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Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1941 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:48 pm

CelticsLV wrote:
reload141 wrote:I would be shocked if we even had a discussion with Indy.

After Pritchard screwed Ainge over I don’t see them getting along.


That's not how Ainge works. He doesn't hold grudges. This is not a kindergarden.


Or - Pritchard owes us
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Post#1942 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:52 pm

CelticsLV wrote:
reload141 wrote:I would be shocked if we even had a discussion with Indy.

After Pritchard screwed Ainge over I don’t see them getting along.


That's not how Ainge works. He doesn't hold grudges. This is not a kindergarden.

And it can hardly be called screwing over. We don't even know what Ainge was willing to offer. Maybe it was something meh.


If you agree to a deal [and he did] and then back out without telling the other party, its a lot to expect said party to trust your word again.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1943 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:52 pm

The other issue is that we could go into the summer with Brown and Sabonis as restricted free agents in a market where a lot of teams could be tempted to overpay..
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Post#1944 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:57 pm

reload141 wrote:I would be shocked if we even had a discussion with Indy.

After Pritchard screwed Ainge over I don’t see them getting along.


FWIW, i heard from a good source that was adamant the Celtics and Pacers agreed to a deal that was structured as Smart, Bradley, Crowder Ojeleye and Mickey for PG and that it was to be executed regardless after Haywards decision [we knew he was coming]. I shared this with a few members on the board and was embarrassed when it didnt come to fruition.

Reading you repeatedly say the same makes me feel better that I heard good info.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1945 » by CelticsLV » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:00 am

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reload141 wrote:I would be shocked if we even had a discussion with Indy.

After Pritchard screwed Ainge over I don’t see them getting along.


That's not how Ainge works. He doesn't hold grudges. This is not a kindergarden.

And it can hardly be called screwing over. We don't even know what Ainge was willing to offer. Maybe it was something meh.


If you agree to a deal [and he did] and then back out without telling the other party, its a lot to expect said party to trust your word again.


Who says there was an agreed deal? Do you have a single reputable source for this?
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Post#1946 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:15 am

The timing and the sourcing kind of give this rumor the feel of a negotiating tactic, too, force Sabonis to choose between the devil he knows, offering less money than he wants, and the devil he doesn't. Who has the cap space to pay big for Sabonis next summer? The center position actually has a fair amount of depth right now, the teams who could use him don't have the pieces to trade for him now, and bigs who don't stretch the floor and don't protect the rim are tough sells.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1947 » by reload141 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:26 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
reload141 wrote:I would be shocked if we even had a discussion with Indy.

After Pritchard screwed Ainge over I don’t see them getting along.


FWIW, i heard from a good source that was adamant the Celtics and Pacers agreed to a deal that was structured as Smart, Bradley, Crowder Ojeleye and Mickey for PG and that it was to be executed regardless after Haywards decision [we knew he was coming]. I shared this with a few members on the board and was embarrassed when it didnt come to fruition.

Reading you repeatedly say the same makes me feel better that I heard good info.


Yeah it was extremely bad by Pritchard, we were fuming pretty hard about it.

Good source finding too, except you didn’t share it with me?!?!?!!

Haha
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1948 » by SmartWentCrazy » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:29 am

reload141 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
reload141 wrote:I would be shocked if we even had a discussion with Indy.

After Pritchard screwed Ainge over I don’t see them getting along.


FWIW, i heard from a good source that was adamant the Celtics and Pacers agreed to a deal that was structured as Smart, Bradley, Crowder Ojeleye and Mickey for PG and that it was to be executed regardless after Haywards decision [we knew he was coming]. I shared this with a few members on the board and was embarrassed when it didnt come to fruition.

Reading you repeatedly say the same makes me feel better that I heard good info.


Yeah it was extremely bad by Pritchard, we were fuming pretty hard about it.

Good source finding too, except you didn’t share it with me?!?!?!!

Haha


Hah thats my bad— tried to keep the specifics largely on the DL because I heard it around the time Tanguay ‘reported’ Haywards interest in the Suns and I realized many plugged in reporters read the forums and I didnt want to broadly share it to blow up a spot.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1949 » by SmartWentCrazy » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:40 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
FWIW, i heard from a good source that was adamant the Celtics and Pacers agreed to a deal that was structured as Smart, Bradley, Crowder Ojeleye and Mickey for PG and that it was to be executed regardless after Haywards decision [we knew he was coming]. I shared this with a few members on the board and was embarrassed when it didnt come to fruition.

Reading you repeatedly say the same makes me feel better that I heard good info.


Some history, for those that are curious:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1582283&p=56791313&hilit=Pg+source#p56791313
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Post#1950 » by Feed Your Head » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:15 am

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That's not how Ainge works. He doesn't hold grudges. This is not a kindergarden.

And it can hardly be called screwing over. We don't even know what Ainge was willing to offer. Maybe it was something meh.


If you agree to a deal [and he did] and then back out without telling the other party, its a lot to expect said party to trust your word again.


Who says there was an agreed deal? Do you have a single reputable source for this?


The deal was agreed upon, Celtics were under the impression they had George. If multiple trusted insiders are "reputable" enough, well that's up to you.
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Post#1951 » by CelticsLV » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:19 am

The Comedian wrote:
CelticsLV wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
If you agree to a deal [and he did] and then back out without telling the other party, its a lot to expect said party to trust your word again.


Who says there was an agreed deal? Do you have a single reputable source for this?


The deal was agreed upon, Celtics were under the impression they had George. If multiple trusted insiders are "reputable" enough, that's up to you.


Well, I don't really trust any insider here except Smitty. He or any reputable source outside of this forum reported nothing like that. So I don't take this "Celtics had an agreed deal with Pacers" as a fact.
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Post#1952 » by Feed Your Head » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:24 am

CelticsLV wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
CelticsLV wrote:
Who says there was an agreed deal? Do you have a single reputable source for this?


The deal was agreed upon, Celtics were under the impression they had George. If multiple trusted insiders are "reputable" enough, that's up to you.


Well, I don't really trust any insider here except Smitty. He or any reputable source outside of this forum reported nothing like that. So I don't take this "Celtics had a deal agreed" as a fact.


You're free to trust or not trust whomever, but reload was as legitimate as it gets.

I do agree with you that Ainge would talk to Indy, if the right deal was available.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1953 » by canman1971 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:28 am

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The Comedian wrote:
CelticsLV wrote:
Who says there was an agreed deal? Do you have a single reputable source for this?


The deal was agreed upon, Celtics were under the impression they had George. If multiple trusted insiders are "reputable" enough, that's up to you.


Well, I don't really trust any insider here except Smitty. He or any reputable source outside of this forum reported nothing like that. So I don't take this "Celtics had a deal agreed" as a fact.

Not even sure the point of this. Why should anyone care if you trust any "source" whether on this forum or in the wonderful local or national media? Same as nobody should care if I trust the same. If trust is a criteria for posting on the internet, then we are all doomed. Your comment is a backhanded insult to anyone but Smitty. What's the point really? Except, I guess, you trust Smitty (time to celebrate Smitty),whom I'm assuming you've never met. Weird world we live in. Point is, don't trust anyone on the internet; that's what I tell my students and my son. Simple.
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Post#1954 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:32 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Would offer Romeo and picks for Sabonis. Indy gets a local kid that fits perfectly as a 3 next to Oladipo. Would not trade Jaylen.


When is Romeo eligible to be traded?

Actually, which of our players are eligible to be traded right now, period? :) Tatum, Brown, Smart, Hayward, Ojeleye and Robert Williams obviously are, since each of them was signed long before the most recent offseason. But is anybody else?
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Post#1955 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:35 am

reload141 wrote:I would be shocked if we even had a discussion with Indy.

After Pritchard screwed Ainge over I don’t see them getting along.


Maybe you can rule out certain styles of ongoing, good-faith negotiations. But in a league this small, it's tough to permanently blackball anybody.

"Hey, I have a deal idea. Let's either get it done by the close of business tomorrow or completely drop it." is probably possible between any pair of teams.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1956 » by Darth Celtic » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:38 am

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reload141 wrote:I would be shocked if we even had a discussion with Indy.

After Pritchard screwed Ainge over I don’t see them getting along.


Maybe you can rule out certain styles of ongoing, good-faith negotiations. But in a league this small, it's tough to permanently blackball anybody.

"Hey, I have a deal idea. Let's either get it done by the close of business tomorrow or completely drop it." is probably possible between any pair of teams.

I mean, if he calls up and wants Semi, wannamaker and the bucks pick for Sabonis, you answer the phone I guess, otherwise, F that guy.

We trade for PG13 and get Hayward with howard, then we don't ever trade for Kyrie.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1957 » by canman1971 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:40 am

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reload141 wrote:I would be shocked if we even had a discussion with Indy.

After Pritchard screwed Ainge over I don’t see them getting along.


Maybe you can rule out certain styles of ongoing, good-faith negotiations. But in a league this small, it's tough to permanently blackball anybody.

"Hey, I have a deal idea. Let's either get it done by the close of business tomorrow or completely drop it." is probably possible between any pair of teams.

I certainly understand what you are saying, but unless it is some no brainer deal, I can easily see Ainge, or another GM who has an issue with Ainge or any GM, saying go pound sand regarding a deal even if it makes sense. They are still human, and humans will hold grudges. Now, of course, that isn't the best business practice, but look at the entire world and how it is run. There is plenty of poor decisions to go around.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1958 » by Big Joke Line » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:48 am

Higgs Boston wrote:Of course sabonis is available, pacers already know he is terrible as PF and can't play with turner. He is the typical offensive C that isn't really good at anything, average athlete, average defender at best, and his ideal role is as 3 big coming from the bench.
It's crazy that some people think that this type of player has the same potential as a two way wing with elite athleticism like Brown.

It was so clear in the playoffs who the better player was I’m shocked anybody even wants Sabonis.
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Post#1959 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:50 am

Did the Cs forgo some other possible deal while expecting the Pacers one to go through? That could have a lot of impact on how screwed they did or didn't feel.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1960 » by CelticsLV » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:53 am

canman1971 wrote:
CelticsLV wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
The deal was agreed upon, Celtics were under the impression they had George. If multiple trusted insiders are "reputable" enough, that's up to you.


Well, I don't really trust any insider here except Smitty. He or any reputable source outside of this forum reported nothing like that. So I don't take this "Celtics had a deal agreed" as a fact.

Not even sure the point of this. Why should anyone care if you trust any "source" whether on this forum or in the wonderful local or national media? Same as nobody should care if I trust the same. If trust is a criteria for posting on the internet, then we are all doomed. Your comment is a backhanded insult to anyone but Smitty. What's the point really? Except, I guess, you trust Smitty (time to celebrate Smitty),whom I'm assuming you've never met. Weird world we live in. Point is, don't trust anyone on the internet; that's what I tell my students and my son. Simple.


What don't you understand here!? I asked a proof from a reputable source. I got an answer that insiders on this board said it but I explained that I don't consider the "insiders" on this board legit/trustworthy. Where's the insult!? Not trusting some insider is an insult now? I simply don't take their info as facts. I doubt reload considers this as an insult but you for some reason do.

Why you got so butthurt is what I don't understand.

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