Trade Ideas Thread

[Green89]

Oladipo,JB,Kemba,JT sharing one ball, thats cringe offense.

Worse locker room.

Disagree. Hayward took 12 shots in our elimination game, and Smart 22. Considering Smart should be at no more than 8, that's 26 more shots to go around in playoff games. Plenty for Oladipo and enough left over for Kemba to get more than he got per game this year. Titles are all about defense and putting the ball in the hoop, especially at the end of games. Dipo checks all those boxes.

[ConstableGeneva]

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I am all aboard this train. Could not be higher on him for next season.

If he doesn't get at least 20 minutes every night for whatever reason -- injuries, Stevens's decision, non-game changing big added to roster -- I will be thoroughly disappointed. At a small sample size, he's already statistically at par or better than Jarrett Allen except for his turnovers. Allen much better than him on defense though, numbers aside. He's been impactful for us in short bursts. The unanswered question is if he can maintain that with increased playing time.

[ConstableGeneva]

Oladipo,JB,Kemba,JT sharing one ball, thats cringe offense.

Worse locker room.

Disagree. Hayward took 12 shots in our elimination game, and Smart 22. Considering Smart should be at no more than 8, that's 26 more shots to go around in playoff games. Plenty for Oladipo and enough left over for Kemba to get more than he got per game this year. Titles are all about defense and putting the ball in the hoop, especially at the end of games. Dipo checks all those boxes.

Why do you guys want a worse, also-expiring player who is coming off a worse injury? 2019-20 Hayward to 2019-20 Dipo, at their healthiest, is at least two notches down. Then you still have to pay for Dipo's next contract the season after. He'll be gunning for the max so you'd expect he'd want to put up big numbers (potential Mook/Tro situation).

[100proof]

Oladipo,JB,Kemba,JT sharing one ball, thats cringe offense.

Worse locker room.

Disagree. Hayward took 12 shots in our elimination game, and Smart 22. Considering Smart should be at no more than 8, that's 26 more shots to go around in playoff games. Plenty for Oladipo and enough left over for Kemba to get more than he got per game this year. Titles are all about defense and putting the ball in the hoop, especially at the end of games. Dipo checks all those boxes.

Team game planned for Smart to Shoot. Tatum, Brown. Kemba, Hayward all needed to step up and demand more.

But lets not forget that Smart was constantly our 3rd best player this past offseason.

[FlatearthZorro]

Oladipo,JB,Kemba,JT sharing one ball, thats cringe offense.

Worse locker room.

Disagree. Hayward took 12 shots in our elimination game, and Smart 22. Considering Smart should be at no more than 8, that's 26 more shots to go around in playoff games. Plenty for Oladipo and enough left over for Kemba to get more than he got per game this year. Titles are all about defense and putting the ball in the hoop, especially at the end of games. Dipo checks all those boxes.

Smart should know better, but he doesn't and wont, he's improved but he does need to tone it down on offense when he's not on.

[ConstableGeneva]

Oladipo,JB,Kemba,JT sharing one ball, thats cringe offense.

Worse locker room.

Disagree. Hayward took 12 shots in our elimination game, and Smart 22. Considering Smart should be at no more than 8, that's 26 more shots to go around in playoff games. Plenty for Oladipo and enough left over for Kemba to get more than he got per game this year. Titles are all about defense and putting the ball in the hoop, especially at the end of games. Dipo checks all those boxes.

Smart should know better, but he doesn't and wont, he's improved but he does need to tone it down on offense when he's not on.

There's a noticeable pattern with Smart. When one of our top four scorers are unavailable/not healthy/not aggressive enough, he tries to fill the void on offense. Whether that's right or wrong, that's what's happening.

In six of the seeding games prior to the playoffs, Hayward took 12+ FGAs. Smart didn't in any of those games.
There were 13 regular season games where both Smart and Hayward took 12+ FGAs. In 11 of them, one of Brown/Tatum/Kemba was inactive. The other one was against Golden State.

Smart took 4 more attempts on average when he started. This is why I'm against him starting IF we have a fully healthy Hayward. I prefer him to keep his 6th man role. But either way, Cs shouldn't want an inefficient scoring guard in Oladipo (who duplicates Kemba's role) in place of Hayward. Smart's TS% is even higher than Oladipo's this season and almost identical to his TS% last season.

One way to fix this without losing Hayward is bring in a bona fide bench scorer.

[100proof]

how about:

Hayward and Kanter to Clippers
Paul George to Grizzlies
Dieng and Winslow to Boston.

Kemba
Smart/Romeo
Brown/Winslow
Tatum/Theis/GrantW
Dieng/Timelord/Poirier


or
Dinwiddie, Hayward, Poirier to Clippers
George to Nets
Allen, Kurucs, McGruder, and #26 to Pacers
Turner and a Sign and Traded (12 mill pers season) Harris to Boston.

Kemba/
Smart/Harris
Brown/Romeo
Tatum/Theis/GrantW
Turner/Kanter/TImelord

[100proof]

Disagree. Hayward took 12 shots in our elimination game, and Smart 22. Considering Smart should be at no more than 8, that's 26 more shots to go around in playoff games. Plenty for Oladipo and enough left over for Kemba to get more than he got per game this year. Titles are all about defense and putting the ball in the hoop, especially at the end of games. Dipo checks all those boxes.

Smart should know better, but he doesn't and wont, he's improved but he does need to tone it down on offense when he's not on.

There's a noticeable pattern with Smart. When one of our top four scorers are unavailable/not healthy/not aggressive enough, he tries to fill the void on offense. Whether that's right or wrong, that's what's happening.

In six of the seeding games prior to the playoffs, Hayward took 12+ FGAs. Smart didn't in any of those games.
There were 13 regular season games where both Smart and Hayward took 12+ FGAs. In 11 of them, one of Brown/Tatum/Kemba was inactive. The other one was against Golden State.

Smart took 4 more attempts on average when he started. This is why I'm against him starting IF we have a fully healthy Hayward. I prefer him to keep his 6th man role. But either way, Cs shouldn't want an inefficient scoring guard in Oladipo (who duplicates Kemba's role) in place of Hayward. Smart's TS% is even higher than Oladipo's this season and almost identical to his TS% last season.

One way to fix this without losing Hayward is bring in a bona fide bench scorer.

A bench scorer is a neccessity.

Also I think playing smart with Kemba is one as well. Kemba is so weak defensively that we need Smarts overachieving defense to cover it.

[Roddy]

1- Gordon Hayward + Javonte Green + Semi Ojeleye + #26 for JJ Redick and Jrue Holiday

2- Gordon Hayward + Enes Kanter for Eric Gordon and Robert Covington

3- Enes Kanter + Carsen Edwards + Semi Ojeleye for Ish Smith and Moritz Wagner

[MagicBagley18]

Oladipo,JB,Kemba,JT sharing one ball, thats cringe offense.

Worse locker room.

Disagree. Hayward took 12 shots in our elimination game, and Smart 22. Considering Smart should be at no more than 8, that's 26 more shots to go around in playoff games. Plenty for Oladipo and enough left over for Kemba to get more than he got per game this year. Titles are all about defense and putting the ball in the hoop, especially at the end of games. Dipo checks all those boxes.

It’s also about buying in and doing what’s best for the great good of the team....Ubuntu “I am because we are”. Cliche? Yes but guys need to buy in and be selfless.

Dipo is in a contract year (stop me if u know this story and it’s relation to the Celtics )and he’ll want a max deal and that’ll be his prime motivation. He’s not even healthy yet and may never be and he’s a guy who screamed about how he’s “back home in Indiana now his city” and now demanding a trade.

Tatum is the number 1 from here on out- I highly doubt Oladipo would be ok with that.

[100proof]

1- Gordon Hayward + Javonte Green + Semi Ojeleye + #26 for JJ Redick and Jrue Holiday

2- Gordon Hayward + Enes Kanter for Eric Gordon and Robert Covington

3- Enes Kanter + Carsen Edwards + Semi Ojeleye for Ish Smith and Moritz Wagner

I like #1
I hate #2
No to #3.

[MagicBagley18]

So we wanna get rid of Hayward because he is injury prone ? in return we get a guy who is just as injury, a flight risk rental and will want a max deal? So he balls we give him the max and hope he’s healthy ? Or we watch him leave for nothing?.....come on guys

[100proof]

What about

Hayward, Powell, #26 to OKC
Schroeder, Poirier and #30 to Dallas
Adams, Brunson to Boston (Clears 7.6 million)

Gain a young PG who should be able to replace Wannamaker, and gain an old school tough guy Center and move up a few places in draft.

Kemba/Brunson/Edwards
Smart/Romeo
Brown/
Tatum/Theis/GrantW
Adams/Kanter/Timelord

Should be sitting at around 130 million before signing picks.

[Roddy]

1- Gordon Hayward + Javonte Green + Semi Ojeleye + #26 for JJ Redick and Jrue Holiday

2- Gordon Hayward + Enes Kanter for Eric Gordon and Robert Covington

3- Enes Kanter + Carsen Edwards + Semi Ojeleye for Ish Smith and Moritz Wagner

I like #1
I hate #2
No to #3.

I'm sure most people will hate #2

But Eric Gordon could give us a good scorer/shooter off the bench and Covington is one of the best 3&D in the league.

#3 is a little trade that give us a pass-first defensive PG and a young big man who is improving.

[Green89]

Oladipo,JB,Kemba,JT sharing one ball, thats cringe offense.

Worse locker room.

Disagree. Hayward took 12 shots in our elimination game, and Smart 22. Considering Smart should be at no more than 8, that's 26 more shots to go around in playoff games. Plenty for Oladipo and enough left over for Kemba to get more than he got per game this year. Titles are all about defense and putting the ball in the hoop, especially at the end of games. Dipo checks all those boxes.

Why do you guys want a worse, also-expiring player who is coming off a worse injury? 2019-20 Hayward to 2019-20 Dipo, at their healthiest, is at least two notches down. Then you still have to pay for Dipo's next contract the season after. He'll be gunning for the max so you'd expect he'd want to put up big numbers (potential Mook/Tro situation).

Dipo worse?? Salary issues could be problematic but stuff like whether Hayward had better efficiency and numbers is irrelevant, because Dipo is a bonafide closer who can win you games. When has Hayward ever been that? The on paper stat comparison doesn't work with these two, as Hayward can't even be relied upon to hit bunnies in the middle of games, never mind hit you game winners. Also, when has Hayward ever made an all defensive team or All NBA team like Oladipo has? Again, can't just compare offensive numbers between these two as Dipo is the better defender.

Dipo should be better with the injury this coming season, and pre injury he was top 3 in the league in crunch time scoring. That's a luxury this team needs. We'd be in the Finals right now if we had a true closing scorer on this team.

[100proof]

1- Gordon Hayward + Javonte Green + Semi Ojeleye + #26 for JJ Redick and Jrue Holiday

2- Gordon Hayward + Enes Kanter for Eric Gordon and Robert Covington

3- Enes Kanter + Carsen Edwards + Semi Ojeleye for Ish Smith and Moritz Wagner

I like #1
I hate #2
No to #3.

I'm sure most people will hate #2

But Eric Gordon could give us a good scorer/shooter off the bench and Covington is one of the best 3&D in the league.

#3 is a little trade that give us a pass-first defensive PG and a young big man who is improving.

He has such a bad contract. I would rather do the oft talked about Dallas deal 100% of the time over that.

THJ is an excellent shooter, Wright is a good defensive Backup and another pick is always a good thing.
In fact, imo, having 14, 18, 26, 31, 31 and 47 for picks in THIS draft along with Wright, Romeo, Poirier, Edwards, Kanter as salary can probably net you a bigman upgrade as well.

for example.

Hayward and Porier to Dallas
Kanter, Powell, Edwards, #18, #26, #47 to Washington
Thomas Bryant, THJ, Brunson, Troy Brown Jr to Boston

Boston sheds 10.9 mill in salary and adds a COMPLETE bench and a starting center. Team would be left with picks 14 and 30 as well as FULL mle to use on a player.

Kemba/Brunson
Smart/THJ/Romeo
Brown/Brown JR
Tatum/GrantW
Bryant/Theis/Timelord

[ConstableGeneva]

Disagree. Hayward took 12 shots in our elimination game, and Smart 22. Considering Smart should be at no more than 8, that's 26 more shots to go around in playoff games. Plenty for Oladipo and enough left over for Kemba to get more than he got per game this year. Titles are all about defense and putting the ball in the hoop, especially at the end of games. Dipo checks all those boxes.

Why do you guys want a worse, also-expiring player who is coming off a worse injury? 2019-20 Hayward to 2019-20 Dipo, at their healthiest, is at least two notches down. Then you still have to pay for Dipo's next contract the season after. He'll be gunning for the max so you'd expect he'd want to put up big numbers (potential Mook/Tro situation).

Dipo worse?? Salary issues could be problematic but stuff like whether Hayward had better efficiency and numbers is irrelevant, because Dipo is a bonafide closer who can win you games. When has Hayward ever been that? The on paper stat comparison doesn't work with these two, as Hayward can't even be relied upon to hit bunnies in the middle of games, never mind hit you game winners. Also, when has Hayward ever made an all defensive team or All NBA team like Oladipo has? Again, can't just compare offensive numbers between these two as Dipo is the better defender.

Dipo should be better with the injury this coming season, and pre injury he was top 3 in the league in crunch time scoring. That's a luxury this team needs. We'd be in the Finals right now if we had a true closing scorer on this team.

So it's okay to penalize Hayward for coming back two/three weeks earlier than he should while also hoping Oladipo goes back to his 2018 self? Doesn't seem fair. 'Cos Utah Hayward actually won a series for them and produced in the series against the Warriors. The issue even when he was healthy was usage/role. Same issue you'd run into when you get Oladipo. Actually worse, 'cos I don't think Dipo would want to take a step back for Tatum, Kemba, or Brown.

We've seen this movie before. Kyrie was a "closer" too. Next thing you know, we're blaming Brad for not being able to "make it work" and for everything else including Tatum/Brown plateauing/regressing.

[Green89]

Why do you guys want a worse, also-expiring player who is coming off a worse injury? 2019-20 Hayward to 2019-20 Dipo, at their healthiest, is at least two notches down. Then you still have to pay for Dipo's next contract the season after. He'll be gunning for the max so you'd expect he'd want to put up big numbers (potential Mook/Tro situation).

Dipo worse?? Salary issues could be problematic but stuff like whether Hayward had better efficiency and numbers is irrelevant, because Dipo is a bonafide closer who can win you games. When has Hayward ever been that? The on paper stat comparison doesn't work with these two, as Hayward can't even be relied upon to hit bunnies in the middle of games, never mind hit you game winners. Also, when has Hayward ever made an all defensive team or All NBA team like Oladipo has? Again, can't just compare offensive numbers between these two as Dipo is the better defender.

Dipo should be better with the injury this coming season, and pre injury he was top 3 in the league in crunch time scoring. That's a luxury this team needs. We'd be in the Finals right now if we had a true closing scorer on this team.

So it's okay to penalize Hayward for coming back two/three weeks earlier than he should while also hoping Oladipo goes back to his 2018 self? Doesn't seem fair. 'Cos Utah Hayward actually won a series for them and produced in the series against the Warriors. The issue even when he was healthy was usage/role. Same issue you'd run into when you get Oladipo. Actually worse, 'cos I don't think Dipo would want to take a step back for Tatum, Kemba, or Brown.

We've seen this movie before. Kyrie was a "closer" too. Next thing you know, we're blaming Brad for not being able to "make it work" and for everything else including Tatum/Brown plateauing/regressing.

I'd risk usage and whether there's enough ball going around issues to have a Dipo or other closer. We were in so many close games in the playoffs where one more basket means a win. We need someone who can go get a basket and Danny's repeated this every year but never comes through with one. Hayward's good but doesn't put us over the top, even when healthy. We need a crunch time scorer and there aren't many available in the league. The good thing about Dipo is that a lot of closing scorers and shooters give up defense on the other end. Not the case with him.

[ConstableGeneva]

Dipo worse?? Salary issues could be problematic but stuff like whether Hayward had better efficiency and numbers is irrelevant, because Dipo is a bonafide closer who can win you games. When has Hayward ever been that? The on paper stat comparison doesn't work with these two, as Hayward can't even be relied upon to hit bunnies in the middle of games, never mind hit you game winners. Also, when has Hayward ever made an all defensive team or All NBA team like Oladipo has? Again, can't just compare offensive numbers between these two as Dipo is the better defender.

Dipo should be better with the injury this coming season, and pre injury he was top 3 in the league in crunch time scoring. That's a luxury this team needs. We'd be in the Finals right now if we had a true closing scorer on this team.

So it's okay to penalize Hayward for coming back two/three weeks earlier than he should while also hoping Oladipo goes back to his 2018 self? Doesn't seem fair. 'Cos Utah Hayward actually won a series for them and produced in the series against the Warriors. The issue even when he was healthy was usage/role. Same issue you'd run into when you get Oladipo. Actually worse, 'cos I don't think Dipo would want to take a step back for Tatum, Kemba, or Brown.

We've seen this movie before. Kyrie was a "closer" too. Next thing you know, we're blaming Brad for not being able to "make it work" and for everything else including Tatum/Brown plateauing/regressing.

I'd risk usage and whether there's enough ball going around issues to have a Dipo or other closer. We were in so many close games in the playoffs where one more basket means a win. We need someone who can go get a basket and Danny's repeated this every year but never comes through with one, Hayward's good but doesn't put us over the top, even when healthy. We need a crunch time scorer and there aren't many available in the league.

A more seasoned Tatum (it was his 1st year as the primary; was pretty clutch in the regular season) and healthier Kemba are the answers. Get a less expensive, lower-profile bench scorer in the mold of LouWill if we want another closer type. And/or give more responsibility to Jaylen who's come up big for us in close games in the past.

[GoGreen]

Smart has been in the league long enough to know his chucking bs needs to stop. He is a frustrating player when he pulls his hero ball act.