The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[cl2117]

I think the big thing with the C's has to be not trying to fix everything in one move. We can get incrementally better and some of those small changes will have larger impacts because the whole team will start performing better.

Biggest areas of need are clearly a PG who can facilitate and shooting. We don't need to get it all at the same time.

The PG who can be the "straw that stirs the drink" is going to be harder to find right now as CelticFaninLBC broke down above. That's fine, no need to force it, just be ready to try and strike if/when one of those guys becomes available.

Shooting is something we should be able to go out and get right now. Two guys I saw floated by other teams for Smart were Bogdan Bogdanovic in Atlanta and Joe Harris in Brooklyn. I think the former is more realistic than the latter, but both would be welcome additions on the wing. Guys you can count on to knock down an open 3 on a kick out or double team of Tatum/Brown would go a LONG way to fixing some of our biggest issues (assuming the Jays buy in to less ISO and more ball movement).

I'm a big Smart fan, I buy into all his non-counting stats impact, but swapping his terrible shooting for guys who are the opposite is something I'd jump at right now. It's a big swing in terms of offensive talent and we've already got a solid group in terms of defensive talent and a coach who is supposed to be geared towards that side of things anyway. On top of that we can all acknowledge this team needs a serious shakeup. Moving the longest tenured player and a guy who is probably the strongest voice in the locker room will do that for you good or bad.

ATL: Smart
BOS: Bogi

And then I'd look to snag TJ McConnell from Indy. He's not going to solve a lot of your problems, but he's a tough defender and a solid facilitator. He should lessen the loss of Smart and let the C's experiment with getting the ball out of the Jays hands more often. Plus he shouldn't really cost much at all given Indy is on the verge of blowing it up.

They're not moves that are going to get us another banner, but it gets us on the right road towards the type of TEAM we need to be.

Edit: looks like McConnell might be done for the season after his surgery. But that type of guy is who I'd be aiming for.

[TheOGJabroni]

It's been a tough season so far but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact we upgraded in talent level but downgraded in fit, at least with how we want to play. The Jay's have always been most efficient when there has been someone else on the team taking at least some focus away from them. We really don't have that player anymore. Instead, we have given them the ball and asked them to become playmakers. The problem is, we have really solid role players but they SUCK at shooting.

I'm not sure what/who the answer is but I'm confident that we will not see the best out of the Jay's & ultimately the team, until we bring in some solid players that can also shoot the ball. I think we'll see that teams can't send two on JT so much, we'd see them be even more willing passers (I think this can be overblown at times though) & I think we'd see their assist numbers go up simply cause their teammates actually make the open shot.

[Triple7]

I think the big thing with the C's has to be not trying to fix everything in one move. We can get incrementally better and some of those small changes will have larger impacts because the whole team will start performing better.

Biggest areas of need are clearly a PG who can facilitate and shooting. We don't need to get it all at the same time.

The PG who can be the "straw that stirs the drink" is going to be harder to find right now as CelticFaninLBC broke down above. That's fine, no need to force it, just be ready to try and strike if/when one of those guys becomes available.

Shooting is something we should be able to go out and get right now. Two guys I saw floated by other teams for Smart were Bogdan Bogdanovic in Atlanta and Joe Harris in Brooklyn. I think the former is more realistic than the latter, but both would be welcome additions on the wing. Guys you can count on to knock down an open 3 on a kick out or double team of Tatum/Brown would go a LONG way to fixing some of our biggest issues (assuming the Jays buy in to less ISO and more ball movement).

I'm a big Smart fan, I buy into all his non-counting stats impact, but swapping his terrible shooting for guys who are the opposite is something I'd jump at right now. It's a big swing in terms of offensive talent and we've already got a solid group in terms of defensive talent and a coach who is supposed to be geared towards that side of things anyway. On top of that we can all acknowledge this team needs a serious shakeup. Moving the longest tenured player and a guy who is probably the strongest voice in the locker room will do that for you good or bad.

ATL: Smart
BOS: Bogi

And then I'd look to snag TJ McConnell from Indy. He's not going to solve a lot of your problems, but he's a tough defender and a solid facilitator. He should lessen the loss of Smart and let the C's experiment with getting the ball out of the Jays hands more often. Plus he shouldn't really cost much at all given Indy is on the verge of blowing it up.

They're not moves that are going to get us another banner, but it gets us on the right road towards the type of TEAM we need to be.

Edit: looks like McConnell might be done for the season after his surgery. But that type of guy is who I'd be aiming for.

I agree with this. I think Bogdanovic is attainable. ATL has a lot of wings that can shoot. When healthy, Bogdan’s role could be limited in ATL. Problem would be Smart’s contract is close to untradable. I agree. This team needs a really good PG with reliable shooting. Plus a dead set shooter or two.

[zoyathedestroya]

I'd go after Ingles if UTA makes him available and if he won't cost much. Vet playmaker with size and shooting. Other guys on the team can cover for him defensively and he only plays 24-28 mins anyway. He's also expiring IINM.

Make it happen, Danny!

[Triple7]

The Bulls have new guys, but they seem to fit in right, with no egos. They also play hard and no nonsense, and they pass the ball. Vucevic is playing great as well. A big that can post up, shoot and rebound. Rob can’t even score on his own. Rob would thrive to have a pg like a cp3 or a rondo. He is more of a capela type of player.

[cl2117]

I agree with this. I think Bogdanovic is attainable. ATL has a lot of wings that can shoot. When healthy, Bogdan’s role could be limited in ATL. Problem would be Smart’s contract is close to untradable. I agree. This team needs a really good PG with reliable shooting. Plus a dead set shooter or two.

Smart's not an option for most teams, but teams like ATL and BKN can fit him in to what they're already doing because of the scoring they have.

Smart next to Trae is a great pairing. Same with Smart next to Harden/Kyrie/KD (he could literally take 0 shots a game and it'd be fine). You just gotta find the right trading partner with a backcourt pairing that'll hide Marcus' weaknesses and play to his strengths.

Smart for Bogi is currently my #1 hope. It's the shake up we need and addresses a glaring weakness. Bogi should age pretty well too.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I agree with this. I think Bogdanovic is attainable. ATL has a lot of wings that can shoot. When healthy, Bogdan’s role could be limited in ATL. Problem would be Smart’s contract is close to untradable. I agree. This team needs a really good PG with reliable shooting. Plus a dead set shooter or two.

Smart's not an option for most teams, but teams like ATL and BKN can fit him in to what they're already doing because of the scoring they have.

Smart next to Trae is a great pairing. Same with Smart next to Harden/Kyrie/KD (he could literally take 0 shots a game and it'd be fine). You just gotta find the right trading partner with a backcourt pairing that'll hide Marcus' weaknesses and play to his strengths.

Smart for Bogi is currently my #1 hope. It's the shake up we need and addresses a glaring weakness. Bogi should age pretty well too.

Who plays pg? Bogi's more of a shooting guard right?

[cl2117]

I agree with this. I think Bogdanovic is attainable. ATL has a lot of wings that can shoot. When healthy, Bogdan’s role could be limited in ATL. Problem would be Smart’s contract is close to untradable. I agree. This team needs a really good PG with reliable shooting. Plus a dead set shooter or two.

Smart's not an option for most teams, but teams like ATL and BKN can fit him in to what they're already doing because of the scoring they have.

Smart next to Trae is a great pairing. Same with Smart next to Harden/Kyrie/KD (he could literally take 0 shots a game and it'd be fine). You just gotta find the right trading partner with a backcourt pairing that'll hide Marcus' weaknesses and play to his strengths.

Smart for Bogi is currently my #1 hope. It's the shake up we need and addresses a glaring weakness. Bogi should age pretty well too.

Who plays pg? Bogi's more of a shooting guard right?

Schroder/Pritchard

I'd look to move for a third PG for real cheap. DJ Augustin in HOU probably could be had for Juancho and 2nd(s).

I thought Smart at PG would yield better results with him passing more/shooting less, but that really hasn't come to fruition. Not too worried about having a hole there because I feel like there already is one.

[Triple7]

I agree with this. I think Bogdanovic is attainable. ATL has a lot of wings that can shoot. When healthy, Bogdan’s role could be limited in ATL. Problem would be Smart’s contract is close to untradable. I agree. This team needs a really good PG with reliable shooting. Plus a dead set shooter or two.

Smart's not an option for most teams, but teams like ATL and BKN can fit him in to what they're already doing because of the scoring they have.

Smart next to Trae is a great pairing. Same with Smart next to Harden/Kyrie/KD (he could literally take 0 shots a game and it'd be fine). You just gotta find the right trading partner with a backcourt pairing that'll hide Marcus' weaknesses and play to his strengths.

Smart for Bogi is currently my #1 hope. It's the shake up we need and addresses a glaring weakness. Bogi should age pretty well too.

Yup i agree. Smart may fit better next to Trae. I would do that trade in a heart beat. This team needs a shake up pretty bad.

[BleedGreen1989]

I'm sure it's been discussed but I've been absent for awhile.

Thoughts on MBrogdon? Not touching him with this achillas issue?

Besides that, like the Bogi/Smart swap. This team desperately needs shooting and playmaking.

[Triple7]

I agree with this. I think Bogdanovic is attainable. ATL has a lot of wings that can shoot. When healthy, Bogdan’s role could be limited in ATL. Problem would be Smart’s contract is close to untradable. I agree. This team needs a really good PG with reliable shooting. Plus a dead set shooter or two.

Smart's not an option for most teams, but teams like ATL and BKN can fit him in to what they're already doing because of the scoring they have.

Smart next to Trae is a great pairing. Same with Smart next to Harden/Kyrie/KD (he could literally take 0 shots a game and it'd be fine). You just gotta find the right trading partner with a backcourt pairing that'll hide Marcus' weaknesses and play to his strengths.

Smart for Bogi is currently my #1 hope. It's the shake up we need and addresses a glaring weakness. Bogi should age pretty well too.

Who plays pg? Bogi's more of a shooting guard right?

Pritch or schroeder, if he’s still here.

[BillessuR6]

You guys are dreaming. Udoka loves Smart, we are not trading him...

I like Smart as well but I guess it is time for a change...Brad won`t trade one of Udoka`s big three, though...

[Curmudgeon]

Keep Smart. Trade Tatum and Brown.

[cl2117]

I'm sure it's been discussed but I've been absent for awhile.

Thoughts on MBrogdon? Not touching him with this achillas issue?

Besides that, like the Bogi/Smart swap. This team desperately needs shooting and playmaking.

Due to his extension Brogdon can't be traded this season. Would have to be in the summer.

If Indy blow it up between now and then and we're still looking for answers come this summer though, I'd certainly be interested. Especially if they were selling/tanking post Sabonis/Turner trades.

[Triple7]

I'm sure it's been discussed but I've been absent for awhile.

Thoughts on MBrogdon? Not touching him with this achillas issue?

Besides that, like the Bogi/Smart swap. This team desperately needs shooting and playmaking.

Brogdon would be perfect here. A big guard that can shoot and playmake.

[cl2117]

You guys are dreaming. Udoka loves Smart, we are not trading him...

I like Smart as well but I guess it is time for a change...Brad won`t trade one of Udoka`s big three, though...

If he likes his job more than he likes Marcus he should consider it.

I'm one of the biggest Smart fans around, but something's got to give and unlike Curm I refuse letting that be Tatum or Brown.

[Triple7]

You guys are dreaming. Udoka loves Smart, we are not trading him...

I like Smart as well but I guess it is time for a change...Brad won`t trade one of Udoka`s big three, though...

BRad and Udoka loves Smart lol.

[Triple7]

You guys are dreaming. Udoka loves Smart, we are not trading him...

I like Smart as well but I guess it is time for a change...Brad won`t trade one of Udoka`s big three, though...

Big 2 1/2 lol.

[playa-hater]

I think the big thing with the C's has to be not trying to fix everything in one move. We can get incrementally better and some of those small changes will have larger impacts because the whole team will start performing better.

Biggest areas of need are clearly a PG who can facilitate and shooting. We don't need to get it all at the same time.

The PG who can be the "straw that stirs the drink" is going to be harder to find right now as CelticFaninLBC broke down above. That's fine, no need to force it, just be ready to try and strike if/when one of those guys becomes available.

Shooting is something we should be able to go out and get right now. Two guys I saw floated by other teams for Smart were Bogdan Bogdanovic in Atlanta and Joe Harris in Brooklyn. I think the former is more realistic than the latter, but both would be welcome additions on the wing. Guys you can count on to knock down an open 3 on a kick out or double team of Tatum/Brown would go a LONG way to fixing some of our biggest issues (assuming the Jays buy in to less ISO and more ball movement).

I'm a big Smart fan, I buy into all his non-counting stats impact, but swapping his terrible shooting for guys who are the opposite is something I'd jump at right now. It's a big swing in terms of offensive talent and we've already got a solid group in terms of defensive talent and a coach who is supposed to be geared towards that side of things anyway. On top of that we can all acknowledge this team needs a serious shakeup. Moving the longest tenured player and a guy who is probably the strongest voice in the locker room will do that for you good or bad.

ATL: Smart
BOS: Bogi

And then I'd look to snag TJ McConnell from Indy. He's not going to solve a lot of your problems, but he's a tough defender and a solid facilitator. He should lessen the loss of Smart and let the C's experiment with getting the ball out of the Jays hands more often. Plus he shouldn't really cost much at all given Indy is on the verge of blowing it up.

They're not moves that are going to get us another banner, but it gets us on the right road towards the type of TEAM we need to be.

Edit: looks like McConnell might be done for the season after his surgery. But that type of guy is who I'd be aiming for.

salaries might not work, but I wish you could swap Bogdan Bogdanovic for Redish but overall your trade is in the ball park of what should be done.

[playa-hater]

I'd go after Ingles if UTA makes him available and if he won't cost much. Vet playmaker with size and shooting. Other guys on the team can cover for him defensively and he only plays 24-28 mins anyway. He's also expiring IINM.

Make it happen, Danny!

what would you expect to give up for Ingles?? or what would Danny boy want??