Trade Thread 2021-22: To Trade Or Trade Not

[Higgs Boston]

Simmons makes no sense unless if we ask him before the trade if he accepts to play as PF-C like Green with the warriors, and I don't know if he can handle it.

[Ed Pinkney]

Simmons away from Embiid with a roster better suited to take advantage of his skillset is still a really, really good basketball player.

I would have no problem with the Celtics seeing what a core of Tatum, Brown and Simmons could do. Don't know if the salaries would be able to work as Simmons makes a lot.

So you think a trio core of Tatum, Brown and Simmons interests you given that they're gonna be 3 max guys, then we'd be left with cheap ass roleplayers. By default we would play 4 vs 5 on offense where Tatum gets double teamed everytime and you wanna tie 30m+ in capspace for a useless mental midget?

Yes it does interest me, that's why I wrote as much in my previous post. The Celtics have had three max or near max players on the roster for multiple seasons in a row, that is not a reason to avoid going after a player.

A useless mental midget? Maybe ease up on the hyperbole a bit there champ, just because Simmons is a flawed player that had a bad series does not change the fact that he is still an All Star/All NBA level talent, a defensive player of the year candidate, and still only 24 years old. Do the Celtics sweep the Sixers last season if Simmons is healthy? No way. Do they even win that series? Its entirely possible they don't. Embiid deserves blame for his play in this Hawks series too by the way, so do other players on their roster, so does Rivers and the coaching staff.

Would Simmons work on the Celtics? Who knows. But getting Simmons away from the stink on that Sixers franchise from the Process era, away from the toxic fans they have, away from Embiid etc, could make a huge difference. And if the Celtics decided to make a move for him (as unlikely as that would even be), I would be really excited about the potential of a Tatum/Brown/Simmons trio.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Simmons away from Embiid with a roster better suited to take advantage of his skillset is still a really, really good basketball player.

I would have no problem with the Celtics seeing what a core of Tatum, Brown and Simmons could do. Don't know if the salaries would be able to work as Simmons makes a lot.

So you think a trio core of Tatum, Brown and Simmons interests you given that they're gonna be 3 max guys, then we'd be left with cheap ass roleplayers. By default we would play 4 vs 5 on offense where Tatum gets double teamed everytime and you wanna tie 30m+ in capspace for a useless mental midget?

Yes it does interest me, that's why I wrote as much in my previous post. The Celtics have had three max or near max players on the roster for multiple seasons in a row, that is not a reason to avoid going after a player.

A useless mental midget? Maybe ease up on the hyperbole a bit there champ, just because Simmons is a flawed player that had a bad series does not change the fact that he is still an All Star/All NBA level talent, a defensive player of the year candidate, and still only 24 years old. Do the Celtics sweep the Sixers last season if Simmons is healthy? No way. Do they even win that series? Its entirely possible they don't. Embiid deserves blame for his play in this Hawks series too by the way, so do other players on their roster, so does Rivers and the coaching staff.

Would Simmons work on the Celtics? Who knows. But getting Simmons away from the stink on that Sixers franchise from the Process era, away from the toxic fans they have, away from Embiid etc, could make a huge difference. And if the Celtics decided to make a move for him (as unlikely as that would even be), I would be really excited about the potential of a Tatum/Brown/Simmons trio.

It's definitely a risk/reward scenario with high stakes. But...if:

- the Jays ticked off on it; this is ESSENTIAL
- Ben understands he doesn't start (or finish) until he works on his shot/FTs more while taking more shots in game
- Ben agrees to play the 1 and 4 at times when needed

then I could get behind it.

We have a roster that has potential but is likely to be bridesmaid the next few years unless we take a risk. Is this the risk worth taking? I'm not sure, but I could understand the thinking if we went for it. Then it would be entertaining either way, a massive pay off or a massive train wreck.

[Bleeding Green]

Dinwiddie is hardly a better defender or distributor. Also he's coming off an ACL injury, and also tore his ACL in college that at the time was considered potentially career-ending. If this team adds yet another injured PG who scores below league-average efficiency I will scream. Dinwiddie averages below 50 games a season in his career. Absolute pukeworthy player. This franchise can't just keep adding injured players year after year. Every single player on the roster not named Tatum is a massive injury risk. Stay away from all the injured players, please.

Not to worry: Semi, Grant, Tacko, Tremont and Carsen are always available!

I think just Grant and Carsen will be on the roster next year, and even they are pretty expendable in trade. Hopefully this GM seeks out fewer injured players.

[Scarletfire81]

I dont want Simmons, he cant shoot the ball and hes terrible at the line as well. Smart is a better player, and people want him gone, can you imagine how crazy Ben Simmons would drive Celtics fans?

[FlatearthZorro]

Poking around a list of NBA PFs to pair with Moses Tatum an Brown. The Grizz have a few we can poach. I'd offer TL Romey and something else for Jaren Jackson Jr. I'm getting a bad feeling we're running with Fournier Brown and Tatum plus a point and a center. I'm not as smart as you guys but that's same old same old to me.

We need a bench. The thing that stopped us from competing this seaosn was bench and obviously injuries.
I've been watching this year's playoffs here and there and I'm jealous of other teams' benches. We need 2-3 solid guys- Edwards, Grant and Semi need to be cut or traded.

PG
Fournier
Brown
Tatum
Horford

Could be the best regular season team in the league if we add 2 good, experienced role players to Pritchard/ Bobby Williams(Moses).

[FlatearthZorro]

Marcus and company for James Harden.


Harden/Pritchard
Nesmith
Brown/Fournier
Tatum
Horford/Timelord

Too late for that. The nets will def run it back.

I'm very intersted in Reggie Jackson, Batum among others that will be FAs. These guys will boost our bench big time.

[Triple7]

Simmons away from Embiid with a roster better suited to take advantage of his skillset is still a really, really good basketball player.

I would have no problem with the Celtics seeing what a core of Tatum, Brown and Simmons could do. Don't know if the salaries would be able to work as Simmons makes a lot.

So you think a trio core of Tatum, Brown and Simmons interests you given that they're gonna be 3 max guys, then we'd be left with cheap ass roleplayers. By default we would play 4 vs 5 on offense where Tatum gets double teamed everytime and you wanna tie 30m+ in capspace for a useless mental midget?

Yes it does interest me, that's why I wrote as much in my previous post. The Celtics have had three max or near max players on the roster for multiple seasons in a row, that is not a reason to avoid going after a player.

A useless mental midget? Maybe ease up on the hyperbole a bit there champ, just because Simmons is a flawed player that had a bad series does not change the fact that he is still an All Star/All NBA level talent, a defensive player of the year candidate, and still only 24 years old. Do the Celtics sweep the Sixers last season if Simmons is healthy? No way. Do they even win that series? Its entirely possible they don't. Embiid deserves blame for his play in this Hawks series too by the way, so do other players on their roster, so does Rivers and the coaching staff.

Would Simmons work on the Celtics? Who knows. But getting Simmons away from the stink on that Sixers franchise from the Process era, away from the toxic fans they have, away from Embiid etc, could make a huge difference. And if the Celtics decided to make a move for him (as unlikely as that would even be), I would be really excited about the potential of a Tatum/Brown/Simmons trio.

It’s no question Simmons would fit in with the J’s, as he doean’t need to score, and would be the 4th or 5th option on offense. Now here’s the problem with Simmons. He is tied up big up to the 2024-25 season. There is no way we could get him unless we deal Brown, which would be idiotic. I would have been fine trading Kemba for him, but that’s a thing of the past now. Also Asian is right, we expect a 4 > 5 on offense, and He would be totally useless in the 4th on a close game. Hack a Ben would be the strategy, and that will affect this team. Now, the upside would be that Ben suddenly works hard and develop a reliable free throw shooting, and that would be a win. There is no way we could get him now, unless we gut our team, and we would be hard pressed to get decent role players, which would be a problem. So hard pass on him.

[JediMasterRevan]

Ibwoupd be more than ok woth simmons amd all his flaws.

I believe 2 things

1) value is 100% gone. In the dumps.
2) a trade wouldost likely smarten him up

Therefore i think

Thompson amd parker to lakers
Kuzma and a signed and traded fournier to philly
Simmons to boston

Simmons
Smart/nesmith
Brown
Tatum
Horford

Would follow with looking for a straight shooter to start for smart, moving marcus to bench forming a bemch core of pritchard/smart/nesmith/grantw/center

[JediMasterRevan]

Thompson and parker to lakers

edwards amd a 2nd to sacramento

Kuzma, hield to philly

Simmons to Boston


Simmons/pritchard
Fournier/smart
Brown/nesmith
Tatum/grant w
Horford/center

Have a center and romeo to trade for a pick or backup pf upgrade


Let me correct this up a bit.

Thompson, Parker and a little sweetener to Lakers (for Kuzma)
Timelord. Romeo and Carson Edwards to Sacramento (For Hield and #9)
Hield and Kuzma to Philly (Simmons)
Simmons and #9 to Boston.

Resign Fournier
Use Tax Payer MLE on backup PF
Vet min on a wing
Draft a wing with 9
Bring over Yam

Simmons/Pritchard/Yam
Fournier/Smart/Vet Min
Brown/Nesmith/Draft
Tatum/MLE/GrantW
Horford/Moses/Korner

[Triple7]

Thompson and parker to lakers

edwards amd a 2nd to sacramento

Kuzma, hield to philly

Simmons to Boston


Simmons/pritchard
Fournier/smart
Brown/nesmith
Tatum/grant w
Horford/center

Have a center and romeo to trade for a pick or backup pf upgrade

Why would the Lakers agree to that? TT and Parker are both washed. Though that lineup would rival any team, even the Nets super team.

[Celtics_Champs]

I’d rather have Lonzo Ball than Simmons and his max deal.

[Triple7]

I’d rather have Lonzo Ball than Simmons and his max deal.

Same here. Lonzo at least has a decent shooting, and can be better at it in time.

[chrisab123]

I’d rather have Lonzo Ball than Simmons and his max deal.

1000% I want no part of Simmons here. That might be the worst NBA contract next to John Wall.

[Celts17Pride]

Remember when people on this board wanted to trade some of our key guys for Ben Simmons? I do.

That was only about 4-5 days ago. Smh

[BleedGreen1989]

I’d rather have Lonzo Ball than Simmons and his max deal.

Same here. Lonzo at least has a decent shooting, and can be better at it in time.

At least he will attempt a shot...

No thank you on SImmons. I've never wanted to see the young man fail, but I've long been beating the "Ben SImmons is overrated as hell" drum and am feeling a bit vindicated this morning.

[Celts17Pride]

Going to be tough for Philly to find a team willing to take Simmons making $145 million the next 4 years and you can’t play him in the last 5 minutes of a playoff game.

Going to be some desperate team. I’m thinking the Kings

[snowman]

Moving Kemba as soon as we did was a great move. Now we need to focus on the right team to put around Tatum and Brown. I do think Fournier should be resigned. He can play the 2 just fine once he figurers out the defensive rotations. I don't believe he has ever played in a "switch everything" style. I also don't think Horford should start. I would limit him to between 20- 24 min a game, with most of those minutes being at the end of quarters. Like the last 5-6 min of each quarter / half and game. Smart, Fournier, Brown, Tatum and Timelord should start. Time Lord can be limited to 20-24 min a game also, with "Holy" Moses filling out any left over. Out of our bench I would only keep PP, Langford, Nesmith, Parker, "Holy" Moses and Kornet (as an insurance 15th man)

We need to trade or release Thompson, G. Will, Edwards, Waters, Fall and of course let Semi go. That's 4 roster spots and 2 two ways to reload. The 2 ways of Waters and Fall experiment should be over. We can replace them with Madar and our pick 45, so that's easy.

As for the rest:
Thompson, G. Will and Edwards should be able to bring back something positive, hoping for a vet PG, SG or SF in any order. Hornets, Nuggets, Rockets, Lakers, Thunder, Spurs and Raptors all need proven big man depth. Maybe something can be worked out that way for Thompson and G. Will. The Edwards experiment should be over also.

[Triple7]

Going to be tough for Philly to find a team willing to take Simmons making $145 million the next 4 years and you can’t play him in the last 5 minutes of a playoff game.

Going to be some desperate team. I’m thinking the Kings

They would have to include picks, like we did with Kemba. The last 5 mins of the game would be a problem if we have simmons. Hack a ben till the last 2mins. Then, he can’t even touch the ball after that. It will be a total coaching nightmare for us. Lonzo would be the better fit. A pass first guard, that has size, good defensively, attack inside, and can shoot occasionaly. I’d trade Smart for him.

[JediMasterRevan]

Thompson and parker to lakers

edwards amd a 2nd to sacramento

Kuzma, hield to philly

Simmons to Boston


Simmons/pritchard
Fournier/smart
Brown/nesmith
Tatum/grant w
Horford/center

Have a center and romeo to trade for a pick or backup pf upgrade

Why would the Lakers agree to that? TT and Parker are both washed. Though that lineup would rival any team, even the Nets super team.

I think the lakers do that because
1) Davis wants to play PF, so they need a center who can perform his role in the playoffs. Thompson has won in the past with Lebron, is only a single year contract, and Parker will bring offense to the bench in a similar role of Kuzma. Perhaps they need a little sweetener, but shouldnt need much. imo.

And I did type uop a bit too quick while I was between thoughts and breakfast. It really isnt financially possible as constructed.