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chrisab123 wrote:I'm sorry but if all it takes to get Lonzo and Reddick is Romeo and the TPE I'll be at the garden to pick him up around 7.
PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
keevsnick1 wrote:So on Lonzo. The guy has been pretty brutal this year. He has a 48.2 TS%, as compared to Marcus Smart who has a 52.8 % TS. He has a lower AST% than Smart with a 21.4% vs 24.9% and a higher turnover rate than you'd like at 16.7% vs 12.3% for Smart. So he's a clearly worse offensive player than Smart right now. He's a great passer in transition situations, but his complete lack of ability to generate offense in the half court means his passing ability doesn't translate real well to half court sets. He is shooting below 30% on threes so he has no outside gravity. He's having literally n one of the worst high output shooting seasons on record. And obviously he isn't as good defensively as Smart, although its really hard to evaluate him in that regard since that entire team has stunk on the defensive end. Most important I don't see him being strong enough to defend bigger wings.
Now look, maybe he's just having an off year. If he's more like what he was last year than this year then he's a fine addition as a 3+D guy with some extra passing ie a Marcus Smart ish guy. But this year he hasn't been that yet and using assets on a guy like that is a risk. As always it depends on the price, and what else is available (ie the opportunity cost).
Reddick meanwhile just looks like toast, pass.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Some people who dont want Lonzo would be saying funny things about Smart if he werent on our team
He has made every team better whenever he is on the court. He’s a winning player who moves the ball. But please, educate me on how Jeff Teague is the better option
Wasting a first round pick to bolster our backup PG spot for what, a little over half a season, doesn’t exactly scream great value to me. You can’t even let this guy be a primary ball handler during close games because his shooting from the line is atrocious.
Its a late FRP. And a guy you’d hope to retain.
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:bucknersrevenge wrote:Darth Celtic wrote:Ever watch him play? Zach is about zach. Win or lose he is getting his. Sometimes good players just play on bad teams. This isn't the case. Zach won't win because he makes his team worse everyday he goes.
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I don't know a ton about LaVine and doubt he's even on the market anyway. Just wondering how did LaVine get this rep that he only cares about himself? Was it something he said? Or did? Yes LaVine's teams haven't won much but they weren't winning much before he got there either. And Minny hasn't won since he left. Consider that a number of Minny players have been labeled as either selfish or not winning players or both (KG, KAT, Jimmy, LaVine, Wiggins) Is it possible that maybe Chicago and especially Minnesota are just poorly run organizations who don't set their teams up to win so they don't. AD was a losing player before last year. Not picking a fight with you just wondering, how do we know the difference?
Lavine led the revolt against Jim Boylen. Granted - Boylen is a bad coach, but organizing his teammates to not show up for practice because Boylen was working them too hard, and then crying to the players’ union about it?? I dunno. Doesn’t seem like a guy who I’d want on my team.
OBisHalJordan wrote:Could DA get Drummond with the TPE? Is it worth doing just to keep him from the Nets?
https://www.netsdaily.com/2021/1/27/22252495/nets-and-andre-drummond-second-reporter-suggests-buyout-and-link-up
keevsnick1 wrote:So on Lonzo. The guy has been pretty brutal this year. He has a 48.2 TS%, as compared to Marcus Smart who has a 52.8 % TS. He has a lower AST% than Smart with a 21.4% vs 24.9% and a higher turnover rate than you'd like at 16.7% vs 12.3% for Smart. So he's a clearly worse offensive player than Smart right now. He's a great passer in transition situations, but his complete lack of ability to generate offense in the half court means his passing ability doesn't translate real well to half court sets. He is shooting below 30% on threes so he has no outside gravity. He's having literally n one of the worst high output shooting seasons on record. And obviously he isn't as good defensively as Smart, although its really hard to evaluate him in that regard since that entire team has stunk on the defensive end. Most important I don't see him being strong enough to defend bigger wings.
Now look, maybe he's just having an off year. If he's more like what he was last year than this year then he's a fine addition as a 3+D guy with some extra passing ie a Marcus Smart ish guy. But this year he hasn't been that yet and using assets on a guy like that is a risk. As always it depends on the price, and what else is available (ie the opportunity cost).
Reddick meanwhile just looks like toast, pass.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:
greenroom31 wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:
...Flash back to all the advanced analytics people before the draft talking about how Lonzo was basically going to be the best player ever and his shooting would be fine despite his heinous form...
SmartWentCrazy wrote:greenroom31 wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:
...Flash back to all the advanced analytics people before the draft talking about how Lonzo was basically going to be the best player ever and his shooting would be fine despite his heinous form...
There was one user who really went at me for being much higher on Tatum than Lonzo. Lonzo was a basketball genius while Tatum was a mid-range heavy wing who couldnt shoot and was a black hole.
Tough call for him.
PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:greenroom31 wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:
...Flash back to all the advanced analytics people before the draft talking about how Lonzo was basically going to be the best player ever and his shooting would be fine despite his heinous form...
There was one user who really went at me for being much higher on Tatum than Lonzo. Lonzo was a basketball genius while Tatum was a mid-range heavy wing who couldnt shoot and was a black hole.
Tough call for him.
ddb wrote:I want nothing to do with Lonzo. He and his family would do nothing but complain if he was coming off the bench. there will be another team that has way more interest in Lonzo than Boston. Hard pass on LBALL
SmartWentCrazy wrote:ddb wrote:I want nothing to do with Lonzo. He and his family would do nothing but complain if he was coming off the bench. there will be another team that has way more interest in Lonzo than Boston. Hard pass on LBALL
He had a major falling out with his dad. They since reconciled, but they went an extended period without talking to each other. Theres a reason you havent heard from LaVar about Lonzo since he got trades to NO.
