Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread

[MagicBagley18]

FUNNY. KD had a whole twitter account to argue with fans and media. LBJ complained about the media's treatment of the Heat (not the only time). Two of the biggest names in the game and neither were as young as Brown and Tatum at the time! Brown didn't even complain about the media, he told Tatum they have to ignore it.

These people are humans, EVERYONE cares what people think of them and most of you only deal with around 10 who care to think anything about you so it's easy to say, "you shouldn't care what people think!" These young people have thousands of people coming at them whether it's good or bad, most people have social media platforms and are free to say what they want, the media has one of the more visible!

Some of the same people on here talking about what they would ignore are the same people getting into arguments on message boards over simple disagreements. Y'all resort to name calling over how good you think a player is and YOU'RE ANONYMOUS!! Pretty much no one knows you yet you feel slighted and attacked if people don't agree with you (myself included)! So don't act like you're above it!

The Jays are high level players in a league so few people make it to, people have been nitpicking things about them since they were very young, it's not human to block out everything people say, but they do a great job of it, look at where they are and who they are! They still work their asses off and go out and perform no matter what!

This doesn mean they don't deserve criticism, I'm simply saying, it isn't as easy to ignore all the things that come at them as people on a message board pretend it should be!

It’s fine for them to not be able to ignore it- they are only human after all and you are right it’s easier said than done but it’s one thing to not ignore it and another to speak up on it. The jays have been nothing but praised here by the media both in Boston and nationally. Everyone has talked about how poised and mature they are for their age and how bright the future is for them and the Celtics.

It was well deserved. They are really good young men and amazing at their profession regardless of what myself or other may say at times. However if you take all the praise that comes your way then you should also be able to take criticism, especially when it comes at you for the 1st time in your career and especially when your team is playing well well below expectations and capability.

Being a member of a message board and being anonymous isn’t the same as being paid millions of dollars to represent an organization. People nitpicking your game or play comes with the territory.

[zoyathedestroya]

Something you probably didn't know or expect... Or did but have erased from memory...

Semi led the team in scoring for a game this season.

Point leader count:
Tatum - 29 games
Brown - 20 games
Kemba - 4 games
Ojeleye - 1 game

[bucknersrevenge]

FUNNY. KD had a whole twitter account to argue with fans and media. LBJ complained about the media's treatment of the Heat (not the only time). Two of the biggest names in the game and neither were as young as Brown and Tatum at the time! Brown didn't even complain about the media, he told Tatum they have to ignore it.

These people are humans, EVERYONE cares what people think of them and most of you only deal with around 10 who care to think anything about you so it's easy to say, "you shouldn't care what people think!" These young people have thousands of people coming at them whether it's good or bad, most people have social media platforms and are free to say what they want, the media has one of the more visible!

Some of the same people on here talking about what they would ignore are the same people getting into arguments on message boards over simple disagreements. Y'all resort to name calling over how good you think a player is and YOU'RE ANONYMOUS!! Pretty much no one knows you yet you feel slighted and attacked if people don't agree with you (myself included)! So don't act like you're above it!

The Jays are high level players in a league so few people make it to, people have been nitpicking things about them since they were very young, it's not human to block out everything people say, but they do a great job of it, look at where they are and who they are! They still work their asses off and go out and perform no matter what!

This doesn mean they don't deserve criticism, I'm simply saying, it isn't as easy to ignore all the things that come at them as people on a message board pretend it should be!

It’s fine for them to not be able to ignore it- they are only human after all and you are right it’s easier said than done but it’s one thing to not ignore it and another to speak up on it. The jays have been nothing but praised here by the media both in Boston and nationally. Everyone has talked about how poised and mature they are for their age and how bright the future is for them and the Celtics.

It was well deserved. They are really good young men and amazing at their profession regardless of what myself or other may say at times. However if you take all the praise that comes your way then you should also be able to take criticism, especially when it comes at you for the 1st time in your career and especially when your team is playing well well below expectations and capability.

Being a member of a message board and being anonymous isn’t the same as being paid millions of dollars to represent an organization. People nitpicking your game or play comes with the territory.

Agreed. To feel something about what someone says or thinks about you is human. To say something back is about ego and pride. And you know what they say "pride cometh before", right? What we all fail to remember in those times is that we NEVER actually change anyone's mind or opinion with what we say or even do. People CHOOSE to change their own minds or modify their opinions ON THEIR OWN based on assimilation of new information. So what people think of you is none of your business. It's not about what you're called. It's about what you answer to.

[BK_2020]

Maybe Wyc would have been showing some leadership by questioning Ainge/Zarren/Stevens/whoever about the Kemba signing. Go through NBA history and look at small point guards like him -

Chris Paul - 35 years old and having an incredible season
Lowry - 35 years old. Just came off 6 straight All-Star seasons and having yet another great season
Patty Mills - 32 years and 244 days old. Having one of the best seasons ever in his career after just having had the best season of his career last season at 31 years old.
Conley - 33.5 years old. Made his first All-Star game.
Dame - he's 6'1 so not technically 6'0 and under but damn he's balling out at 30 years of age
Derrick Rose - 32 years old. His age 30+ seasons have been his best seasons in a long time since the devastating injury he suffered in his early 20s.
Lou Williams - 35 years old. His career took off when he turned 30 years old.

Let's roll it back a few years and look at small point guards from the past.

Jason Terry - had his best seasons after he turned 30.
Derek Fisher - best seasons are age 30 to 34 seasons.
Tony Parker - slightly over 6'0 but made the AS game in his age 30 and 31 seasons
Iverson - made several AS games past his age 30 season, had his most efficient seasons after turning 30.

I don't see any evidence that small point guards fall off when they turn 30. What I see is players who are bad to begin with struggling to stick in the league past 30 years of age (e.g. Darren Collison).

[Gomes3PC]

Really need him to find his form from 3. It sucks we don't have the guy from the start of last year who could blow by guys to the rim, but if he's going to shoot 30% from 3 like he has for the last month, that's going to break our back. He's at least got to knock down the open Js, move the ball on offense, and generally be a threat out there in some form.

[Curmudgeon]

Except for Lou Williams and possibly JET. all of the guards you listed are significantly better defensively than Kemba. It's the defensive end where he kills you. Against every good team, the ball immediately rotates to the man Kemba is guarding-- especially if there has been a switch and he's covering a taller player. So when Kemba is on the floor, they play alot of zone.

They try to do the same thing to Pritchard but it doesn't work as well.

One reason why Smart is so valuable is that he can switch 1 through 5, and do an all-NBA job defending 1 through 3 and a creditable job defending 4 and 5.

[celtics543]

Maybe Wyc would have been showing some leadership by questioning Ainge/Zarren/Stevens/whoever about the Kemba signing. Go through NBA history and look at small point guards like him -

Chris Paul - 35 years old and having an incredible season
Lowry - 35 years old. Just came off 6 straight All-Star seasons and having yet another great season
Patty Mills - 32 years and 244 days old. Having one of the best seasons ever in his career after just having had the best season of his career last season at 31 years old.
Conley - 33.5 years old. Made his first All-Star game.
Dame - he's 6'1 so not technically 6'0 and under but damn he's balling out at 30 years of age
Derrick Rose - 32 years old. His age 30+ seasons have been his best seasons in a long time since the devastating injury he suffered in his early 20s.
Lou Williams - 35 years old. His career took off when he turned 30 years old.

Let's roll it back a few years and look at small point guards from the past.

Jason Terry - had his best seasons after he turned 30.
Derek Fisher - best seasons are age 30 to 34 seasons.
Tony Parker - slightly over 6'0 but made the AS game in his age 30 and 31 seasons
Iverson - made several AS games past his age 30 season, had his most efficient seasons after turning 30.

I don't see any evidence that small point guards fall off when they turn 30. What I see is players who are bad to begin with struggling to stick in the league past 30 years of age (e.g. Darren Collison).

How many of those guys would you have given the max to though?

Paul - sure
Lowry - ok
Mills - no
Conley - no
Dame - of course
Rose - not after his injuries
Lou - no

JET - no
Fisher - no
Parker - maybe
Iverson - Fell off at 32

Small point guard lose athleticism after 30. So if they aren't great shooters, passers, or defenders, and they lose elite athleticism then they fall off. The guys you listed were great at something other than just being athletic. Kemba unfortunately is all about quickness.

[BK_2020]

Small point guard lose athleticism after 30. So if they aren't great shooters, passers, or defenders, and they lose elite athleticism then they fall off. The guys you listed were great at something other than just being athletic. Kemba unfortunately is all about quickness.

Except they didn't fall off?
All athletes decline with age. As a general rule good players decline in a gentler slope. I have not seen any evidence that this is different for small point guards.

[celtics543]

Small point guard lose athleticism after 30. So if they aren't great shooters, passers, or defenders, and they lose elite athleticism then they fall off. The guys you listed were great at something other than just being athletic. Kemba unfortunately is all about quickness.

Except they didn't fall off?
All athletes decline with age. As a general rule good players decline in a gentler slope. I have not seen any evidence that this is different for small point guards.

Maybe fall off is the wrong way to put it. Smaller guards who can't defend have a smaller margin they're working with. Look at IT. He's still talented but if he's not at his all star level then he's not a net positive on the floor because he can't defend anyone. The difference between All Star, top 5 MVP candidate IT and say Paul George or Kawhi Leonard is that their margins are quite large now so as they gradually lose athleticism they have a bigger gap to fill between what they provide and what they give up. A guy like Kemba or IT gives up a lot on defense but at their best they make up for it with their offensive skill. Once they fall off a little though and the offense is only 85% of what it used to be the margin flips and now they're giving up more than they're providing.

I'm not saying Kemba fell off completely from the player he was at his peak. I'm saying that even a little drop is a problem because the gap between what he gave up defensively and what he produced offensively was already closer than an elite player that was capable of playing great defense.

[soxfan2003]

Maybe Wyc would have been showing some leadership by questioning Ainge/Zarren/Stevens/whoever about the Kemba signing. Go through NBA history and look at small point guards like him -

Chris Paul - 35 years old and having an incredible season
Lowry - 35 years old. Just came off 6 straight All-Star seasons and having yet another great season
Patty Mills - 32 years and 244 days old. Having one of the best seasons ever in his career after just having had the best season of his career last season at 31 years old.
Conley - 33.5 years old. Made his first All-Star game.
Dame - he's 6'1 so not technically 6'0 and under but damn he's balling out at 30 years of age
Derrick Rose - 32 years old. His age 30+ seasons have been his best seasons in a long time since the devastating injury he suffered in his early 20s.
Lou Williams - 35 years old. His career took off when he turned 30 years old.

Let's roll it back a few years and look at small point guards from the past.

Jason Terry - had his best seasons after he turned 30.
Derek Fisher - best seasons are age 30 to 34 seasons.
Tony Parker - slightly over 6'0 but made the AS game in his age 30 and 31 seasons
Iverson - made several AS games past his age 30 season, had his most efficient seasons after turning 30.

I don't see any evidence that small point guards fall off when they turn 30. What I see is players who are bad to begin with struggling to stick in the league past 30 years of age (e.g. Darren Collison).

How many of those guys would you have given the max to though?

Paul - sure
Lowry - ok
Mills - no
Conley - no
Dame - of course
Rose - not after his injuries
Lou - no

JET - no
Fisher - no
Parker - maybe
Iverson - Fell off at 32

Small point guard lose athleticism after 30. So if they aren't great shooters, passers, or defenders, and they lose elite athleticism then they fall off. The guys you listed were great at something other than just being athletic. Kemba unfortunately is all about quickness.

Even Iverson who was way more athletically gifted than Kemba Walker -- Walker to be fair was/is the better 3 point shooter -- never won a playoff series after the age of 27. In fact, in the post season if folks are honest and look at his stats he struggled throughout his entire career. The year in which Philly made the finals, they weren't led by a good offense. They had a great playoff defense from the Mutombo trade. Mutombo was capable of cranking up the defense. Not like his old Denver days when he upset a #1 seed but the guy was incredible defensively in the post. Even Shaq if folks were honest would have been contained if the Finals were called like the NBA once was in the 1960's. Shaq would have had a lot of offensive fouls.

And with Iverson, Denver got better when they got Billups for him and Detroit got worse.

Parker was not paid the max by SAS and he was never worthy of the max on a team truly interested in winning championships. And Parker > Kemba Walker. Parker never reached 16 million a season and when SAS were winning championship, much less money than that.

Kemba Walker at the max was a disastrous signing. If I was Jason Tatum/Brown/Smart and found out that Kemba had 3 knee surgeries, I would have wanted to punch Wyc/Zarren/Stevens/Ainge/entire medical staff in the face repeatedly. And I am not violent. But that move messed with all of their careers/legacies. There are moves that don't work out like drafting Len Bias or Hayward getting injured but the bad gambles from the start are what is indefensible. The Celtics media covering the team needs to do much better since they should have been writing articles. Do not sign Kemba Walker. Celtics were the only playoff team interested in him at the max. Only one.

Lou Williams never made more than 8 million and a few years ago he gives you roughly what Kemba was likely to give you if Kemba's knees didn't implode.

[Shak_Celts]

FUNNY. KD had a whole twitter account to argue with fans and media. LBJ complained about the media's treatment of the Heat (not the only time). Two of the biggest names in the game and neither were as young as Brown and Tatum at the time! Brown didn't even complain about the media, he told Tatum they have to ignore it.

These people are humans, EVERYONE cares what people think of them and most of you only deal with around 10 who care to think anything about you so it's easy to say, "you shouldn't care what people think!" These young people have thousands of people coming at them whether it's good or bad, most people have social media platforms and are free to say what they want, the media has one of the more visible!

Some of the same people on here talking about what they would ignore are the same people getting into arguments on message boards over simple disagreements. Y'all resort to name calling over how good you think a player is and YOU'RE ANONYMOUS!! Pretty much no one knows you yet you feel slighted and attacked if people don't agree with you (myself included)! So don't act like you're above it!

The Jays are high level players in a league so few people make it to, people have been nitpicking things about them since they were very young, it's not human to block out everything people say, but they do a great job of it, look at where they are and who they are! They still work their asses off and go out and perform no matter what!

This doesn mean they don't deserve criticism, I'm simply saying, it isn't as easy to ignore all the things that come at them as people on a message board pretend it should be!

It’s fine for them to not be able to ignore it- they are only human after all and you are right it’s easier said than done but it’s one thing to not ignore it and another to speak up on it. The jays have been nothing but praised here by the media both in Boston and nationally. Everyone has talked about how poised and mature they are for their age and how bright the future is for them and the Celtics.

It was well deserved. They are really good young men and amazing at their profession regardless of what myself or other may say at times. However if you take all the praise that comes your way then you should also be able to take criticism, especially when it comes at you for the 1st time in your career and especially when your team is playing well well below expectations and capability.

Being a member of a message board and being anonymous isn’t the same as being paid millions of dollars to represent an organization. People nitpicking your game or play comes with the territory.

Agreed. To feel something about what someone says or thinks about you is human. To say something back is about ego and pride. And you know what they say "pride cometh before", right? What we all fail to remember in those times is that we NEVER actually change anyone's mind or opinion with what we say or even do. People CHOOSE to change their own minds or modify their opinions ON THEIR OWN based on assimilation of new information. So what people think of you is none of your business. It's not about what you're called. It's about what you answer to.

Ego is also human. I already gave you examples of people who spoke in the same manner (KD an extreme), I'm still waiting on KD and LBJ's fall. Just because what you're saying sounds good doesn't make it reality. I can pull out hundreds of quotes but I'm telling you that WE are doing the same thing with 20 people that they have to go through with thousands! Why is saying something back wrong? Who made that a rule? Seems like people make a lot of rules for others that they don't follow themselves. Saying how they should act is YOUR EGO speaking. Glass houses and stones or whatever.

[soxfan2003]

Celtics fans need to stop defending Ainge/Zarren/Wyc/Stevens about Kemba Walker.

Instead ridicule them all for that stupid decision or not being focused enough on championships or they will just repeat the Kemba mistake again with another short PG. All 4 probably had the power to stop the signing if they came out adamantly opposed to it and none of them did.

IMO even with knees of an 18 year old and better teammates, IT would have eventually failed in the playoffs. He would have gone from regular season fringe MVP candidate to a playoff liability that could just be used in spot minutes sooner or later. IT was a great regular season player with the Celtics but the game of basketball still heavily biased towards height/length. But at least with IT, the Celtics were paying him bench money and on the right team, at his best he could have been a 10-20 MPG spot player on a championship team if he accepted that role. But it was obviously not in his financial interests to accept that role.

Thanks to being taller, Kemba if healthy did project to be better than playoff IT against the better opponents but I still say that just isn't saying much since IT was going to struggle against quality size.

Only under 6"4 player since 1980 that proved he could truly carry a team like the bigger/taller superstars is Steph Curry. And Curry has incredible strength and is over 3 inches taller than Kemba. Kemba Walker is 5"11 according to Kemba himself. Some will say the original IT but if you watch those Detroit teams like I did and if you followed Isiah Thomas' career, you will realize when he was at his best, Detroit was just more of an average team. He actually declined a bit but Detroit became loaded with high quality players and Boston/LA declined.

Even if you forget shooting touch, most NBA players don't have the strength in their bodies to take normal shots or relatively normal shots from the distances that Steph Curry can. The skill gets a lot of praise but the strength is also amazing. That strength and increased height never turned him into Gary Payton on the defensive end or anything close to that but actually did turn him into a good defender for a PG overall. Reasonably hard for many players to post up and can rebound. Walker was always going to be a well below average playoff defender with the Celtics.

Not his fault. He gives a reasonable effort but he just has physical limitations. Some will say Lowry is a good defender for a PG and that is true but Lowry is built very differently and has a game not based as much on elite quickness. And Lowry is like a huge pest defensively and has been for many years. Kind of like a mini Marcus Smart. Kemba far from that.

[ParticleMan]

nobody expected Kemba to be the main guy in 2-3 years. he was the bridge. you can say "6-foot guards over 30 are always a bad idea to sign", and I wouldn't even disagree. but given where we were as a franchise, and what the timeline was for us competing, kemba was a solid signing. yes we overpaid, that is the nature of free agency. just saying "6-foot guards over 30 can't carry a team to a title" is extremely simplistic and not understanding the team building dynamics envisioned here.

look, it sucks he has lost his burst, and yes that could be expected. it was a 50-50 proposition. there are plenty of small guards who continue to play at a top level into their 30's. we could have gotten lucky with kemba. we didn't. it was a risk. you want to blame ainge/wyc for losing that bet? fine, that's fair, because it's their job to make winning bets on players. but given what we were facing, a slide back to mediocrity and irrelevance, it wasn't a bad gamble. it's only bad in hindsight because it didn't work out.

and it's not the end of the world either. kemba is a net negative but he is still a solid player. let's see what ainge can do this offseason.

[MagicBagley18]

It’s fine for them to not be able to ignore it- they are only human after all and you are right it’s easier said than done but it’s one thing to not ignore it and another to speak up on it. The jays have been nothing but praised here by the media both in Boston and nationally. Everyone has talked about how poised and mature they are for their age and how bright the future is for them and the Celtics.

It was well deserved. They are really good young men and amazing at their profession regardless of what myself or other may say at times. However if you take all the praise that comes your way then you should also be able to take criticism, especially when it comes at you for the 1st time in your career and especially when your team is playing well well below expectations and capability.

Being a member of a message board and being anonymous isn’t the same as being paid millions of dollars to represent an organization. People nitpicking your game or play comes with the territory.

Agreed. To feel something about what someone says or thinks about you is human. To say something back is about ego and pride. And you know what they say "pride cometh before", right? What we all fail to remember in those times is that we NEVER actually change anyone's mind or opinion with what we say or even do. People CHOOSE to change their own minds or modify their opinions ON THEIR OWN based on assimilation of new information. So what people think of you is none of your business. It's not about what you're called. It's about what you answer to.

Ego is also human. I already gave you examples of people who spoke in the same manner (KD an extreme), I'm still waiting on KD and LBJ's fall. Just because what you're saying sounds good doesn't make it reality. I can pull out hundreds of quotes but I'm telling you that WE are doing the same thing with 20 people that they have to go through with thousands! Why is saying something back wrong? Who made that a rule? Seems like people make a lot of rules for others that they don't follow themselves. Saying how they should act is YOUR EGO speaking. Glass houses and stones or whatever.

But KD having Twitter fingers and rabbit ears and lebron acting like he doesn’t care what the media says even tho he clearly does is also lame as hell and been much of the subject of their criticism of late- especially Durant. That said if KD and lebron are champions and mvp’s and they still get criticized for how they engage with fans on Twitter or react to the media....how can’t Jaylen brown?

It’s not wrong any man or woman or person can act however the hell they want it’s just lame as hell especially from guys who’ve had nothing but roses thrown at them in their entire careers. Now in a season when your team sucks ass u wanna call out/address/comment on the media? Did the media suck when they were writing stories about how Jaylen got snubbed on all star games last year?

[Fencer reregistered]

A large fraction of Celtics championships have been won with PGs listed as being 6' 1" (Cousy, KC Jones, Archibald, Rondo).

The exceptions were taller (White, DJ).

[bucknersrevenge]

It’s fine for them to not be able to ignore it- they are only human after all and you are right it’s easier said than done but it’s one thing to not ignore it and another to speak up on it. The jays have been nothing but praised here by the media both in Boston and nationally. Everyone has talked about how poised and mature they are for their age and how bright the future is for them and the Celtics.

It was well deserved. They are really good young men and amazing at their profession regardless of what myself or other may say at times. However if you take all the praise that comes your way then you should also be able to take criticism, especially when it comes at you for the 1st time in your career and especially when your team is playing well well below expectations and capability.

Being a member of a message board and being anonymous isn’t the same as being paid millions of dollars to represent an organization. People nitpicking your game or play comes with the territory.

Agreed. To feel something about what someone says or thinks about you is human. To say something back is about ego and pride. And you know what they say "pride cometh before", right? What we all fail to remember in those times is that we NEVER actually change anyone's mind or opinion with what we say or even do. People CHOOSE to change their own minds or modify their opinions ON THEIR OWN based on assimilation of new information. So what people think of you is none of your business. It's not about what you're called. It's about what you answer to.

Ego is also human. I already gave you examples of people who spoke in the same manner (KD an extreme), I'm still waiting on KD and LBJ's fall. Just because what you're saying sounds good doesn't make it reality. I can pull out hundreds of quotes but I'm telling you that WE are doing the same thing with 20 people that they have to go through with thousands! Why is saying something back wrong? Who made that a rule? Seems like people make a lot of rules for others that they don't follow themselves. Saying how they should act is YOUR EGO speaking. Glass houses and stones or whatever.

Shak, I'm not disagreeing with you on the human factor. I'm not suggesting that they have to be inhuman in this regard either. Nor am I'm not even saying that them saying something back is inherently wrong. I'm asking "What good does it serve?" Does anything good come of these types of responses? So long as the athlete understands the risks and ramifications of engaging in these types of back-and-forths, hey do you. Every once in a blue moon, the occasional soundbite won't kill you. But repeatedly engaging the media and fans in that way is going to hurt you more than it hurts them.

[Shak_Celts]

Agreed. To feel something about what someone says or thinks about you is human. To say something back is about ego and pride. And you know what they say "pride cometh before", right? What we all fail to remember in those times is that we NEVER actually change anyone's mind or opinion with what we say or even do. People CHOOSE to change their own minds or modify their opinions ON THEIR OWN based on assimilation of new information. So what people think of you is none of your business. It's not about what you're called. It's about what you answer to.

Ego is also human. I already gave you examples of people who spoke in the same manner (KD an extreme), I'm still waiting on KD and LBJ's fall. Just because what you're saying sounds good doesn't make it reality. I can pull out hundreds of quotes but I'm telling you that WE are doing the same thing with 20 people that they have to go through with thousands! Why is saying something back wrong? Who made that a rule? Seems like people make a lot of rules for others that they don't follow themselves. Saying how they should act is YOUR EGO speaking. Glass houses and stones or whatever.

But KD having Twitter fingers and rabbit ears and lebron acting like he doesn’t care what the media says even tho he clearly does is also lame as hell and been much of the subject of their criticism of late- especially Durant. That said if KD and lebron are champions and mvp’s and they still get criticized for how they engage with fans on Twitter or react to the media....how can’t Jaylen brown?

It’s not wrong any man or woman or person can act however the hell they want it’s just lame as hell especially from guys who’ve had nothing but roses thrown at them in their entire careers. Now in a season when your team sucks ass u wanna call out/address/comment on the media? Did the media suck when they were writing stories about how Jaylen got snubbed on all star games last year?

why is it lame tho? they can be criticized but they aren't allowed to speak back? Yes, the media still sucked. You guys are doing exactly what some media personalities do, basically, tell them to "shut up and dribble." why? the jays deserve the criticism but the media doesn't? okay. w/e. I'm debating this and I still don't know what either said for this reaction anyway. The only thing JB said when this started was that he told Tatum they should ignore it and play, pretty much exactly what you are saying. Smart called someone out (have you ever listened to Sherrod?). I think TT did but maybe not by name. Who did they hurt? If the media can't take the heat...

most folks like it when people speak well of them and most people don't like it when they speak ill of them. people can criticize as often as they please but don't call it wrong when the person they criticize snaps back.


buck, "what good does it serve?" that's something you need to ask them. Like I asked MB, who did they hurt? I don't KNOW what their point of speaking out was but why does it matter? What risks? What is the media going to do, criticize them more? LOL

[MagicBagley18]

Ego is also human. I already gave you examples of people who spoke in the same manner (KD an extreme), I'm still waiting on KD and LBJ's fall. Just because what you're saying sounds good doesn't make it reality. I can pull out hundreds of quotes but I'm telling you that WE are doing the same thing with 20 people that they have to go through with thousands! Why is saying something back wrong? Who made that a rule? Seems like people make a lot of rules for others that they don't follow themselves. Saying how they should act is YOUR EGO speaking. Glass houses and stones or whatever.

But KD having Twitter fingers and rabbit ears and lebron acting like he doesn’t care what the media says even tho he clearly does is also lame as hell and been much of the subject of their criticism of late- especially Durant. That said if KD and lebron are champions and mvp’s and they still get criticized for how they engage with fans on Twitter or react to the media....how can’t Jaylen brown?

It’s not wrong any man or woman or person can act however the hell they want it’s just lame as hell especially from guys who’ve had nothing but roses thrown at them in their entire careers. Now in a season when your team sucks ass u wanna call out/address/comment on the media? Did the media suck when they were writing stories about how Jaylen got snubbed on all star games last year?

why is it lame tho? they can be criticized but they aren't allowed to speak back? Yes, the media still sucked. You guys are doing exactly what some media personalities do, basically, tell them to "shut up and dribble." why? the jays deserve the criticism but the media doesn't? okay. w/e. I'm debating this and I still don't know what either said for this reaction anyway. The only thing JB said when this started was that he told Tatum they should ignore it and play, pretty much exactly what you are saying. Smart called someone out (have you ever listened to Sherrod?). I think TT did but maybe not by name. Who did they hurt? If the media can't take the heat...

most folks like it when people speak well of them and most people don't like it when they speak ill of them. people can criticize as often as they please but don't call it wrong when the person they criticize snaps back.


buck, "what good does it serve?" that's something you need to ask them. Like I asked MB, who did they hurt? I don't KNOW what their point of speaking out was but why does it matter? What risks? What is the media going to do, criticize them more? LOL

I’m absolutely not telling him to shut up and dribble and actually cringe at that suggestion tbh and think that’s pretty low for you to even suggest. But when it comes down to being accused of that I’ll just bow out of this convo and agree to disagree.

But hey yea your right it’s a good look for a face of the franchise to speak back to the media negatively the 1st sign of adversity.

[bucknersrevenge]

Ego is also human. I already gave you examples of people who spoke in the same manner (KD an extreme), I'm still waiting on KD and LBJ's fall. Just because what you're saying sounds good doesn't make it reality. I can pull out hundreds of quotes but I'm telling you that WE are doing the same thing with 20 people that they have to go through with thousands! Why is saying something back wrong? Who made that a rule? Seems like people make a lot of rules for others that they don't follow themselves. Saying how they should act is YOUR EGO speaking. Glass houses and stones or whatever.

But KD having Twitter fingers and rabbit ears and lebron acting like he doesn’t care what the media says even tho he clearly does is also lame as hell and been much of the subject of their criticism of late- especially Durant. That said if KD and lebron are champions and mvp’s and they still get criticized for how they engage with fans on Twitter or react to the media....how can’t Jaylen brown?

It’s not wrong any man or woman or person can act however the hell they want it’s just lame as hell especially from guys who’ve had nothing but roses thrown at them in their entire careers. Now in a season when your team sucks ass u wanna call out/address/comment on the media? Did the media suck when they were writing stories about how Jaylen got snubbed on all star games last year?

why is it lame tho? they can be criticized but they aren't allowed to speak back? Yes, the media still sucked. You guys are doing exactly what some media personalities do, basically, tell them to "shut up and dribble." why? the jays deserve the criticism but the media doesn't? okay. w/e. I'm debating this and I still don't know what either said for this reaction anyway. The only thing JB said when this started was that he told Tatum they should ignore it and play, pretty much exactly what you are saying. Smart called someone out (have you ever listened to Sherrod?). I think TT did but maybe not by name. Who did they hurt? If the media can't take the heat...

most folks like it when people speak well of them and most people don't like it when they speak ill of them. people can criticize as often as they please but don't call it wrong when the person they criticize snaps back.


buck, "what good does it serve?" that's something you need to ask them. Like I asked MB, who did they hurt? I don't KNOW what their point of speaking out was but why does it matter? What risks? What is the media going to do, criticize them more? LOL

These kids aren't dumb. They know how this game is played. Media says stuff for clicks, listeners, and shock value. If they can bait athletes into responding, it boosts the media's person's visibility if anything. Back-and-forths only help one side, and it's not the athletes. One-offs where you make maybe one comment to refute someone who is just "on one" are fine, when done very sporadically and tongue-in-cheek. If they want to vent to each other, to family, to their agent, to their psychologist, so be it. But to answer the first question last, it serves their pride. Their need to stick up for themselves and/or share their side of the story. I get that. And I don't think anyone here is telling these players to shut up and dribble. First off, that ventures into a completely different kind of connotation that I don't think any of us are trying to wade into (though I wouldn't put it past A FEW in the Boston media). All I'm saying (and possibly MB though I don't want to put words in his mouth) is that Jaylen should be careful of giving he media too much of what THEY want, which is soundbites.

[Taget]

The mediocre middle of the east is still incredibly scrunched up. We're now only 1 game behind the third place Hawks(!?!?) and 2 games ahead of the 9th seed Pacers. We're also 6.5 games behind the the 3rd place Bucks and 7.5 games ahead of the 12th seed Wizards.

The potential of this team to be in top bracket of the playoffs or go in the lottery with just a few wins or losses here and there is astounding. We may be mediocre this year but still have a lot of company in the Eastern Conference.