2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27)

[celticgreenie]

Porzingis, Horford, and Tillman are all good passers. Brad is not likely to draft a big man who isn't a good passer.

[Celts17Pride]

You have to factor in team chemistry.

The team is gelling, so keep it going, IMO.

If you are not getting better, then you are falling behind. Pritchard couldn’t even get on the court except for 4 seconds. Brad Stevens is not going to give him away but I’m sure he is testing the waters to see what PP and the 30th pick could bring back

Yeah, I agree about the getting better part, but I don't think that will apply to the current situation of the Celtics.

The new salary cap rules are intended to stop a super team, like Boston, to keep getting better.

That was one of the major issues of the new CBA, the super teams.

What happens now is PP is more important in the regular season than the playoffs.

PP can allow Jrue to go easy during the regular season so that Jrue will be fresh for the playoffs.

I just don't see the Cs making any significant changes in the off-season.

And it's just not practical to have a 1st round pick this year when the Cs are about to have 5 players that will cost over 180m a year.

I think you are in for a surprise.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

I would be bold and offer Pritchard, 30th pick and next year’s first round pick and see how far up this draft I could get.

Once you know how far up you could get then evaluate who could be there an if it’s worth it.

Celtics could get a good player and help their cap situation in one trade.

By the way, I would only consider it if it got me in the 13-18 range and there was a player I liked still available

You trade away Pritchard and the only NBA guards left on the roster are Derrick White and a 34 year old Jrue Holiday coming off a finals run + the Olympics. No reason to create that kind of hole in your rotation unless you have to and the Celtics don't have to.

Vet backup point guards are a dime a dozen in the NBA

Dallas didn't have a reliable ball handler off the bench. Denver is relying on a washed up Reggie Jackson. Minnesota had to use draft assets to get Monte Morris mid season because they didn't even have a back up point guard. Milwaukee and Philly went to dudes that are in their mid thirties and are just about cooked. If it's so easy to get a good back up guard why did none of the other contenders manage to find one ?

[Fierce1]

If you are not getting better, then you are falling behind. Pritchard couldn’t even get on the court except for 4 seconds. Brad Stevens is not going to give him away but I’m sure he is testing the waters to see what PP and the 30th pick could bring back

Yeah, I agree about the getting better part, but I don't think that will apply to the current situation of the Celtics.

The new salary cap rules are intended to stop a super team, like Boston, to keep getting better.

That was one of the major issues of the new CBA, the super teams.

What happens now is PP is more important in the regular season than the playoffs.

PP can allow Jrue to go easy during the regular season so that Jrue will be fresh for the playoffs.

I just don't see the Cs making any significant changes in the off-season.

And it's just not practical to have a 1st round pick this year when the Cs are about to have 5 players that will cost over 180m a year.

I think you are in for a surprise.

We'll see in a few days.

But my money is still on a boring draft for the Cs this year.

[hugepatsfan]

You trade away Pritchard and the only NBA guards left on the roster are Derrick White and a 34 year old Jrue Holiday coming off a finals run + the Olympics. No reason to create that kind of hole in your rotation unless you have to and the Celtics don't have to.

Vet backup point guards are a dime a dozen in the NBA

Dallas didn't have a reliable ball handler off the bench. Denver is relying on a washed up Reggie Jackson. Minnesota had to use draft assets to get Monte Morris mid season because they didn't even have a back up point guard. Milwaukee and Philly went to dudes that are in their mid thirties and are just about cooked. If it's so easy to get a good back up guard why did none of the other contenders manage to find one ?

A good regular season backup PG is easy to find. It’s hard to find one who sticks in the playoff rotation because most vet min PGs are usually either weak shooters or small defenders and both of those archetypes get schemed out in the playoffs.

Unfortunately, Pritchard sort of falls into the same category. Because we went 3 rounds without playing an iso threat on the other team, he was fine. Once we ran into Luka, he was out of the rotation mostly.

[165bows]

I kind of liked Exum actually.

[Celts17Pride]

Vet backup point guards are a dime a dozen in the NBA

Dallas didn't have a reliable ball handler off the bench. Denver is relying on a washed up Reggie Jackson. Minnesota had to use draft assets to get Monte Morris mid season because they didn't even have a back up point guard. Milwaukee and Philly went to dudes that are in their mid thirties and are just about cooked. If it's so easy to get a good back up guard why did none of the other contenders manage to find one ?

A good regular season backup PG is easy to find. It’s hard to find one who sticks in the playoff rotation because most vet min PGs are usually either weak shooters or small defenders and both of those archetypes get schemed out in the playoffs.

Unfortunately, Pritchard sort of falls into the same category. Because we went 3 rounds without playing an iso threat on the other team, he was fine. Once we ran into Luka, he was out of the rotation mostly.

and he makes $6.6 million. Celtics can't pay everyone. If it comes down to White, Hauser, Pritchard then see ya PP.

[playa-hater]

I'm gonna flip flop and say run it back, don't trade PP and make a pick at #30. Put the scouting rooms feet to the fire and see if they can find the team a player who can contribute and not be a multiyear project. A Freeman, Scheirman, Mitchell? I don't know. They get paid to make that decision.

Next year the overall #1 seed for the playoffs doesn't have to be a major priority like staying healthy will be for next season. Being a top 4 seed in the east is just fine. 50 wins gets a top 4 seed in the east. It may also mean a low/mid 20's pick which may allow a chance to improve that pick with a trade to the late teens by then including a future 1st.

Lets say the C's landed in the 24th pick range this year. If there's a target that's in the teens than package that with a future 1st gets you a chance to take a George, da Silva, Carrington, Holmes in this draft. This is hypothetical for next year.

Nothing Wrong with this... and with a Crystal Ball it might end up better for us 3 years from now..

But I have always been with the Idea that there are players who are on another Tier. and Sometimes standing Pat doesn't get you that player. This all comes down to scouting and Projections. If Boston/Brad scouts a player he feels can help take the team a notch higher all while developing that player to Fill in for future losses (such as Al and/or KP) then making a Move up may very well be the best move possible.

Another way of looking at it is, what if Brad has 2 or 3 players in mind, but doesn't want to sacrifice future assets to get him. So he gambles that at least one of them falls to the 30th Pick, but sadly all 3 go just ahead of 30.. So instead he ends up getting a player that he doesn't value nearly as much. Kind of a waste.

Meanwhile Boston has their starting 5 intact with Al, PP Hauser in place..+ J Walsh and Queta. We have all of our 1sts still owned until 2029, we will barely have enough Roster room as it is.. Our 2nd rounders are almost worthless to us. We are not a rebuilding team.
Consolidating them for a higher level starting caliper player to keep us Not just close, but above everyone seems like a bigger Priority than anything else.

Sorry for the long post. My flight is delayed and wanted to get this off my chest.

[redslastlaugh]

Pacome Dadiet, who I am not that high on, will be working out with limited teams, including Boston Celtics.

Note that among Dadiet workout stops is Brooklyn. The Nets have no picks in this draft but are flush with future 1sts and 2nds … possible trade up partner with Boston if they want #30.

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[hugepatsfan]

All the reasons that I and many others here see Pritchard as expendable are the same reasons other teams aren’t going to give us the type of draft pick people here are forecasting. Lots of teams would like him for free, but I doubt you get much for him.

I’m in favor of keeping him because I don’t think we’ll get any decent pick back for him. If there’s ever a Pritchard deal that makes sense I think it would be adding picks to him for a guy in his 4th year of his rookie deal that a team doesn’t want to pay and wants to move instead.

[djFan71]

All the reasons that I and many others here see Pritchard as expendable are the same reasons other teams aren’t going to give us the type of draft pick people here are forecasting. Lots of teams would like him for free, but I doubt you get much for him.

I’m in favor of keeping him because I don’t think we’ll get any decent pick back for him. If there’s ever a Pritchard deal that makes sense I think it would be adding picks to him for a guy in his 4th year of his rookie deal that a team doesn’t want to pay and wants to move instead.

I think this, but you can also think this on any trade, lol. And you can think the reverse - if he can't get a 20s pick why are we so worried about losing him. . I totally agree with your overall point though. If it's true he can't return that, we should just keep him.

What Pritchard can offer a team is low turnover ball handler, shooting, mental toughness, deep playoff experience and a low contract. To a team that's barely made it past the play-in but seems themselves on the rise, that could be valuable. Something in the 20s seems reasonable. If not, don't bother.

[robdog_5]

Is there a running list of who se have worked out?

[djFan71]

Is there a running list of who se have worked out?

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

Doesn't have Dadiet yet, but I assume they'll get it updated.

[djFan71]

I'm gonna flip flop and say run it back, don't trade PP and make a pick at #30. Put the scouting rooms feet to the fire and see if they can find the team a player who can contribute and not be a multiyear project. A Freeman, Scheirman, Mitchell? I don't know. They get paid to make that decision.

Next year the overall #1 seed for the playoffs doesn't have to be a major priority like staying healthy will be for next season. Being a top 4 seed in the east is just fine. 50 wins gets a top 4 seed in the east. It may also mean a low/mid 20's pick which may allow a chance to improve that pick with a trade to the late teens by then including a future 1st.

Lets say the C's landed in the 24th pick range this year. If there's a target that's in the teens than package that with a future 1st gets you a chance to take a George, da Silva, Carrington, Holmes in this draft. This is hypothetical for next year.

Nothing Wrong with this... and with a Crystal Ball it might end up better for us 3 years from now..

But I have always been with the Idea that there are players who are on another Tier. and Sometimes standing Pat doesn't get you that player. This all comes down to scouting and Projections. If Boston/Brad scouts a player he feels can help take the team a notch higher all while developing that player to Fill in for future losses (such as Al and/or KP) then making a Move up may very well be the best move possible.

Another way of looking at it is, what if Brad has 2 or 3 players in mind, but doesn't want to sacrifice future assets to get him. So he gambles that at least one of them falls to the 30th Pick, but sadly all 3 go just ahead of 30.. So instead he ends up getting a player that he doesn't value nearly as much. Kind of a waste.

Meanwhile Boston has their starting 5 intact with Al, PP Hauser in place..+ J Walsh and Queta. We have all of our 1sts still owned until 2029, we will barely have enough Roster room as it is.. Our 2nd rounders are almost worthless to us. We are not a rebuilding team.
Consolidating them for a higher level starting caliper player to keep us Not just close, but above everyone seems like a bigger Priority than anything else.

Sorry for the long post. My flight is delayed and wanted to get this off my chest.

I am with you on all of this except 2nd rounders being worthless. They to me are your shot at taking those type of projects that could pan out in 3-4 years. 2 years on 2-ways, then start producing midway thru their first contract. That's the timeframe we'll start needing some guys. We basically have no Maine pipeline at this point. JD can't go back, we signed Queta and Walsh never was a 2-way. So, we can definitely put 3 guys in there via 2nds/UDFA. And UDFAs are unlikely to sign with BOS over another team if they have multiple offers since they know it's a long way to real nba minutes.

But, absolutely, if Brad likes a guy of a few a tier above the others, trade up.

[Hal14]

If you are not getting better, then you are falling behind.

That's hyperbole. We could do nothing, bring back all 15 guys from last year's team and be HEAVY title favorites.

If you are not getting better, then you are falling behind. Pritchard couldn’t even get on the court except for 4 seconds.

That's more hyperbole. Pritchard played a lot more than 4 seconds this season.

He played in all 82 games and all 19 playoff games. That's 101 total games and 2,180 minutes (not 4 seconds).

I believe he was among the league leaders in net rating during the reg season and playoffs.

Out of the 101 games he played in this season, there was only *one* of them where he played less than 9 mins. In pretty much all of them he played 12+ mins per game..averaged 22 MPG in reg season, averaged 18 MPG in playoffs, so I don't really buy this 4 seconds stuff.

[Hal14]

Porzingis, Horford, and Tillman are all good passers. Brad is not likely to draft a big man who isn't a good passer.

So is Kornet. Even Queta has some decent passing ability. It was certainly one of his strengths coming out of college.

[ConstableGeneva]

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The Celtics got the best player in this draft. The world just doesn't know it yet.

[playa-hater]

Pacome Dadiet, who I am not that high on, will be working out with limited teams, including Boston Celtics.

Note that among Dadiet workout stops is Brooklyn. The Nets have no picks in this draft but are flush with future 1sts and 2nds … possible trade up partner with Boston if they want #30.

Read on Twitter

I recently posted that I do not want to draft any player who may be two years away from being two years away.. That is currently a rule.I live by.. But the more I look at this kid , the more I think he may turn out to be the exception to the rule..

[Celts17Pride]

If you are not getting better, then you are falling behind.

That's hyperbole. We could do nothing, bring back all 15 guys from last year's team and be HEAVY title favorites.

If you are not getting better, then you are falling behind. Pritchard couldn’t even get on the court except for 4 seconds.

That's more hyperbole. Pritchard played a lot more than 4 seconds this season.

He played in all 82 games and all 19 playoff games. That's 101 total games and 2,180 minutes (not 4 seconds).

I believe he was among the league leaders in net rating during the reg season and playoffs.

Out of the 101 games he played in this season, there was only *one* of them where he played less than 9 mins. In pretty much all of them he played 12+ mins per game..averaged 22 MPG in reg season, averaged 18 MPG in playoffs, so I don't really buy this 4 seconds stuff.

This feels like the same thing last year when people were crying, “There is no way the Celtics move Malcom Brogdan “.

Pritchard’s days are numbered. Why? Because it just makes sense

[Memokerobi]

I think the Celtics really like Pritchard and wouldn’t want to trade him in an ideal scenario. However, there is a path where the Celtics can dip under the 2nd apron and reset their penalties before going balls deep with Tatum/White/Hauser extensions if they trade PP & Springer so they might consider it