The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[playa-hater]

I'm debating whether it would really help to trade away the one guy who competes every night (among top in the league in steals and loose balls recovered) for another ballhandler albeit better shooter when the real key to the team's success is for the Jays to improve and be more consistent in the stuff that matter -- offball movement, playmaking/involving other guys, ball movement, defense, valuing possessions, BBIQ, and mental toughness.

is it possible that a more established and trusted shooter and play-maker such as Ingles would get more "swing passes and touches" from Tatum?? (Brown never passes it much) similar to the way Hayward when he played?

Maybe in theory. In practice, we've seen the actual Hayward get frozen out or ignored several possessions in a row, whether he cuts or stands open in the corner. Then he got blamed for not being aggressive enough. The two guys who assisted him the most during his last year were Smart and Kemba.

perhaps this is correct. just like Ingles enough to consider a trade and take a chance depending on what it would cost.

[cl2117]

Starting and playing PP 36 mpg would get us closer to Chet Holmgren.

Firstly, no one said play him 36 mpg. Secondly, I'm sorry but you've got some of the worst takes out here:

Dump Schroder for an expiring and a 2nd or a project. Dump Juancho by attaching 2 seconds. Dump Horford by attaching one first. Lotto protect it for this season. Trade Jaylen for upside prospects. Would GSW take him for Kuminga and Wiseman? Trade Smart and Rob Williams III for Top 29 protected firsts and expirings. Get under the tax and clear the cap for Beal.

Didn't want to give it air in the T&T thread, but this is ugly.

[zoyathedestroya]

is it possible that a more established and trusted shooter and play-maker such as Ingles would get more "swing passes and touches" from Tatum?? (Brown never passes it much) similar to the way Hayward when he played?

Maybe in theory. In practice, we've seen the actual Hayward get frozen out or ignored several possessions in a row, whether he cuts or stands open in the corner. Then he got blamed for not being aggressive enough. The two guys who assisted him the most during his last year were Smart and Kemba.

perhaps this is correct. just like Ingles enough to consider a trade and take a chance depending on what it would cost.

Any upgrade in talent is welcome. Any upgrade in fit even better. But yeah, all depends on the cost.

[playa-hater]

I like all the trade talk and some ideas, but I keep wondering the same thing.

WILL TRADER STEVENS EVEN MAKE A TRADE! WILL IT BE A BIG ONE OR JUST A MINOR ONE??

[Triple7]

is it possible that a more established and trusted shooter and play-maker such as Ingles would get more "swing passes and touches" from Tatum?? (Brown never passes it much) similar to the way Hayward when he played?

Maybe in theory. In practice, we've seen the actual Hayward get frozen out or ignored several possessions in a row, whether he cuts or stands open in the corner. Then he got blamed for not being aggressive enough. The two guys who assisted him the most during his last year were Smart and Kemba.

perhaps this is correct. just like Ingles enough to consider a trade and take a chance depending on what it would cost.

Ingles is more of a specialist. You send him in if you want shooting, or some playmaking. Would love to have a microwave type of a player off the bench. Clarkson is perfect for utah. A reggie jackson type of player that can give you instant offense. How about a terrence Ross? That dude can light it up at times.

[playa-hater]

Maybe in theory. In practice, we've seen the actual Hayward get frozen out or ignored several possessions in a row, whether he cuts or stands open in the corner. Then he got blamed for not being aggressive enough. The two guys who assisted him the most during his last year were Smart and Kemba.

perhaps this is correct. just like Ingles enough to consider a trade and take a chance depending on what it would cost.

Ingles is more of a specialist. You send him in if you want shooting, or some playmaking. Would love to have a microwave type of a player off the bench. Clarkson is perfect for utah. A reggie jackson type of player that can give you instant offense. How about a terrence Ross? That dude can light it up at times.

I am not into small sample sizes, and to this point this season is still young.. But he has been shooting poorly from 3 so far. Is he much different than J Rich??

[Triple7]

perhaps this is correct. just like Ingles enough to consider a trade and take a chance depending on what it would cost.

Ingles is more of a specialist. You send him in if you want shooting, or some playmaking. Would love to have a microwave type of a player off the bench. Clarkson is perfect for utah. A reggie jackson type of player that can give you instant offense. How about a terrence Ross? That dude can light it up at times.

I am not into small sample sizes, and to this point this season is still young.. But he has been shooting poorly from 3 so far. Is he much different than J Rich??

I agree he has been shooting rather poorly this season. He had games last season when he shot lights out. He had a 50 pt game once, 10/17 from 3. I doubt JRich can ever score like that. Although JRich is a better all around player with great defense.

[Celts17Pride]

I like all the trade talk and some ideas, but I keep wondering the same thing.

WILL TRADER STEVENS EVEN MAKE A TRADE! WILL IT BE A BIG ONE OR JUST A MINOR ONE??

I personally believe the ground is going to shake in Boston come Feb 10th trade deadline. Stevens and the Celtics know they need big changes and not just tinkering around the edges. The Boston Celtics are quickly becoming irrelevant.

[zoyathedestroya]

Been saying it for a few seasons now, but there's a clash of style/philosophy between our coaching staff (Brad and Ime both) and our top players. One side wants more ball/player movement and focuses more on the defensive end. The other side wants to score and have the freedom to score. It was never a perfect marriage ever since keys were handed to the Jays (well, also Kyrie before them). I think Stevens did his best to reconcile the two styles but eventually failed against Miami's zone lol. Now rookie poor man's Stevens is struggling even more to get through to Tatum and Brown moreso to play "the right way" or Ime's way. I also suggested to get a coach who can maximize the my-turn-your-turn style (D'Antoni and Stotts come to mind) or trade one of the Jays (preferably Brown). We've done neither. What we'll do is reshuffle the deck chairs yet again and hope the new guys will mesh better.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Been saying it for a few seasons now, but there's a clash of style/philosophy between our coaching staff (Brad and Ime both) and our top players. One side wants more ball/player movement and focuses more on the defensive end. The other side wants to score and have the freedom to score. It was never a perfect marriage ever since keys were handed to the Jays (well, also Kyrie before them). I think Stevens did his best to reconcile the two styles but eventually failed against Miami's zone lol. Now rookie poor man's Stevens is struggling even more to get through to Tatum and Brown moreso to play "the right way" or Ime's way. I also suggested to get a coach who can maximize the my-turn-your-turn style (D'Antoni and Stotts come to mind) or trade one of the Jays (preferably Brown). We've done neither. What we'll do is reshuffle the deck chairs yet again and hope the new guys will mesh better.

Idk, I feel like Ime might be capable of a low-key version of what Doc Rivers did for Pierce - they locked horns about “hero ball” all the time

[djFan71]

My super sexy trade idea:

DAL: Shroder & Juancho for Trey Burke & Josh Green
DET: Trey Lyles for Josh Green
BOS: Double Treys! Burke & Lyles for Shroder and Juancho.

DAL gets an upgrade for the playoff push. They just signed IT, so chucking PGs are in their wheelhouse.
DET just there to take a flier on Green and reduce our salary. Ironically we could have just taken Moses back from DAL and not needed them, but it's not allowed.

BOS: Ducks that tax. No point in paying tax for a .500ish team. We play PP more and get a 3rd PG for when it's needed. Also get a different tall guy that in theory is supposed to space the floor but won't play if we're anywhere near healthy.


This basically acknowledges that any real move isn't happening to the summer anyways. So, create future salary flexibility and PT for a young player. Maybe there is a 2nd in there from DAL, but I think taking on Juancho's money makes it unnecessary.

[Half-Full]

Starting and playing PP 36 mpg would get us closer to Chet Holmgren.

Firstly, no one said play him 36 mpg. Secondly, I'm sorry but you've got some of the worst takes out here:

Dump Schroder for an expiring and a 2nd or a project. Dump Juancho by attaching 2 seconds. Dump Horford by attaching one first. Lotto protect it for this season. Trade Jaylen for upside prospects. Would GSW take him for Kuminga and Wiseman? Trade Smart and Rob Williams III for Top 29 protected firsts and expirings. Get under the tax and clear the cap for Beal.

Didn't want to give it air in the T&T thread, but this is ugly.

So UGLY.

[GoGreen]

The Kings need to get rid of their guards, and I wish they'd part with Haliburton.

[Parliament10]

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