple things, you missed the sim symbol before the numbers. And you also didn't read the part where those numbers were being cited from the 2nd half of the season - he shot 27% from 3 collectively.

With that said, I did just search them.

2nd half shooting:

45% FG
33% from 3
52% TS - Not "well below" the league average of 54%

Those numbers are comparatively much higher than the first half of the season.

Nobody said he was "good" last season, just that he drastically improved the 2nd half of the season, so kudos again to missing the entire point of the Brandon Ingram discussion.

It would help if you showed where you got your numbers from.

Most splits show pre-AS and post-AS stats.

Following the AS break, Ingram shot better overall (47.5%), but only shot 26.9% from 3 and 54.5% from the FT line. And his TS% was 51.7%. That's not real improvement, although I guess it seems he had better shot selection.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01/splits/

[Slartibartfast]

This feels more like putting together the 2004 Pistons.

Yeah, it feels a lot like that, only without the inside presence that made that team so intimidating.

I'm excited though. I trust Danny entirely and I'm assuming he knows something I don't.

Agreed with you and Slart but yeah I mean Danny HAS to know something we don't. Has to. I've put my trust in him this long, I'm not gonna stop just yet.

PG/Hayward is a studly duo - no beef with talent evaluation there. Just not as studly as what GSW put together, not really a favorite against a typical LeBron team (though 50/50 odds ain't bad).

And we hold the BK picks in reserve to go after AD at which point we are even with GSW.

It makes complete sense - don't fault Ainge one bit for choosing this plan now that it's unfolding. It just feels like somebody going crazy in NBA2k and not the organic dare I say endearing process a homegrown title team is. I was a kid for late Bird, Reggie Lewis was my first basketball heartbreak, I spent my teens and twenties with prime Pierce - that to me is what emotionally investing in a team is about.

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At work so I can't add too much, but have a third-hand source who told me the deal for PG is done. Will add details later.

Are you an insider Smart ? .

I'm not, and haven't once pretended elsewise in my 5,000+ posts.

I have a real good buddy who works with someone who "works in the front office for Ainge". My buddy says his froend at work showed him the texts that the deal was done, contingent on Hayward committing and Indy not getting cold feet.

Told me the offer. I personally love it. Some won't. General Board would prob trash both Ainge and Indy for it. Not gunna reveal specifics cuz too many media members lurk here and will quote it for an article.

Well every day that passes without a trade for George would indicate that. Mad respect, hopefully JT and JB aren't included.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Are you an insider Smart ? .

I'm not, and haven't once pretended elsewise in my 5,000+ posts.

I have a real good buddy who works with someone who "works in the front office for Ainge". My buddy says his froend at work showed him the texts that the deal was done, contingent on Hayward committing and Indy not getting cold feet.

Told me the offer. I personally love it. Some won't. General Board would prob trash both Ainge and Indy for it. Not gunna reveal specifics cuz too many media members lurk here and will quote it for an article.

Anyway you can say if it is or isn't drastically different from what's being reported (LA/Sac, Jae, AB)? If not, no problem.

Yah, Kaufman is full of **** and talking out of his rear

[sam_I_am]

I feel like Ainge should lottery protect LA for 2-5 and let Indiana have Sac pick. Could even throw in our 2018 pick contingent on LA pick.

[UNCBlue012]

I definitely think we'd have a lot to prove against the Warriors, but why wouldn't we be favored or at least completely even with the Cavs? I'd love Boston's offensive power, even with LBJ on the otherside, and I take our bench all day.

[Slartibartfast]

That Pistons team was a point away from being back to back champions and could have added Wade, Bosh, or Melo so I'm cool with that.

Yeah, I'm not saying it won't be successful - right there with Cleveland and SAS for best shot if GSW falters. Just disappointed I'm not more excited.

Imagine the 2008 team only if we had traded Pierce for Chauncey and Prince.

Chauncey/Ray/Prince/KG/Perk is a pretty studly team, but wouldn't it have felt a little cheaper without Pierce?

Wait, who is the Pierce here?

That's what I'm saying - we don't have one. I wanted to draft several, not grab them right off of other team's vines already in the middle of their primes.

I'm arguing from sentiment here, not cold basketball logic.

[Green_teamer]

I'm not, and haven't once pretended elsewise in my 5,000+ posts.

I have a real good buddy who works with someone who "works in the front office for Ainge". My buddy says his froend at work showed him the texts that the deal was done, contingent on Hayward committing and Indy not getting cold feet.

Told me the offer. I personally love it. Some won't. General Board would prob trash both Ainge and Indy for it. Not gunna reveal specifics cuz too many media members lurk here and will quote it for an article.

Anyway you can say if it is or isn't drastically different from what's being reported (LA/Sac, Jae, AB)? If not, no problem.

Yah, Kaufman is full of **** and talking out of his rear

So a Brooklyn pick is involved

[hickfromfrenchlick]

At work so I can't add too much, but have a third-hand source who told me the deal for PG is done. Will add details later.

[The Corey's]

Like I said if protected but fine, however giving up any real asset for George doesn't make any sense.

Since Indiana has to trade him or lose him for nothing.

Start with Crowder and Zeller.

Memphis pick, clippers pick, our pick.

Can l.a. even beat that? If not then why are we trading a brooklyn or laker pick

[ConstableGeneva]

I'm not, and haven't once pretended elsewise in my 5,000+ posts.

I have a real good buddy who works with someone who "works in the front office for Ainge". My buddy says his froend at work showed him the texts that the deal was done, contingent on Hayward committing and Indy not getting cold feet.

Told me the offer. I personally love it. Some won't. General Board would prob trash both Ainge and Indy for it. Not gunna reveal specifics cuz too many media members lurk here and will quote it for an article.

Anyway you can say if it is or isn't drastically different from what's being reported (LA/Sac, Jae, AB)? If not, no problem.

Yah, Kaufman is full of **** and talking out of his rear

Can we at least know if George is extending or not?

[sam_I_am]

Yeah, it feels a lot like that, only without the inside presence that made that team so intimidating.

I'm excited though. I trust Danny entirely and I'm assuming he knows something I don't.

Agreed with you and Slart but yeah I mean Danny HAS to know something we don't. Has to. I've put my trust in him this long, I'm not gonna stop just yet.

PG/Hayward is a studly duo - no beef with talent evaluation there. Just not as studly as what GSW put together, not really a favorite against a typical LeBron team (though 50/50 odds ain't bad).

And we hold the BK picks in reserve to go after AD at which point we are even with GSW.

It makes complete sense - don't fault Ainge one bit for choosing this plan now that it's unfolding. It just feels like somebody going crazy in NBA2k and not the organic dare I say endearing process a homegrown title team is. I was a kid for late Bird, Reggie Lewis was my first basketball heartbreak, I spent my teens and twenties with prime Pierce - that to me is what emotionally investing in a team is about.

IT/Hayward/George/Horford is less than GSW Curry/Klay/Durant/Green but at least we matchup with 80cents on the dollar at each position. Let's say Iggy bolts in free agency. Does Brown/Smart/Tatum/Zizic give us a much more physical and talented bench? Is that enough? Maybe it is!

[Scarletfire81]

Tatum, Brown, and Zicic are the players I wouldnt include in the trade besides the obvious Horford and IT. I don't care about the Brooklyn or lakers picks. I have a feeling they will both be better along with Sacramento. Just give any combination of a couple picks and players to get PG.

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Thread Title The Big 4 Era.

[La Flame]

Agreed with you and Slart but yeah I mean Danny HAS to know something we don't. Has to. I've put my trust in him this long, I'm not gonna stop just yet.

PG/Hayward is a studly duo - no beef with talent evaluation there. Just not as studly as what GSW put together, not really a favorite against a typical LeBron team (though 50/50 odds ain't bad).

And we hold the BK picks in reserve to go after AD at which point we are even with GSW.

It makes complete sense - don't fault Ainge one bit for choosing this plan now that it's unfolding. It just feels like somebody going crazy in NBA2k and not the organic dare I say endearing process a homegrown title team is. I was a kid for late Bird, Reggie Lewis was my first basketball heartbreak, I spent my teens and twenties with prime Pierce - that to me is what emotionally investing in a team is about.

IT/Hayward/George/Horford is less than GSW Curry/Klay/Durant/Green but at least we matchup with 80cents on the dollar at each position. Let's say Iggy bolts in free agency. Does Brown/Smart/Tatum/Zizic give us a much more physical and talented bench? Is that enough? Maybe it is!

Yeah I don't expect their bench to get better with their current core unless someone pulls a KD and signs for the vet min. With our Big 4 I think realistically we cant contend for 3-4 years by which time our young bench (Brown, Tatum, BKN18) will be miles ahead of GSW's one and that's when we will beat them

[tombattor]

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