The (Quadruple) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 4.0)

jeremym480 · Post #1941 » by **jeremym480** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:43 pm

I'm not necessarily on the give IT a max contract train, but trading him in the middle of the season, especially with how great he's played so far, would be crazy.

IT, Crowder and a Brooklyn pick for Drummond would have us giving up way too much value. It's an easy hard pass from me... Plus, you know Trader Danny isn't going to make a deal unless he comes out smelling like a rose and that deal has Detriot smelling like it's Valentine's Day.

SparringPartner · Post #1942 » by **SparringPartner** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:45 pm

OFWGKTA wrote:Only two other players in NBA history have had a season scoring as much as Isaiah and as efficiently, and they both play on Golden State. Where are these other Isaiah Thomas' at?

Do you think, just maybe, it has to do with the defenseless basketball that is played now a days? Or maybe the fact that a defender can't even put their finger on a player without the whistle being blown. Not taking anything away from these players, but it's much more a product of rules & style of play then it is about individual talent.

DarkAzcura · Post #1943 » by **DarkAzcura** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:47 pm

SparringPartner wrote:
OFWGKTA wrote:Only two other players in NBA history have had a season scoring as much as Isaiah and as efficiently, and they both play on Golden State. Where are these other Isaiah Thomas' at?

Do you think, just maybe, it has to do with the defenseless basketball that is played now a days? Or maybe the fact that a defender can't even put their finger on a player without the whistle being blown. Not taking anything away from these players, but it's much more a product of rules & style of play then it is about individual talent.

So why aren't more players doing it?

SparringPartner · Post #1944 » by **SparringPartner** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:47 pm

Green89 wrote:Both Giannis and Porzingis are playing with better talent on their teams right now, yet Butler's leading his team to the better record. They both may have better physical talent and upside, but neither are as clutch as Butler or have that superstar end of game knack for carrying a team on their back like Butler has shown this season. To me, the Bucks are a major disappointment this year, worse than NY or Chicago.

No, that's just the age gap;

Zinger = 21
Freak = 22
Butler = 27

That's all IMO

Bohemian · Post #1945 » by **Bohemian** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:48 pm

Drummond is not worth IT...let alone IT, Crowder and the pick

You also need to consider if Drummond fits our style. I mean, the guy is a beast and is worth a decent package. But let´s not exaggerate

jeremym480 · Post #1946 » by **jeremym480** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:48 pm

SparringPartner wrote:
OFWGKTA wrote:Only two other players in NBA history have had a season scoring as much as Isaiah and as efficiently, and they both play on Golden State. Where are these other Isaiah Thomas' at?

Do you think, just maybe, it has to do with the defenseless basketball that is played now a days? Or maybe the fact that a defender can't even put their finger on a player without the whistle being blown. Not taking anything away from these players, but it's much more a product of rules & style of play then it is about individual talent.

If that's the case, then it seems like you would want to keep the guys that benefit the most from those rules, no?

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1947 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:48 pm

I don't think you deal IT for Drummond, and I'm not sure Drummond is more valuable to us right now. Theoretically helps our defense a ton, but has to fit into our schemes and commit to them and make good decisions. That's his issue in Detroit right now, apparently.

And he'd hurt our spacing, and will have issues with offensive reads.

He might get some reliable clunky moves in the post. Probably won't develop a shot. Would rather have him than Whiteside, based on his age and potential to keep improving.

OFWGKTA · Post #1948 » by **OFWGKTA** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:49 pm

SparringPartner wrote:
OFWGKTA wrote:Only two other players in NBA history have had a season scoring as much as Isaiah and as efficiently, and they both play on Golden State. Where are these other Isaiah Thomas' at?

Do you think, just maybe, it has to do with the defenseless basketball that is played now a days? Or maybe the fact that a defender can't even put their finger on a player without the whistle being blown. Not taking anything away from these players, but it's much more a product of rules & style of play then it is about individual talent.

Ok, but the only two players who have taken as much advantage of this "defenseless basketball" as IT are Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry, in their MVP and Unanimous MVP seasons respectively.

DarkAzcura · Post #1949 » by **DarkAzcura** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:50 pm

I want a big who can rebound also..but some of you need to take a step back and see that there is a pattern between big men and teams not winning currently. There is something to it, IMO.

As rules change and play styles adjust, teams will find success with these type of big men one day, but this era is not that era.

SparringPartner · Post #1950 » by **SparringPartner** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:52 pm

Bohemian wrote:IT is going nowhere guys. He is candidate for MVP, 30 points per game and insane play for the whole season. IT is a keeper

Right, the new George "Iceman" Gervin.

2nd in MVP voting for two years
Lead the league in scoring 4 years

Championship Rings = 0

Bohemian · Post #1951 » by **Bohemian** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:53 pm

SparringPartner wrote:
Bohemian wrote:IT is going nowhere guys. He is candidate for MVP, 30 points per game and insane play for the whole season. IT is a keeper

Right, the new George "Iceman" Gervin.

2nd in MVP voting for two years
Lead the league in scoring 4 years

Championship Rings = 0

haha Soooo nice that Danny Ainge is the GM of the Celtics and not some people around here

Bohemian · Post #1952 » by **Bohemian** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:54 pm

And I guess many of the IT haters have sung IT-MVP in the Garden for the whole season.

Guess what, think about what you´ll do when IT helps us raise banner 18. Cause it´s a fact and it´s happening.

CeltsfaninDC · Post #1953 » by **CeltsfaninDC** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:58 pm

SparringPartner wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:Ok, wait a minute...... You think Andre Drummond is the one key to the Cs winning the title this year (while getting rid of IT and Jae)? If he's such an amazing player then why are the Pistons trying to trade him?

The Pistons are a weak organization IMO

CeltsfaninDC wrote:This is Andre freakin Drummond we're talking about - you know, the guy who shoots FTs worse than Dennis Rodman. and you're calling out ddb as someone who doesn't know what he is talking about? This is a joke, right?

Dennis Rodman was on 5 championship teams.

Relax partner, it's just a message board. I feel like you should go smoke some weed or something along those lines.

Nobody is saying Drummond brings you a championship overnight. He's 23, but he is a building block, where IT is not IMO.

Its two more hours until brownie time

Stadium5 · Post #1954 » by **Stadium5** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:00 pm

Bohemian wrote:Drummond is not worth IT...let alone IT, Crowder and the pick

You also need to consider if Drummond fits our style. I mean, the guy is a beast and is worth a decent package. But let´s not exaggerate

Lol it's crazy how opposite ends of the spectrum some of us are from each other

Drummond with 4 years left on his deal at 23 years old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28 year old IT with a year left

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1955 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:04 pm

IT may be a building block.

I still like Okafor, but I'm starting to be converted to the new NBA gospel. If your spacing is good, a Drummond type may be less effective defensively than a Draymond or Noel.

Hard to wrap my head around the semi-obsolescence of dominant bigs. Trends may change, but so far no one has figured out an alternative to pacing/spacing.

sam_I_am · Post #1956 » by **sam_I_am** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:05 pm

Let's just wait for Dayonta Ayton with 2018 pick and keep IT.

Edug27 · Post #1957 » by **Edug27** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:07 pm

SparringPartner wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
SparringPartner wrote:
Why because you have some love affair for IT?

No. As ddb said, that trade is awful.

Why? Please break it down for me Obi Wan.

Enough people have already. No need.

OFWGKTA · Post #1958 » by **OFWGKTA** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:08 pm

Stadium5 wrote:
Bohemian wrote:Drummond is not worth IT...let alone IT, Crowder and the pick

You also need to consider if Drummond fits our style. I mean, the guy is a beast and is worth a decent package. But let´s not exaggerate

Lol it's crazy how opposite ends of the spectrum some of us are from each other

Drummond with 4 years left on his deal at 23 years old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28 year old IT with a year left

Ok so you said IT+Crowder+BRK17 for Drummond right? Now build a path to contention after making that trade, please.

chrisab123 · Post #1959 » by **chrisab123** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:08 pm

Stadium5 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:Jaylen could easily turn out to be a Jimmy Butler, he's like 7 years younger than him.

The BKN 17 and 18 picks have superstar potential. Jimmy Butler isn't propelling us to championships. I don't understand what some of you guys see sometimes

Nothing easy about that. I love that people here look at guys like Cousins George Butler as guys who can be had for expiring deals and non Brooklyn picks because 2K17 allows you to do so. Look Brown is coming along but to say that he's easily going to be as good as one of the best players in the league is ridiculous.

Jimmy Butler would move the needle in a big way. If you don't see that I'm not sure what else to say here...

Also that BRK 18 pick value goes away real quick if Brooklyn is able to make some deals and sign some free agents to get them out of the hell that is the bottom 5 in the league.

Jaylen Brown being an exceptional athlete and top 3 pick shows where he lies among his peers. He has glimpses of scoring ability and he's not even old enough to legally drink yet. Jimmy Butler at Jaylen's age was nothing to write home about, there's no reason to think that Jaylen can't see the kind of improvement that Butler has shown the past 4 years. You act as if Butler is some transcendent talent. He's a great player but he's no superstar or unique talent like a Giannis or Porzingis. The BKN 17 and 18 picks could end up landing us special rare talents that would otherwise cost us a boatload of assets to out right trade for.

I'm really not worried about Brooklyn improving significantly within the next year. They have a grim future right now and thats not something that is likely to attract worthy free agents.

I believe me saying borderline top 10 is not the same as transcendent. But you on the other hand and half the board seem to believe Jaylen Brown is. Interesting. Being a great athlete is all well and good but it depends what happens with it all. Brooklyn will not be as bad as they are this year next year. Too many things would have to go wrong to get the worst record unintentionally two years in a row.

SparringPartner · Post #1960 » by **SparringPartner** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:10 pm

DarkAzcura wrote:
SparringPartner wrote:
OFWGKTA wrote:Only two other players in NBA history have had a season scoring as much as Isaiah and as efficiently, and they both play on Golden State. Where are these other Isaiah Thomas' at?

Do you think, just maybe, it has to do with the defenseless basketball that is played now a days? Or maybe the fact that a defender can't even put their finger on a player without the whistle being blown. Not taking anything away from these players, but it's much more a product of rules & style of play then it is about individual talent.

So why aren't more players doing it?

they don't have Brad Stevens as a coach?