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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21 

Post#1921 » by 31to6 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:33 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:Why trade up to a spot where you could get your potential center for the future in Okongwu but instead move that pick for one season(and a shortened one) of Holiday? Danny needs to pick a lane.


I guess if I wanted to get the #7 or 8 pick and a shot to land Okongwu I might bluff that I’m shipping all three picks for the #6 pick in some bs deal that’s never going to happen.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21 

Post#1922 » by Captain_Caveman » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:34 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Mr McNamara doesn’t seem very credible to me.


He was pretty on point throughout the AD thing, but he's a maniacal egomaniac who likes to stir ****.

Probably a better track record overall than the Hawks dude, though.
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Post#1923 » by Green89 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:36 pm

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MaxwellSmart wrote:Everyone saying we can't trade Kemba cause it would look bad, But his KNEE might be the reason.

Doubt Hayward would wanna go anywhere but Indiana.


Knee or not, after what happened with IT and then if Hayward and Kemba go, we won't get any free agent bites for a decade or more.

No one cares about any of that ****. The only reason players go anywhere is because they get the most money there. You think Giannis or any worthwhile free agent signing is going to weigh his decision based on how the GM traded a washed up player 6 season ago?


Agents and players will care if we dealt three injured players in a row, two of them choosing to sign here as a FA.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21 

Post#1924 » by Jammer » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:37 pm

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Patsfan1081 wrote:Why trade up to a spot where you could get your potential center for the future in Okongwu but instead move that pick for one season(and a shortened one) of Holiday? Danny needs to pick a lane.


I guess if I wanted to get the #7 or 8 pick and a shot to land Okongwu I might bluff that I’m shipping all three picks for the #6 pick in some bs deal that’s never going to happen.

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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21 

Post#1925 » by Captain_Caveman » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:37 pm

captain green wrote:I'm going to pass on Hayward three picks for jrue that's a super dumb trade for us


But if we throw in Kemba and also land Turner, I will give that trade a foot massage.

Smart/JRue/Jaylen/Tatum/Turner is pure filth.
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Post#1926 » by Bleeding Green » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:43 pm

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Knee or not, after what happened with IT and then if Hayward and Kemba go, we won't get any free agent bites for a decade or more.

No one cares about any of that ****. The only reason players go anywhere is because they get the most money there. You think Giannis or any worthwhile free agent signing is going to weigh his decision based on how the GM traded a washed up player 6 season ago?


Agents and players will care if we dealt three injured players in a row, two of them choosing to sign here as a FA.

I don't buy it. Players and agents aren't fans, they are mercenaries who want to win and get paid, not in that order. Hayward signed here after the Celtics traded IT. They signed Walker after they let Kyrie go. After they apparently **** over Baynes. But the days of having capspace like that is likely over with Tatum getting maxed soon so it's really a nonissue either way. Players are now not going to sign in Boston because they don't have capspace to do so.
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Post#1927 » by aporel18 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:43 pm

Boston gets: Justin Holiday(S&T at 5M/year), Myles Turner, right to swap picks with Indiana in 2023
Boston sends: Theis, Hayward

Indiana gets: Theis, Hayward, a protected 2nd rounder from Atlanta
Indiana sends: Justin Holiday(S&T), Myles Turner, right to swap picks to Boston in 2023

Atlanta gets: Oladipo
Atlanta sends: a protected 2nd rounder to Indiana

why for Boston: two rotation pieces and cuts 17M in salaries, and an option at a future draft.

why for Indiana: they get their guy and Theis who is a bargain, and get rid of Oladipo's troubles

why for Atlanta: they aren't getting Hayward, but they take on a guy on a 21M expiring contract, who could turn out to be the best player or the most valuable asset in this trade.
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Post#1928 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:53 pm

Oladipo will be trying to talk his way out of Atlanta the second after that trade was announced. But hey, they get him for a second round pick, so I guess that's not so bad. LOL, had Oladipo's stock dropped THAT much?
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21 

Post#1929 » by jayu70 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:58 pm

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GoCeltics123 wrote:
Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter


I remember people on this board quoted this guy's tweets a lot in the AD chase? But this is the Jrue stuff


All of that seems like complete bs because if the Hawks wanted Hayward they could just sign him. They're not trading down from 6 to 14 AND giving up young players in the process to get an opted in Hayward instead of signing Hayward after he opts out.

It most likely is based on the Hawks beater writer indicating that the Hawks have already moved on from acquiring Jrue:
One rumor that emerged Wednesday from the New York Times’ Marc Stein is that Hawks could be a landing spot for New Orleans guard Jrue Holiday in a three-team deal. I was told by multiple sources that the Hawks are not a destination for Holiday. An acquisition of him would have to include the sixth pick and potentially two young players, from what I’ve been told. The Hawks are not interested in making such a move for someone who is 30 years old and on an expiring contract. There’s no doubt that Holiday would be an excellent fit next to Young in the backcourt because of his defensive prowess and ability to be a secondary playmaker, but such a deal would be better suited for a team looking to win a championship this year, and the Hawks aren’t in that conversation. They certainly could be involved in a three-team deal with New Orleans, where the main piece is Holiday, but it’s not a situation where he would play for Atlanta. If the Hawks could just give up the sixth pick and some other smaller pieces, it might be considered, but a deal that involves giving up two young players isn’t in the picture.

So I don't see the Hawks giving up #6 to facilitate a Hayward trade when he can opt out if he really is interested in signing with Atlanta on a long term deal.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21 

Post#1930 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:07 am

jayu70 wrote:
yeleven11 wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:
Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter


I remember people on this board quoted this guy's tweets a lot in the AD chase? But this is the Jrue stuff


All of that seems like complete bs because if the Hawks wanted Hayward they could just sign him. They're not trading down from 6 to 14 AND giving up young players in the process to get an opted in Hayward instead of signing Hayward after he opts out.

It most likely is based on the Hawks beater writer indicating that the Hawks have already moved on from acquiring Jrue:
One rumor that emerged Wednesday from the New York Times’ Marc Stein is that Hawks could be a landing spot for New Orleans guard Jrue Holiday in a three-team deal. I was told by multiple sources that the Hawks are not a destination for Holiday. An acquisition of him would have to include the sixth pick and potentially two young players, from what I’ve been told. The Hawks are not interested in making such a move for someone who is 30 years old and on an expiring contract. There’s no doubt that Holiday would be an excellent fit next to Young in the backcourt because of his defensive prowess and ability to be a secondary playmaker, but such a deal would be better suited for a team looking to win a championship this year, and the Hawks aren’t in that conversation. They certainly could be involved in a three-team deal with New Orleans, where the main piece is Holiday, but it’s not a situation where he would play for Atlanta. If the Hawks could just give up the sixth pick and some other smaller pieces, it might be considered, but a deal that involves giving up two young players isn’t in the picture.

So I don't see the Hawks giving up #6 to facilitate a Hayward trade when he can opt out if he really is interested in signing with Atlanta on a long term deal.
https://theathletic.com/2191275/?source=twittered


The only wrinkle your ignoring is that Hayward knows hes going to be traded and may not be interested in bypassing 38.2M next season.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21 

Post#1931 » by jayu70 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:11 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
yeleven11 wrote:
All of that seems like complete bs because if the Hawks wanted Hayward they could just sign him. They're not trading down from 6 to 14 AND giving up young players in the process to get an opted in Hayward instead of signing Hayward after he opts out.

It most likely is based on the Hawks beater writer indicating that the Hawks have already moved on from acquiring Jrue:
One rumor that emerged Wednesday from the New York Times’ Marc Stein is that Hawks could be a landing spot for New Orleans guard Jrue Holiday in a three-team deal. I was told by multiple sources that the Hawks are not a destination for Holiday. An acquisition of him would have to include the sixth pick and potentially two young players, from what I’ve been told. The Hawks are not interested in making such a move for someone who is 30 years old and on an expiring contract. There’s no doubt that Holiday would be an excellent fit next to Young in the backcourt because of his defensive prowess and ability to be a secondary playmaker, but such a deal would be better suited for a team looking to win a championship this year, and the Hawks aren’t in that conversation. They certainly could be involved in a three-team deal with New Orleans, where the main piece is Holiday, but it’s not a situation where he would play for Atlanta. If the Hawks could just give up the sixth pick and some other smaller pieces, it might be considered, but a deal that involves giving up two young players isn’t in the picture.

So I don't see the Hawks giving up #6 to facilitate a Hayward trade when he can opt out if he really is interested in signing with Atlanta on a long term deal.
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The only wrinkle your ignoring is that Hayward knows hes going to be traded and may not be interested in bypassing 38.2M next season.

No wrinkle, he opts in, Hawks are not a trade partner since he will still be a 1 year deal that ties up $38 million of their $42 million cap. Just like Jrue, Hawks aren't interested in giving up significant value in any such deals for players on 1 year deals.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21 

Post#1932 » by MagicBagley18 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:12 am

It’s holiday or turner not BOTH imo...just not gonna happen. Secondly, on the surface 3 1sts to land jrue holiday seems way high but the reality is we are backed into a corner here.

It sucks but that’s the breaks. we lose Hayward for nothing or we use picks to get a pretty decent replacement back who fits here. Letting Hayward just “leave” like some here suggest is just moron business that bad teams let happen and unfortunately we really don’t have too much say because Hayward can opt out and jus sign with Atlanta.

If you can turn a leaving Hayward into holiday- who keeps the team afloat and adds flexibility next season when we can sign holiday and move kemba it’s a win. U can’t move kemba now, they won’t. They can in a year- it looks better and his deal is way more feasible via trade.

Turning a leaving free agent into jrue holiday is making chicken **** into chicken salad.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21 

Post#1933 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:21 am

Hayward is opting in. No one is paying him Horford money in a long term deal. He might get a decent deal as an unrestricted FA next year, but not this year when so many teams are hurting financially.

These proposed deals are insane. Ainge sometimes drafts poorly, but never gets hosed in trades. And if Ainge really thinks that Miles Turner is the answer for the Celtics then he ought to find another job.

So if Hayward leaves, the Celtics use their Bird rights on a few guys to get above the cap, and sign Crowder for the full MLE. Jae gives you 95% of what Hayward gives you for 1/3 of the cost, and Crowder will show up every night.
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Post#1934 » by MagicBagley18 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:22 am

Read the room guys- losing Hayward for nothing is the path we are trying to avoid. Gimme holiday.
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Post#1935 » by Festurs » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:23 am

I can’t understand this trade at all. I get that Hayward May want to leave but why in the hell are we giving up 3 first round picks to get a redundant guard?
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Post#1936 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:23 am

Nope. Holiday gives the Celtics the smallest backcourt in the league. Jrue makes no sense unless Kemba is headed out.
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Post#1937 » by MagicBagley18 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:26 am

Curmudgeon wrote:Nope. Holiday gives the Celtics the smallest backcourt in the league. Jrue makes no sense unless Kemba is headed out.


He’s 6’4 with all nba defensive, great teammate, high IQ, and can score when needs to. Find me a way to turn Hayward into something better? And no Sabonis isn’t on the table.
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Post#1938 » by djFan71 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:31 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
captain green wrote:I'm going to pass on Hayward three picks for jrue that's a super dumb trade for us


But if we throw in Kemba and also land Turner, I will give that trade a foot massage.

Smart/JRue/Jaylen/Tatum/Turner is pure filth.

I'd be on board that way, but where is Kemba going? ATL/IND/NOP don't seem to have a need, so you're up to a 5 way with the Knicks or some other team???

EDIT: If Hayward ends up on IND, then ATL isn't needed, so you just need a 4th team as the Kemba destination.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21 

Post#1939 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:36 am

If Hayward wants to opt out I'll drive him to the airport so he can save on the cab fare. I'll even rent a minivan so he can take the whole family.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21 

Post#1940 » by celticfan42487 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:36 am

MagicBagley18 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Nope. Holiday gives the Celtics the smallest backcourt in the league. Jrue makes no sense unless Kemba is headed out.


He’s 6’4 with all nba defensive, great teammate, high IQ, and can score when needs to. Find me a way to turn Hayward into something better? And no Sabonis isn’t on the table.


Yeah and I was lukewarm on the deal... but for those dead set against it.

Look at the money it saves Boston. Avoding the luxury tax this season to reset the repeater clock is paramount and a sound strategy for again our real target years.

Which isn't 2020-2021

But more like 2023/2024/2025 when Brown and Tatum are in their primes and Smart will still have a couple of good years left hopefully (who knows, injury prone with limited athleticism as is one milisecond of lost agility for him would be a game changer).
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