Trade Ideas Thread

[Celts17Pride]

Tossing out ideas. A Celtics/Pistons idea. Keep in mind there are not a lot of options out there.

Celtics trade Hayward, #14
Pistons trade Snell, Rose, #7

Pistons get Hayward to go with Blake Griffin and a young player at #14

Celtics get a scoring backup to Kemba, a three point shooting wing in Snell (40% three point shooter the last 4 years) off the bench, the #7 pick (hopefully for Okongwu) and get about $15 million in cap savings.

[playa-hater]

Smart has been in the league long enough to know his chucking bs needs to stop. He is a frustrating player when he pulls his hero ball act.

Times1000!!

[playa-hater]

Tossing out ideas. A Celtics/Pistons idea. Keep in mind there are not a lot of options out there.

Celtics trade Hayward, #14
Pistons trade Snell, Rose, #7

Pistons get Hayward to go with Blake Griffin and a young player at #14

Celtics get a scoring backup to Kemba, a three point shooting wing in Snell (40% three point shooter the last 4 years) off the bench, the #7 pick (hopefully for Okongwu) and get about $15 million in cap savings.

I feel Det would want an additional draft pick for this.

[Celts17Pride]

Tossing out ideas. A Celtics/Pistons idea. Keep in mind there are not a lot of options out there.

Celtics trade Hayward, #14
Pistons trade Snell, Rose, #7

Pistons get Hayward to go with Blake Griffin and a young player at #14

Celtics get a scoring backup to Kemba, a three point shooting wing in Snell (40% three point shooter the last 4 years) off the bench, the #7 pick (hopefully for Okongwu) and get about $15 million in cap savings.

I feel Det would want an additional draft pick for this.

Doesn’t really matter. Hayward doesn’t have to opt in until after the draft so any trade before the draft would have to be to a place he wants to go. No one wants to go to Detroit probably including Gordon Hayward.

Any Hayward trade concerning draft picks for this year’s draft would have to be worked out with Hayward to a place he would like to play. Again, doubt it’s Detroit

[100proof]

Tossing out ideas. A Celtics/Pistons idea. Keep in mind there are not a lot of options out there.

Celtics trade Hayward, #14
Pistons trade Snell, Rose, #7

Pistons get Hayward to go with Blake Griffin and a young player at #14

Celtics get a scoring backup to Kemba, a three point shooting wing in Snell (40% three point shooter the last 4 years) off the bench, the #7 pick (hopefully for Okongwu) and get about $15 million in cap savings.

Detroit might want 30 too, but I think I make that deal. Also allows team to draft a really nice young player at 7.(Haliburton, vassell, Okoro

[djFan71]

Tossing out ideas. A Celtics/Pistons idea. Keep in mind there are not a lot of options out there.

Celtics trade Hayward, #14
Pistons trade Snell, Rose, #7

Pistons get Hayward to go with Blake Griffin and a young player at #14

Celtics get a scoring backup to Kemba, a three point shooting wing in Snell (40% three point shooter the last 4 years) off the bench, the #7 pick (hopefully for Okongwu) and get about $15 million in cap savings.

I feel Det would want an additional draft pick for this.

Doesn’t really matter. Hayward doesn’t have to opt in until after the draft so any trade before the draft would have to be to a place he wants to go. No one wants to go to Detroit probably including Gordon Hayward.

Any Hayward trade concerning draft picks for this year’s draft would have to be worked out with Hayward to a place he would like to play. Again, doubt it’s Detroit

ConstableGeneva said his opt-in date is pre-draft. Something like 10/17, iirc.

I'm sure they'd still try to work something out with him, but it may not be a requirement. Assuming CG is correct. Which is usually a good assumption. And that I remembered correctly, which may not be...

[Disinformation]

Smart has been in the league long enough to know his chucking bs needs to stop. He is a frustrating player when he pulls his hero ball act.

Times1000!!

In retrospect, that 5 three-pointer 4th quarter against Toronto in Game 2 might have been the worst thing to happen to the offense. It reinforced Smart's self-image as a scorer. We saw a lot of Smart shooting threes in the first 5-10 seconds of the shot clock after that -- and that should never happen.

[reload141]

Starting at center... from Texas A&M (and other unknown dimensions)...

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I am all aboard this train. Could not be higher on him for next season.

I mean if they don’t want to “upgrade” the C position then they need to say to Theis that he’s off the bench and say Timelord you’re starting every game.

That’s the only way.

[MagicBagley18]

Dipo worse?? Salary issues could be problematic but stuff like whether Hayward had better efficiency and numbers is irrelevant, because Dipo is a bonafide closer who can win you games. When has Hayward ever been that? The on paper stat comparison doesn't work with these two, as Hayward can't even be relied upon to hit bunnies in the middle of games, never mind hit you game winners. Also, when has Hayward ever made an all defensive team or All NBA team like Oladipo has? Again, can't just compare offensive numbers between these two as Dipo is the better defender.

Dipo should be better with the injury this coming season, and pre injury he was top 3 in the league in crunch time scoring. That's a luxury this team needs. We'd be in the Finals right now if we had a true closing scorer on this team.

So it's okay to penalize Hayward for coming back two/three weeks earlier than he should while also hoping Oladipo goes back to his 2018 self? Doesn't seem fair. 'Cos Utah Hayward actually won a series for them and produced in the series against the Warriors. The issue even when he was healthy was usage/role. Same issue you'd run into when you get Oladipo. Actually worse, 'cos I don't think Dipo would want to take a step back for Tatum, Kemba, or Brown.

We've seen this movie before. Kyrie was a "closer" too. Next thing you know, we're blaming Brad for not being able to "make it work" and for everything else including Tatum/Brown plateauing/regressing.

I'd risk usage and whether there's enough ball going around issues to have a Dipo or other closer. We were in so many close games in the playoffs where one more basket means a win. We need someone who can go get a basket and Danny's repeated this every year but never comes through with one. Hayward's good but doesn't put us over the top, even when healthy. We need a crunch time scorer and there aren't many available in the league. The good thing about Dipo is that a lot of closing scorers and shooters give up defense on the other end. Not the case with him.

How about letting the 22 yr old all nba player develop into a closer? It was his first deep run in the playoffs as the main guy. It’s part of the learning curve. Tatum will be a crunch time scorer and I’d rather that come organically than on the back of Oladipo as we hope and pray he stays healthy.

[MagicBagley18]

Starting at center... from Texas A&M (and other unknown dimensions)...

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I am all aboard this train. Could not be higher on him for next season.

I mean if they don’t want to “upgrade” the C position then they need to say to Theis that he’s off the bench and say Timelord you’re starting every game.

That’s the only way.

We have squeezed every last drop out of theis. This is his zenith. He’s good enough against most teams but he will struggle against the elite teams until we have an mvp caliber talent on our squad.

I don’t care what the stats say.

[Bad-Thoma]

Starting at center... from Texas A&M (and other unknown dimensions)...

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I am all aboard this train. Could not be higher on him for next season.

I mean if they don’t want to “upgrade” the C position then they need to say to Theis that he’s off the bench and say Timelord you’re starting every game.

That’s the only way.

I think that'll take care of itself provided TL can stay healthy long enough to get some experience. He probably would have been of some more use in the playoffs if it wasn't for the shutdown, he needs some live reps to get past the rotation mistakes and get comfortable. I'm on the "training wheels off" bandwagon for next season of the frontcourt doesn't get an upgrade, I love what Theis has done but I'd love him more doing it off the bench.

[reload141]

I am all aboard this train. Could not be higher on him for next season.

I mean if they don’t want to “upgrade” the C position then they need to say to Theis that he’s off the bench and say Timelord you’re starting every game.

That’s the only way.

I think that'll take care of itself provided TL can stay healthy long enough to get some experience. He probably would have been of some more use in the playoffs if it wasn't for the shutdown, he needs some live reps to get past the rotation mistakes and get comfortable. I'm on the "training wheels off" bandwagon for next season of the frontcourt doesn't get an upgrade, I love what Theis has done but I'd love him more doing it off the bench.

Couldn’t agree more, training wheels off if he’s healthy and good to go.

Theis to the bench gives us more depth and really the C position (if everyone is healthy) should be rolling out as Timelord/Theis/GWill

[MagicBagley18]

No way in hell we can get pelicans to accept a Jrue holiday/redick for Hayward and filler + picks package huh?

Redick veteran shooter off the bench....Jrue at the 2 who embodies that all nba defense we value and then smart comes in off the bench continues that. Could play smart and Jrue same time- also even get a kemba/Jrue/smart lineup at times.

[MagicBagley18]

Problem with the holiday redick deal is they are both free agents....but so is hayward. I guess it doesn’t get us any contracts that go past this upcoming season

[Parliament10]

I mean if they don’t want to “upgrade” the C position then they need to say to Theis that he’s off the bench and say Timelord you’re starting every game.

That’s the only way.

I think that'll take care of itself provided TL can stay healthy long enough to get some experience. He probably would have been of some more use in the playoffs if it wasn't for the shutdown, he needs some live reps to get past the rotation mistakes and get comfortable. I'm on the "training wheels off" bandwagon for next season of the frontcourt doesn't get an upgrade, I love what Theis has done but I'd love him more doing it off the bench.

Couldn’t agree more, training wheels off if he’s healthy and good to go.

Theis to the bench gives us more depth and really the C position (if everyone is healthy) should be rolling out as Timelord/Theis/GWill

I'm all for this depth chart. But what we really need, is to get a better Starting Center.:

Turner / Timelord / Theis / G.Williams
_____________________________________________


And maybe a completed Roster, something like:

Proposed Rotation, 2020-21:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - G.Williams - Turner
Smart - Langford - Lamb - McDermott - R.Williams/Theis
Waters - Wanamaker/Edwards - (Rookie)
Maine Red Claws = (Rookie), Fall


Possible Trade:

[Darthlukey]

I think that'll take care of itself provided TL can stay healthy long enough to get some experience. He probably would have been of some more use in the playoffs if it wasn't for the shutdown, he needs some live reps to get past the rotation mistakes and get comfortable. I'm on the "training wheels off" bandwagon for next season of the frontcourt doesn't get an upgrade, I love what Theis has done but I'd love him more doing it off the bench.

Couldn’t agree more, training wheels off if he’s healthy and good to go.

Theis to the bench gives us more depth and really the C position (if everyone is healthy) should be rolling out as Timelord/Theis/GWill

I'm all for this depth chart. But what we really need, is to get a better Starting Center.:

Turner / Timelord / Theis / G.Williams
_____________________________________________


And maybe a completed Roster, something like:

Proposed Rotation, 2020-21:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - G.Williams - Turner
Smart - Langford - Lamb - McDermott - R.Williams/Theis
Waters - Wanamaker/Edwards - (Rookie)
Maine Red Claws = (Rookie), Fall


Possible Trade:

I think thats a pretty good deal, but based on what I have read on the T&T board (yes, I just discovered it), Pacers fans seem to totally hate any deal that is centred around Turner for Hayward.

[darylbe]

Oladipo,JB,Kemba,JT sharing one ball, thats cringe offense.

Worse locker room.

Disagree. Hayward took 12 shots in our elimination game, and Smart 22. Considering Smart should be at no more than 8, that's 26 more shots to go around in playoff games. Plenty for Oladipo and enough left over for Kemba to get more than he got per game this year. Titles are all about defense and putting the ball in the hoop, especially at the end of games. Dipo checks all those boxes.

Team game planned for Smart to Shoot. Tatum, Brown. Kemba, Hayward all needed to step up and demand more.

But lets not forget that Smart was constantly our 3rd best player this past offseason.

The go to guys need to score, then smart will shoot less. JT Never shows up in the first quarter, and had several game where he was nothing for a half... Absolutely unacceptable
When crap like that happens, yes, smart is taking 20 shots.
But if the scorers score, I think he will calm his crap down

[floyd]

Problem with the holiday redick deal is they are both free agents....but so is hayward. I guess it doesn’t get us any contracts that go past this upcoming season

Thought he (Holiday) had 2 years left but I see 21-22 is a player option. Assume he opts out to not risk that last big contract.

[ConstableGeneva]

I feel Det would want an additional draft pick for this.

Doesn’t really matter. Hayward doesn’t have to opt in until after the draft so any trade before the draft would have to be to a place he wants to go. No one wants to go to Detroit probably including Gordon Hayward.

Any Hayward trade concerning draft picks for this year’s draft would have to be worked out with Hayward to a place he would like to play. Again, doubt it’s Detroit

ConstableGeneva said his opt-in date is pre-draft. Something like 10/17, iirc.

I'm sure they'd still try to work something out with him, but it may not be a requirement. Assuming CG is correct. Which is usually a good assumption. And that I remembered correctly, which may not be...

You are correct -- I'm never wrong, even when I am.

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Not sure if that has changed since then. Spotrac has it on 17th too.
BBallInsiders lists the option deadline date on October 15.

NBA Draft is on November 18: https://www.nba.com/draft

[rambo_ortega]

Bos Gets:
Victor Oladipo
Myles Turner

They finally get a big who is a threat on both ends. This was the missing link for them this season. Now they can have a match up for the likes of Bam Adebayo and AD. Getting Oladipo would also fit right into their system because of his energy on both ends of the floor.

Walker/Oladipo/Brown/Tatum/Turner

Ind Gets:
Gordon Hayward
Daniel Theis

They get a great system player who contributes across the board on offense and a back up big who provides energy and athleticism.

Brogdon/Lamb/Hayward/Warren/Sabonis