Official Draft Thread 2015-16

[LobCityRondo2KG]

Lol at comments to his graph... Poor graph and stats

[Avalanche]

OG Anunoby... we all ready to buy into the hype and give him a promise with the Mavs pick right?

his **** name is OG

[Celtsfan1980]

Considered a bad draft. If the Celtics do well in the lottery it'll likely happen during a bad draft. No idea why our fan base is so pessimistic.

[robbie84]

Buddy is making me feel a lot better about this draft...love his lightning quick release which enables him to get his shot off without much separation. Reminds me a bit of Michael Redd.

Adam Morrison had a 61% true shooting percentage.

And Steph Curry + Reddick had over 60 as well.
If Reddick can become the starting SG on a contender then there's no reason to think Hield can't be even better given his more complete skill set complememted by his work ethic.

[robbie84]

This is the worst graph in the universe.

Explain?
It's a quick look at Hield's TS%
Not sure why these haters are running it down.
Was easier to post the graphic vs writing the content out word by word...

[brackdan70]

This is the worst graph in the universe.

Explain?
It's a quick look at Hield's TS%
Not sure why these haters are running it down.
Was easier to post the graphic vs writing the content out word by word...

Its not a bad graph IMO. Shows Hield can shoot with the best of them. I think the issue with it is it shows only the best season for each player and also the condensed scale makes Hield look much better when the difference in TS% 0.63 and 0.66 in really not very important.

Point is valid though dude has skill to be a top notch NBA shooter. Where does that put him in this draft? I don't think Top 5...but anywhere after that.

[coach mang]

dang malik beasley gonna declare? nbadraft.net got him at 12 right now wow. noles gwone lose both bake n beas dat sux. if we go big early mangIna would love to grab one of these two w/ our own pick. get a talented nole in da program sprinkle w/ some kalife dust watch him grow... yeahhhhh

[165bows]

I don't have a strong opinion on Hield but here is a statistical chart of the top 50/40/80 seasons in terms of total points scored.

The list goes:

Redick
McDermott
Curry
Durant
Hield

So I don't know how the various stat models rank him as I haven't looked recently but he is having a significant season historically, especially since his season sent over yet and he may move up the list.



http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=&year_max=&conf_id=&school_id=&class_is_fr=Y&class_is_so=Y&class_is_jr=Y&class_is_sr=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&games_type=A&qual=&c1stat=fg2_pct&c1comp=gt&c1val=.5&c2stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.4&c3stat=ft_pct&c3comp=gt&c3val=.8&c4stat=pts_per_g&c4comp=gt&c4val=20&order_by=pts

[Gomes3PC]

The other important thing to note is that both Curry and Redick had to completely reinvent themselves in the NBA to become anything more than 8th man one-way scorers a la Jordan Crawford. Curry dramatically improved his handle and got stronger, while Redick became probably the best off-ball player outside Ray Allen in the last 15+ years. Both those guys struggled mightily initially transitioning to the NBA, especially Redick.

For every Redick or Curry, there is a Jimmer or a Morrison. Lots of great college shooters don't translate - not because they can't shoot, but because in the NBA that is not a sufficient threshold to survive.

The point is, yes, Hield can shoot, and that will probably translate to the NBA. But will his defense, ballhandling, and passing be up to snuff? He's going to be undersized for a SG, can he find a way to get his shot off against a guard like Klay Thompson or Avery Bradley? And defensively, is he going to hold up well enough so he's not just a basket-trader a la Crawford?

You'd think after watching Crowder, Smart and Bradley for the last 1.5-3 years that folks would start to understand that succeeding as a perimeter player in the NBA is more than just scoring.

I am not dismissing Hield but he has a lot more questions about his length, defensive abilities, ballhandling, etc. than you can justify taking in the top-5 of even a weak draft. Maybe in the 7-12 range like where Curry/Redick went.

EDIT - add Dougie Buckets as another guy who had to completely reinvent his body and game to thrive in the NBA. I'm not saying Hield can't do it, but let's not assume that you can just plug Hield in Day 1 and he'll be a positive contributor. I think you can say that at least for the likes of Ingram, Simmons, Dunn, and probably Murray/Poeltl (crappy Zags game notwithstanding). Sounds like Bender too, though I defer to guys like Fischella on Euros.

[SmartWentCrazy]

The other important thing to note is that both Curry and Redick had to completely reinvent themselves in the NBA to become anything more than 8th man one-way scorers a la Jordan Crawford. Curry dramatically improved his handle and got stronger, while Redick became probably the best off-ball player outside Ray Allen in the last 15+ years. Both those guys struggled mightily initially transitioning to the NBA, especially Redick.

For every Redick or Curry, there is a Jimmer or a Morrison. Lots of great college shooters don't translate - not because they can't shoot, but because in the NBA that is not a sufficient threshold to survive.

The point is, yes, Hield can shoot, and that will probably translate to the NBA. But will his defense, ballhandling, and passing be up to snuff? He's going to be undersized for a SG, can he find a way to get his shot off against a guard like Klay Thompson or Avery Bradley? And defensively, is he going to hold up well enough so he's not just a basket-trader a la Crawford?

You'd think after watching Crowder, Smart and Bradley for the last 1.5-3 years that folks would start to understand that succeeding as a perimeter player in the NBA is more than just scoring.

I am not dismissing Hield but he has a lot more questions about his length, defensive abilities, ballhandling, etc. than you can justify taking in the top-5 of even a weak draft. Maybe in the 7-12 range like where Curry/Redick went.

EDIT - add Dougie Buckets as another guy who had to completely reinvent his body and game to thrive in the NBA. I'm not saying Hield can't do it, but let's not assume that you can just plug Hield in Day 1 and he'll be a positive contributor. I think you can say that at least for the likes of Ingram, Simmons, Dunn, and probably Murray/Poeltl (crappy Zags game notwithstanding). Sounds like Bender too, though I defer to guys like Fischella on Euros.

I wish I could give this more than just +1.

I like Hield, because I like his shot and his propensity to keep developing, but it will take at least 2-3 years before he becomes a good pro. He has some positive tools, but you cannot draft him expecting him to be a key rotation player on a playoff team right off the bat.

I would love to consolidate the DAL/BOS/MIN picks for a pick in the 7-10 range to take Hield, but would not even consider him with the BKN pick.

[Wes-J]

Temper your expectations for that Brooklyn pick.

[ddb]

Temper your expectations for that Brooklyn pick.

It's going to be #1. watch

[Wes-J]

Temper your expectations for that Brooklyn pick.

It's going to be #1. watch

[Slartibartfast]

The other important thing to note is that both Curry and Redick had to completely reinvent themselves in the NBA to become anything more than 8th man one-way scorers a la Jordan Crawford. Curry dramatically improved his handle and got stronger, while Redick became probably the best off-ball player outside Ray Allen in the last 15+ years. Both those guys struggled mightily initially transitioning to the NBA, especially Redick.

For every Redick or Curry, there is a Jimmer or a Morrison. Lots of great college shooters don't translate - not because they can't shoot, but because in the NBA that is not a sufficient threshold to survive.

The point is, yes, Hield can shoot, and that will probably translate to the NBA. But will his defense, ballhandling, and passing be up to snuff? He's going to be undersized for a SG, can he find a way to get his shot off against a guard like Klay Thompson or Avery Bradley? And defensively, is he going to hold up well enough so he's not just a basket-trader a la Crawford?

You'd think after watching Crowder, Smart and Bradley for the last 1.5-3 years that folks would start to understand that succeeding as a perimeter player in the NBA is more than just scoring.

I am not dismissing Hield but he has a lot more questions about his length, defensive abilities, ballhandling, etc. than you can justify taking in the top-5 of even a weak draft. Maybe in the 7-12 range like where Curry/Redick went.

EDIT - add Dougie Buckets as another guy who had to completely reinvent his body and game to thrive in the NBA. I'm not saying Hield can't do it, but let's not assume that you can just plug Hield in Day 1 and he'll be a positive contributor. I think you can say that at least for the likes of Ingram, Simmons, Dunn, and probably Murray/Poeltl (crappy Zags game notwithstanding). Sounds like Bender too, though I defer to guys like Fischella on Euros.

I like Valentine quite a bit better than Hield if we're going senior in that late lotto range. Taller, longer and beefier even if that comes with a quickness disadvantage. Slightly better deep shooter over 4 years. Far more versatile - an in-between game, great open-court vision, excellent passer, superior rebounder, decent ball-handler. Not as good at finishing in the paint, but I think that part of Hield's game is going to disappear in the pros against athletic bigs with legit size. Valentine's assortment of half hooks and fadeaways in the 8-12 foot range will be more useful.

[165bows]

The other important thing to note is that both Curry and Redick had to completely reinvent themselves in the NBA to become anything more than 8th man one-way scorers a la Jordan Crawford. Curry dramatically improved his handle and got stronger, while Redick became probably the best off-ball player outside Ray Allen in the last 15+ years. Both those guys struggled mightily initially transitioning to the NBA, especially Redick.

For every Redick or Curry, there is a Jimmer or a Morrison. Lots of great college shooters don't translate - not because they can't shoot, but because in the NBA that is not a sufficient threshold to survive.

The point is, yes, Hield can shoot, and that will probably translate to the NBA. But will his defense, ballhandling, and passing be up to snuff? He's going to be undersized for a SG, can he find a way to get his shot off against a guard like Klay Thompson or Avery Bradley? And defensively, is he going to hold up well enough so he's not just a basket-trader a la Crawford?

You'd think after watching Crowder, Smart and Bradley for the last 1.5-3 years that folks would start to understand that succeeding as a perimeter player in the NBA is more than just scoring.

I am not dismissing Hield but he has a lot more questions about his length, defensive abilities, ballhandling, etc. than you can justify taking in the top-5 of even a weak draft. Maybe in the 7-12 range like where Curry/Redick went.

EDIT - add Dougie Buckets as another guy who had to completely reinvent his body and game to thrive in the NBA. I'm not saying Hield can't do it, but let's not assume that you can just plug Hield in Day 1 and he'll be a positive contributor. I think you can say that at least for the likes of Ingram, Simmons, Dunn, and probably Murray/Poeltl (crappy Zags game notwithstanding). Sounds like Bender too, though I defer to guys like Fischella on Euros.

I think that Hield is much closer to Curry/Redick physically, Fredette and Morrison were clearly undersized and/or under-athletic in a substantially unmodifiable way.

I agree that for most prospects it's about how much can they improve (and that makes me have some confidence in Hield) is he has consistently improved throughout his college career in a way that reflects more than simple age/physical dominance of a senior in the NCAA. IMO he's got a strong track record of continued development.

[Gomes3PC]

Look, this isn't to demean Hield. I don't think he is Jimmer 2.0. Another advantage is he is doing this in the Big XII vs. the WCC like Jimmer and Ammo. He's a lot closer to Curry/Redick than Jimmer/Ammo, but I wouldn't count on him making the leaps and bounds that Curry/Redick did in the NBA. That's just a level of work ethic that's unreasonable to expect out of any draft pick.

Most likely, he turns into someone like Eric Gordon. That's not bad but hardly a guy you clamor for.

[2Mas]

^^ As long as this isn't with the Brooklyn Pick, I'm cool with Hield.

I have not looked at the league standing on espn so much in my entire than this year. We better get something better than that.

[peachbucket]

The other important thing to note is that both Curry and Redick had to completely reinvent themselves in the NBA to become anything more than 8th man one-way scorers a la Jordan Crawford. Curry dramatically improved his handle and got stronger, while Redick became probably the best off-ball player outside Ray Allen in the last 15+ years. Both those guys struggled mightily initially transitioning to the NBA, especially Redick.

For every Redick or Curry, there is a Jimmer or a Morrison. Lots of great college shooters don't translate - not because they can't shoot, but because in the NBA that is not a sufficient threshold to survive.

The point is, yes, Hield can shoot, and that will probably translate to the NBA. But will his defense, ballhandling, and passing be up to snuff? He's going to be undersized for a SG, can he find a way to get his shot off against a guard like Klay Thompson or Avery Bradley? And defensively, is he going to hold up well enough so he's not just a basket-trader a la Crawford?

You'd think after watching Crowder, Smart and Bradley for the last 1.5-3 years that folks would start to understand that succeeding as a perimeter player in the NBA is more than just scoring.

I am not dismissing Hield but he has a lot more questions about his length, defensive abilities, ballhandling, etc. than you can justify taking in the top-5 of even a weak draft. Maybe in the 7-12 range like where Curry/Redick went.

EDIT - add Dougie Buckets as another guy who had to completely reinvent his body and game to thrive in the NBA. I'm not saying Hield can't do it, but let's not assume that you can just plug Hield in Day 1 and he'll be a positive contributor. I think you can say that at least for the likes of Ingram, Simmons, Dunn, and probably Murray/Poeltl (crappy Zags game notwithstanding). Sounds like Bender too, though I defer to guys like Fischella on Euros.

I think that Hield is much closer to Curry/Redick physically, Fredette and Morrison were clearly undersized and/or under-athletic in a substantially unmodifiable way.

I agree that for most prospects it's about how much can they improve (and that makes me have some confidence in Hield) is he has consistently improved throughout his college career in a way that reflects more than simple age/physical dominance of a senior in the NCAA. IMO he's got a strong track record of continued development.

Not sure what the diffenrence is athletically but Hield has over a 5 inch wingspan advantage over Redick...that is HUGE difference. I'm sticking with Michael Redd as best comp.

[165bows]

Hoop Summit rosters are out. Cordinier is the only guy I see mentioned for this year's draft, but lots of big names for the next two years will be there.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2016-Nike-Hoop-Summit-International-Roster-Breakdown-5402

Fox, Fultz, Jackson, Tatum, Giles, Adebayo for the US, Ayton for the World team.

Game is Sat Apr. 9th.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

the draft is a complete crap shoot. I'm not worried one bit. Unless it's top 2 we are definitely trading it. Ainge may still opt to trade a top 2 player. I've always wanted to see Ainge work out the top guys in the draft and make his own determination what to do. We've never had a shot because the top guys wouldn't want to risk there spots. Either way, this off-season is finally Fireworks.