PG Part II: The Summer of George

[Celts17Pride]

The Boston Celtics consider the Indiana Pacers' most recent trade demand for Paul George to be unrealistic.

The Celtics are reportedly interested in trading for George if they are able to sign Gordon Hayward in free agency.

Kevin Pritchard is asking the Celtics for the Brooklyn Nets' 2018 first round pick as well as the Los Angeles Lakers' 2018 first round pick, plus starting player(s).

George can be a free agent in 2018 and is not certain to re-sign with the Celtics as he's signaled a preference to play for the Lakers.

The Cleveland Cavaliers and Lakers are also interested in trading for George this offseason.

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This does fit the narrative of what Ainge was saying that teams are asking for a lot because they know the Celtics have a lot.

[165bows]

I not so secretly like your idea as well!

You're talking to the creator of Where Ainges Fear to Trade.

I eat lighting and crap punder.

Meh, Where Ainges Fear to Trade was an all time great thread title.

George of the Jungle is...something.

Even Curious George is much better than George of the Jungle. What's the jungle got to do with this?

[chrisab123]

I'm thinking in the next 48 hours we'll see on ESPN the breaking news thing that George is traded to the Rockets/Cavs. When these types of reports come out that another team is being unreasonable it's never a good sign. It's more of the spin process to explain to a rabid fan base that once again we tried to make a trade but the prices were too high. I think Danny doesn't want to give up Jae and Bradley personally.

This still contradicts everything we've heard.

Jae and Bradley? Give me a break. Danny Ainge does not meet criteria for any psychotic/delusional disorder.

I dont buy this

Every trade rumor you hear...what is always the common denominator besides the other team wanting the Brooklyn pick? He balks at giving those two up specifically and Rozier.

[The Corey's]

Move along please.

Grab Hayward. Make the baby steps.

No need to blow your load for a non title contender.

[3D Chess]

I'm thinking in the next 48 hours we'll see on ESPN the breaking news thing that George is traded to the Rockets/Cavs. When these types of reports come out that another team is being unreasonable it's never a good sign. It's more of the spin process to explain to a rabid fan base that once again we tried to make a trade but the prices were too high. I think Danny doesn't want to give up Jae and Bradley personally.

This still contradicts everything we've heard.

Jae and Bradley? Give me a break. Danny Ainge does not meet criteria for any psychotic/delusional disorder.

I dont buy this

Not to mention, we HAVE to trade guys to make up the salary exchange, and there are only so many guys on the roster to trade. Danny knows this and has known it all along - he is not suddenly shocked that the Pacers are asking for them.

[UNCBlue012]

Move along please.

Grab Hayward. Make the baby steps.

No need to blow your load for a non title contender.

And Ainge won't. We're fine!

[Celts17Pride]

Paul George will be a Celtic by July 5th. Book it!

[Homerclease]

Here's how NBA execs view it:

Bradley/Crowder are precisely what you think they are - hard-working ham and eggers that have reached their ceiling.
The NBA agrees.

BOS 18 is a late round pick.

MEM and LAC are mid-rounders; at best.

Trust me, I'm down with the deal. The C's have a massive perception problem all the way around in multiple facets.

You must have missed my question. I will repeat. Please give an example of a realistic deal that trumps; Avery, Jae, BOS'18, MEM'19, LAC'19

I think Houston beats that with Gordon/Ariza/Capela/future pick.

Disagree unless it's a 3 teamer. Capela does nothing for Indy

[DK-All Day]

I'm sure the Lakers scraps will be so much better, Pritchard!

[SparringPartner]

The offer is 2018 Lakers pick, and 2018 Nets pick. It is still too much to give up for Paul George.

I disagree to a point. Pritchard can say all day long he will hold on to PG13, but everyday he waits the price will continue to go down. Example; look at what CHI got for Butler with multiple years left on his contract.

With that being said, if you are the Celtics, you are potentially bidding against yourself. If there is ZERO reason to give the BRK'18 & LAL/SAC pick you do not.

Is an extended Paul George, in a vacuum, worth those picks? IMO he is worth them.

[OFWGKTA]

You're talking to the creator of Where Ainges Fear to Trade.

I eat lighting and crap punder.

Meh, Where Ainges Fear to Trade was an all time great thread title.

George of the Jungle is...something.

Even Curious George is much better than George of the Jungle. What's the jungle got to do with this?

Uhhhhhhhhhh the TD Garden is referred to as The Jungle, so actually it's perfect.

[Afam]

Under no circumstance should an team give up a potential number 1 pick ( 2018 Nets pick) and a top 2-5 pick(Lakers pick) for a player that wants out from his team,and on his last year of his contract.

[Green_teamer]

Indiana asks for both 2018 picks Nets and lakers. Realgm celtics posters response? Danny doesn't want to get rid of Crowder and Bradley


Great take

[bs_and_cs]

I'm thinking in the next 48 hours we'll see on ESPN the breaking news thing that George is traded to the Rockets/Cavs. When these types of reports come out that another team is being unreasonable it's never a good sign. It's more of the spin process to explain to a rabid fan base that once again we tried to make a trade but the prices were too high. [b]I think Danny doesn't want to give up Jae and Bradley personally[/b].

Which is a huge Mistake...IMO

It's also baseless speculation.

[gman5589]

Please give an example of a realistic deal that trumps; Avery, Jae, BOS'18, MEM'19, LAC'19

Here's how NBA execs view it:

Bradley/Crowder are precisely what you think they are - hard-working ham and eggers that have reached their ceiling.
The NBA agrees.

BOS 18 is a late round pick.

MEM and LAC are mid-rounders; at best.

Trust me, I'm down with the deal. The C's have a massive perception problem all the way around in multiple facets.

You must have missed my question. I will repeat. Please give an example of a realistic deal that trumps; Avery, Jae, BOS'18, MEM'19, LAC'19

Pritchard would rather take a gamble on any contender trading for PG and them relinquishing 3 first rounders unprotected > 2019, gambling that they'd tank eventually.

[Tai]

I didn't really understand why people talk about the LA/SAC pick as a throw in since that pick may very well be better than the Brooklyn pick. I wouldn't give it up for George. Sign Hayward and go all in for up to two high picks in the 2018 draft.

The Brooklyn pick's unprotected; if you think the Lakers will be worse than the Nets that's one thing, debatable but one thing, but unprotected > protected, "warts" and all.....

[chrisab123]

He's legit and there's a 99% chance that his sourcing is coming directly from the Celtics.

You can belive what he tweeted or has written, or what not but i've yet to see Murphy have significant details of a negotiations before others have. But whatever.

That's why he's perfect. If this was legit brass would give it to Bullpett. Not Murphy. Bullpett is the wet blanket not a spin doctor. I believe Kaufman has the deal right but Danny is really balking not so much with the Laker pick but with dealing Bradley/Crowder. He's fallen in love with those players and you can't do that.

[leper-con]

Unfortunately Danny has too many good assets, so the price is always higher than other teams.
If he had crap assets that would be the price. Teams always demand the world and then don’t want to settle for whatever Danny wants to give them. They then turn around and take an even worst offer because that is what the next team has. The Minnie –Chicago trade is proof positive.

[CelticsLV]

Pritch can leverage against Ainge since he can just tell him that he'll send PG-13 to LAL early and make the LAL pick worse

This too. Anybody who says Pacers have no leverage are fooling themselves. There are other teams which have made offers for George. Pick like MEM19 or LAC19 isn't really an asset which will sway a trade in your favor. You better put some quality on the table instead of quantity.

LAL18 is the most i would give from our prem assets. Otherwise, move along. I doubt Ainge will up his offer so i don't think George will be a Celtic.

[The Rondo Show]

I'm thinking in the next 48 hours we'll see on ESPN the breaking news thing that George is traded to the Rockets/Cavs. When these types of reports come out that another team is being unreasonable it's never a good sign. It's more of the spin process to explain to a rabid fan base that once again we tried to make a trade but the prices were too high. I think Danny doesn't want to give up Jae and Bradley personally.

Here's why that doesn't make sense though: those guys essentially HAVE to go in order for us to do a Hayward/George off-season like appears is clearly Plan A. It's the only way to match salary on a George deal. So if he didn't want to give up Bradley or Crowder, he likely wouldn't even be interested in the Hayward+George off-season plan at all.

That tells me the bigger hang up is on the picks. My guess is IND currently asking for both BKN '18 and LAL/SAC pick, where as Ainge isn't offering either. IND hoping to meet Ainge in middle at end of the day and get him to relent on the Lakers pick. I'm not sure he will when he sees the other offers on the table in this market.