Trade Thread #8: All Gordon things come to an End

[MagicBagley18]

Imagine not wanting to move brown for beal and James harden lol

[Fencer reregistered]

The will win the East if they stay healthy. Book it, Dano. I'm talking about the last team standing, not regular season records.

Yes, but there's less margin for health error than when Hayward was here.

We would have gone to the Finals this season if Kemba's knee had been fine, even in light of Hayward's injury, but it would have been close. Next season we will be less able to afford to lose one of our top players.

[Gomes3PC]

Imagine not wanting to move brown for beal and James harden lol

Beal to me is a point-blank no-brainer. His age, connection with Tatum, and ability to fit his game around basically any type of player makes him the IDEAL guy to go after.

I just have no idea if WAS will ever give him up unless he forces his way out. I think they legitimately hope Wall comes back and is 90-95% of his old self and all of as sudden you've probably got a playoff team in the East between those two and a bit of development from their frontcourt.

[Patsfan1081]

Late lottery or mid-round.

Terry Rozier/Al Jefferson/Kelly Olynyk territory.

Also, at #14
Michael Porter, Bam Adebayo, TJ Warren

IMO Nesmith should have been picked much higher. Dude shot over 50 percent from 3. He has a NBA body as well. Not sure you could ask much more if your Ainge. He probably would have picked him even if he had the 8th pick.

33% as a freshman though. I think he’s somewhere inberween. A lot of time off and no summer league makes me wonder how long it will take to get acclimated.

[MagicBagley18]

Imagine not wanting to move brown for beal and James harden lol

Beal to me is a point-blank no-brainer. His age, connection with Tatum, and ability to fit his game around basically any type of player makes him the IDEAL guy to go after.

I just have no idea if WAS will ever give him up unless he forces his way out. I think they legitimately hope Wall comes back and is 90-95% of his old self and all of as sudden you've probably got a playoff team in the East between those two and a bit of development from their frontcourt.

Of course he is. That’s the whole point trade in an ok-good player for an elite one. Beals defense sucked last year but on a good team he’ll be engaged and is capable. Either way no brainer

[ConstableGeneva]

Hollinger's summary of the Celtics' situation, including what a S&T with Charlotte would entail:



Source (The Athletic via Hoopshype): https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1414077/

Their MLE wouldn’t have been enough to get Thompson, this team would be looking at Noel/Boucher type talent. Not sure why this gets left out. I don’t really see why they would have to pony up an asset either if it meant CHA needing to stretch Batum or not.

Is the Thompson deal signed or could we in principle change it to a S&T w/ Cleveland's help?

I know we'd be hard capped either way, but preserving the MLE would still add to our flexibility a bit (e.g. by taking Teague into it and preserving the Biannual Exception, or by being able to later add a late-season cut vet player for more than the vet minimum, or simply by adding somebody else now we otherwise wouldn't have).

Ooh, cool idea. Can even fold the Hayward trade into it. But only if Hornets are willing to part with Rozier.

Something like...
BOS gets Thompson at $9M+, $18.5M TPE
CHA gets Hayward, Exum
CLE gets Rozier

Cs preserve MLE or sign someone with it. Not sure if anyone's still available who's worth that.

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

The will win the East if they stay healthy. Book it, Dano. I'm talking about the last team standing, not regular season records.

I have them 2nd ...

[MagicBagley18]

The will win the East if they stay healthy. Book it, Dano. I'm talking about the last team standing, not regular season records.

I have them 2nd ...

Round out?

[Higgs Boston]

How many years they need to make a **** S&T?

[sprash9802]

How many years they need to make a **** S&T?

Maybe we shouldn't get our hopes up about it. Charlotte is under no obligation to do it, and not to mention, it's gonna. take a third team to pull it off anyway.

[Curmudgeon]

The will win the East if they stay healthy. Book it, Dano. I'm talking about the last team standing, not regular season records.

Yes, but there's less margin for health error than when Hayward was here.

We would have gone to the Finals this season if Kemba's knee had been fine, even in light of Hayward's injury, but it would have been close. Next season we will be less able to afford to lose one of our top players.

Nah, it's all about Kemba's knee. 90% of Hayward's production can be easily replaced off the street. Shaq Harrison, Hollis-Jefferson, CJ Miles and MKG are still out there. And that's just the wings.

[sully00]

Hollinger's summary of the Celtics' situation, including what a S&T with Charlotte would entail:



Source (The Athletic via Hoopshype): https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1414077/

Their MLE wouldn’t have been enough to get Thompson, this team would be looking at Noel/Boucher type talent. Not sure why this gets left out. I don’t really see why they would have to pony up an asset either if it meant CHA needing to stretch Batum or not.

Is the Thompson deal signed or could we in principle change it to a S&T w/ Cleveland's help?

I know we'd be hard capped either way, but preserving the MLE would still add to our flexibility a bit (e.g. by taking Teague into it and preserving the Biannual Exception, or by being able to later add a late-season cut vet player for more than the vet minimum, or simply by adding somebody else now we otherwise wouldn't have).

That is the thing at this point if you had kept or gotten a return on Hayward then you were out on the Not Tax Payer MLE. To me obviously the TPE could be useful down the road. But from a financial perspective the player I would have interest in is Malik Monk and some guys that we can just cut and then take TPE for the remainder. Monk may be a total bust but he is an expiring $5mil with some upside. While it may cost Boston a significant transaction this season staying out of the lux tax this year is a massive gain for this franchise moving forward. They would be able to go over for two consecutive years before repeater kicks in.

[Celts17Pride]

Imagine not wanting to move brown for beal and James harden lol

Beal - Yes
Harden - No way

Harden is toxic

[Curmudgeon]

I could live with Kemba Walker to the Bulls for Otto Porter (expiring) and another player. Maybe Satoransky. It might depend on how much you believe in Tremont Waters as a viable NBA point guard, although Satoransky wouldn't be bad as Smart's backup.

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[sully00]

How many years they need to make a **** S&T?

Maybe we shouldn't get our hopes up about it. Charlotte is under no obligation to do it, and not to mention, it's gonna. take a third team to pull it off anyway.

This is the rub right now this transaction as proposed by CHA is awful TPE aside. It is going to be complicated for them to create that 8 mil of cap space without stretching and waiving Batum but that really is a burden on their cap moving forward and their roster is super thin.

If I was CHA my focus would be on finding another way to get this deal done if that involves Boston great but not a focus.

[greenroom31]

If I'm Ainge the number one priority over the next year or two is finding a way to pair Beal and Tatum.

Wall is already asking to be traded and Beal has a player option for 2022-23. That means that Beal can become an unrestricted FA at the end of next season and Washington risks losing him for nothing. If Washington has another predictably **** season the bidding will be intense, but Ainge has got to figure out how to do whatever it takes to get him (i.e. Jaylen, Smart, other young guys who hopefully develop, picks, etc).

Signing Beal to a long-term deal is great not only because he's awesome, but also because it majorly increases the chances of keeping Tatum since they are St. Louis friends from back in the day. I know this is premature, but the planning should start now on how to put together the best package possible for Beal in a year.

[sprash9802]

We REALLY need another wing. Our depth as of this moment, is WORSE than last year, which I thought was not possible. Danny may have lost the big picture, while trying to squeeze the Pacers for blood.

[sprash9802]

How many years they need to make a **** S&T?

Maybe we shouldn't get our hopes up about it. Charlotte is under no obligation to do it, and not to mention, it's gonna. take a third team to pull it off anyway.

This is the rub right now this transaction as proposed by CHA is awful TPE aside. It is going to be complicated for them to create that 8 mil of cap space without stretching and waiving Batum but that really is a burden on their cap moving forward and their roster is super thin.

If I was CHA my focus would be on finding another way to get this deal done if that involves Boston great but not a focus.

I agree... They have NO players we would actually want. And who is gonna want to help Danny out now?

[ConstableGeneva]

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