2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition)

[redslastlaugh]

No salary figure is mentioned, sounds like a minimum.
I wonder if we offered that as well and he took the Suns deal ... or if we didn't make an offer

FROM SHAMS:

Fenerbahce's Nigel Hayes-Davis – the 2025 Euroleague champion and finals MVP as well as Turkish Cup champion and MVP – has agreed to a fully guaranteed one-year contract with the Phoenix Suns, sources tell ESPN. The two-time Euroleague first-teamer returns to the States and NBA.

[djFan71]

FROM SHAMS:

Fenerbahce's Nigel Hayes-Davis – the 2025 Euroleague champion and finals MVP as well as Turkish Cup champion and MVP – has agreed to a fully guaranteed one-year contract with the Phoenix Suns, sources tell ESPN. The two-time Euroleague first-teamer returns to the States and NBA.

Man, first Rasheer, now Hayes-Davis. Suns are being jerks.

[The Corey's]

Trade someone already

[flintsky21]

For Brad's sake, I pray Kalkbrenner and Raynaud big time suck.

[phincsfan]

Wonder if JB's gonna give Luka his 741 Rover's ?

[cloverleaf]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/g/garzalu01d.html

35% behind the arc. Took 5 shots a game from 3. 70% ft shooter. 10 boards a game.

Give him and Neems minutes Joseph.

And don't give me "those are g league stats", because Davison has been crowned the next coming of whomever and all he did was outplay his g league availability with the Celtics. If the G League had unlimited time with one team, JD would be in Portland and not the city on the west coast.

Shot 27.8% from 3 in the NBA last year (39 games) and .281 in the NBA the year before (25 games).
Career (4 years) .699 on FTs and .582 TS%.
His big weakness is D.

[phincsfan]

Suns did a good job with trades, drafting and free agency

That has been surprising

[celtxman]

We built our team the right way—no reckless spending, no supermax free agents, just smart drafting, player development, and solid trades. Now, thanks to a CBA negotiated by CJ McCollum and the NBPA, we’re stuck under harsh restrictions like we’re one of the teams that went all-in with irresponsible spending. It’s one of the worst CBAs in recent memory.

Take your parity NBA and shove it.

I just have one correction for you. It is THE worst CBA in any sport ever for fans

[chakdaddy]

We built our team the right way—no reckless spending, no supermax free agents, just smart drafting, player development, and solid trades. Now, thanks to a CBA negotiated by CJ McCollum and the NBPA, we’re stuck under harsh restrictions like we’re one of the teams that went all-in with irresponsible spending. It’s one of the worst CBAs in recent memory.

Take your parity NBA and shove it.

Yeah, but it's mostly window dressing for teams to save face about cutting costs. CBA makes it impossible to keep adding salaries, but the only obstacle to maintaining salary is escalating costs.

Owners just didn't want to two years worth of tax to only contend in '27. Now we won't have any avenue to acquire a big with KP off the books. Unless we somehow trade Simons

[Curmudgeon]

So what's the over/under with the number of shots Brown and Simons average per game. 40? 45? 50?

[celtxman]

For Brad's sake, I pray Kalkbrenner and Raynaud big time suck.

Yeah. There was talk about not drafting Kalkbrenner because we had Luke. I'm not one who gets geeked about 2nd round picks but with this situation and probably losing Horford, I hope you're right.

[Curmudgeon]

Frankly I would expect Horford to retire. Has he squandered his money like Antoine Walker?

[Fierce1]

Denver getting Cam and Bruce is now a legit threat to OKC.

[chrisab123]

We built our team the right way—no reckless spending, no supermax free agents, just smart drafting, player development, and solid trades. Now, thanks to a CBA negotiated by CJ McCollum and the NBPA, we’re stuck under harsh restrictions like we’re one of the teams that went all-in with irresponsible spending. It’s one of the worst CBAs in recent memory.

Take your parity NBA and shove it.

Yeah, but it's mostly window dressing for teams to save face about cutting costs. CBA makes it impossible to keep adding salaries, but the only obstacle to maintaining salary is escalating costs.

Owners just didn't want to two years worth of tax to only contend in '27. Now we won't have any avenue to acquire a big with KP off the books. Unless we somehow trade Simons

I’m not sure if that’s correct. They’re playing a dangerous game with Tatum in the future if that’s the case. I know some here wouldn’t shed a tear if he left but you aren’t ever signing a FA as good as him unless you move the franchise to a more desirable market or you luck into someone in the draft. Be careful about messing with the culture.

[celtxman]

So what's the over/under with the number of shots Brown and Simons average per game. 40? 45? 50?

For what teams?

[Curmudgeon]

Denver getting Cam and Bruce is now a legit threat to OKC.

No they are not. Houston may be a threat, but not Denver.

[Curmudgeon]

So what's the over/under with the number of shots Brown and Simons average per game. 40? 45? 50?

For what teams?

For the one in Boston. Doesn't look like either one will be traded. Hope I'm wrong.

[hugepatsfan]

White / Pritchard / Davison
Simons / Gonzalez
Brown / Scheierman / Walsh
Hauser / Niang / (Tatum)
Queta / Garza / Tillman

The 2nd rounders and presumably Peterson on the two ways.

Above the tax but below 2nd apron team. Need to shed about $18M to duck the tax if they go that route. Can get there by by dumping Hauser and Niang but would take mid season maneuvering with pro rated players taking the spots of guys sent packing because filling out the spots take you over. Obviously can save money to duck the tax with a Simons trade instead of or in addition to Niang/Hauser depending on finals calcs.

Peterson is an NBA player. I hope they do something with him other than a 2way. Trade Tillman to free up space for him.

I don't think that's the smart way to manage things. Tillman makes $2,546,675. Peterson's minimum would be $2,048,491. So you'd save about $500K. The way to do it though is you carry Tilman until the deadline, or let's say for 50% of the season for easy math, and then dump him to replace him with Peterson. At that point, instead of that full $2,048,491 for Peterson, you have the prorated portion of it - $1,024,246 if we use the halfway point (in reality the deadline a bit later so his salary would be lower). Now instead of just $500K, you save about $1.5M.

It doesn't sound like much, but it's actually crucial for us. Not saying they're going to do it now, but I'm sue they want the flexibility to duck the tax by the deadline if it makes sense to. Right now, salary dumping Hauser and Niang wouldn't quiiiiiiiiiiiite get us there. You have to get creative with it if you want to avoid the more challenging proposition of deadline Simons (bigger salary means tougher deal to work out without maybe needing to take future money).

Unless Peterson forces their hand with an offer elsewhere, it's just not smart business to give him an NBA deal right now instead of 2-way, even if they have every intention or belief of doing it midseason.

[phincsfan]

Denver getting Cam and Bruce is now a legit threat to OKC.

It'll be interesting to see how Holmes comes back from his achilles tear.

[Fierce1]

Denver getting Cam and Bruce is now a legit threat to OKC.

No they are not. Houston may be a threat, but not Denver.

Any team that has Jokic will always be a threat, especially with the right supporting cast.

Udoka mediocre on offense will have trouble against Denver and OKC.