Trade Thread, 2023-24 – (Offseason)

[pac213up]

No player with leverage wants to go to Toronto. It would need to be a 3 way where he ends up somewhere else. There are likely less than a handful of teams he would even consider.

[BK_2020]

Westbrook is a great passer. He just really sucks at shooting.
Trae, however, is on a whole other level as passer. He's probably 2nd in the league after Jokic as passer, or maybe tied for 2nd with Doncic.
Also the reason he sucks on defense is because he's 6'0 and 160 lbs. It's not for lack of trying.

[ddb]

Brad won't trade Jaylen Brown just yet. He'll pay him, tweak the roster a bit around the edges, bring in an experienced assistant to help Joe Mazz, and compete for a title again. Next summer is the "trade Jaylen" time if they fall short of a title. No need to rush into trading 1 of the 2 guys that make up arguably the best duo in the league.

[pac213up]

Brad won't trade Jaylen Brown just yet. He'll pay him, tweak the roster a bit around the edges, bring in an experienced assistant to help Joe Mazz, and compete for a title again. Next summer is the "trade Jaylen" time if they fall short of a title. No need to rush into trading 1 of the 2 guys that make up arguably the best duo in the league.

This is where my head is unless JB asks out or has made it clear he does not want to be here long term, which I do not believe has or will happen.

[Curmudgeon]

Brad won't trade Jaylen Brown just yet. He'll pay him, tweak the roster a bit around the edges, bring in an experienced assistant to help Joe Mazz, and compete for a title again. Next summer is the "trade Jaylen" time if they fall short of a title. No need to rush into trading 1 of the 2 guys that make up arguably the best duo in the league.

No, because trading Jaylen for equal value will be difficult if not impossible if the Celtics go over the new second apron. Their roster will be effectively frozen.

As for Trae Young, if Stevens brings in the little foul-hunting flopper who can't defend a chair I'm rooting for another team.

[Hal14]

Brad won't trade Jaylen Brown just yet. He'll pay him, tweak the roster a bit around the edges, bring in an experienced assistant to help Joe Mazz, and compete for a title again. Next summer is the "trade Jaylen" time if they fall short of a title. No need to rush into trading 1 of the 2 guys that make up arguably the best duo in the league.

Why wait till next year? Out of the last 17 teams to win a title, 0 of them have been led by 2 high usage (30% or higher usage) guys who both had an assist rate of less than 25%.

Also, next year during the playoffs, Tatum will be 26 and Brown will be 27 for a combined age of 53. Here's the combined age of the 2 best players for the last 7 teams to win the title: 61, 55, 62, 60, 59, 57, 55.

If you can't get a deal done this summer, ok, whatever. Keep the Jays together for another year, run it back, try to just improve around the edges.

But if I'm Brad, I don't wait till next year. I proactively look for a deal now. I want a title now. And history tells us it's very unlikely to happen if you're led by stars who are only 26 and 27..and who are high usage, low assist guys.

The Tatum/Brown pairing is not a recipe for a championship. Sure, it might happen. But history tells us it's unlikely to happen. So why wait another year to make a move?

I'd find a way to move Brown for either Trae, Siakam or perhaps someone else like Embiid, Giannis or Doncic.

[MSTRJMES]

If Jaylen doesn’t want to be here, and I have a hard time believing that Stevens doesn’t wouldn’t know one way or the other, you trade him. If u sign him to the Super Max, you have to wait a year.

If Harden goes to Houston, it’s not inconceivable that Embid wants out.

Jaylen Brown
Rob Williams
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Embid
works in the Trade Machine

[dakomish23]

NYK fan here. Came across this on YouTube and thought I’d share the idea with your board. If it’s insanity apologies in advance

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[bucknersrevenge]

Please stop with the Trae Young trades. He would be terrible in Boston. He would take shots from Tatum, can't or won't play defense, and by mid-season people on here would be crying because Trae crosses the half court line and throws up a missed 3-pointer. No passing, or ball movement. Just a really bad idea.

Celts should absolutely sign Brown to the super max, and then same with Tatum as soon as possible. Keep White and Rob Williams in the starting lineup and look for a Horford replacement so you can allow Horford to come off the bench. White should be the starting point guard.

I would move Smart for another starter even if it required adding a protected first round pick. I have mentioned Collins, and he may or not be a good fit, but I think Smarts time in Boston has run its course as a starter, and we all know, as much as I would love it, he won't come off the bench again.

I really want Kabengele running next to Rob in a starting unit. Kabengele working with big Al and Rob on a daily basis would bring great improvements to his game. He's been on 3 teams in 3 years, but this year has arguably been his best yet. I know there are some that same he couldn't even beat out Kornet, but Brad knew he still had a year left of 2-way he could use on him and still have him under team control. Kornet was either sign or lose. The rebounding and defense with Rob and Kabengele on the floor together would be out of this world. He's even shot 34% from three in the G-League over the last three seasons. This would also make White at 28 our oldest starter with Brown, Tatum, Kabengele and Rob all 26 or under.

Horford and Brogdon running the 2nd team gives the much-needed vet presence to keep it a positive moving forward. We just need to get more athletic. Kabengele, as mentioned above would be a good start. However, we must upgrade Griffin, Gallo and Kornet. Muscala is fine as the 4th or 5th big, but we need to do something about the rest of our big men.

I would love to see Rob Williams and Kabengele starting and have Horford, Grant Williams, Muscala and another young athletic big as our big man rotation. Unless we trade him, Gallo will still be here because he will pick up his option.

Our guard rotation of White, Brogdon, Davision and a young guy works well to me. Pritchard will probably be moved, whether Smart is here or not, so we will need help here.

Our wings of Tatum, Brown and Hauser need a lot of help. We may be able to get help here with a "Smart" trade.

Agree 100% with the bold. Thought everything there was so obvious.. Yet people are not seeing it.

FWIW, we have plenty of guys on the team already taking shots away from Tatum. We have plenty of guys right now absolutely KILLING ball movement with tunnel vision or wild forays to the hoop or jacking shots with no passes. Not sure if I'm for this idea but swapping in Trae doesn't make things worse in this regard.

[Hal14]

NYK fan here. Came across this on YouTube and thought I’d share the idea with your board. If it’s insanity apologies in advance

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Eh, IDK. Mitchell has only been in cleveland for 1 year. I don't see them moving him.

Brown being moved for someone like Trae or Siakam is much more realistic IMO. Since Trae and Siakam have both been with their current teams for 5+ years, both probably aren't gonna go very far if they stay with their current team.

Mitchell on the other hand, they have that young core of him, allen, mobley and Garland - you keep those 4 guys together, put the right pieces around them, they could be in the NBA finals in the next 2 or 3 years.

[Larry_Russell]

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Backup PF this upcomng year?

PF: Grant W/Kabengele/Gallo
C: Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Good mix of inside and outside from the bigs, all switchable in their roles...3 deep on it too.

[chrisab123]

You have a better chance of seeing Tatum and Brown getting traded in the offseason than Marcus Smart. I'm honestly not sure what he has on Brad but yeah...

[bucknersrevenge]

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[bucknersrevenge]

I also failed to mention that the one poster who proclaimed Trae's high ast total as "ball movement" is failing to recognize that a "ball dominant PG" can get his stats up, But that is Not ball movement. I mean Westbrick did that to the tune of multiple triple doubles for a season. That would force Tatum out so fast..

Trae is nothing like Westbrook.

Trae has averaged roughly the same usage rate as Curry over the past few seasons. Yet curry is typically right around a 30% assist rate, whereas Trae has been roughly around a 43% assist rate.

Trae has also averaged roughly the same usage rate as JB. Yet Trae has been averaging just about a 3x higher assist rate. Which guy do you think Tatum would rather play with - the guy with a 31% usage and only 16% assist rate, or guy with a 32% usage and a 43% assist rate?

Which guy would make Tatum's life easier, the guy who has proven time and time again that he can take over a game in crunch time (to take the pressure off Tatum), who's proven he can lead an offense (THE guy running the show for the 3rd ranked offense in the league this year, with no other all-stars on his team), the guy who has more scoring gravity, demands more defensive attention (which means less defensive attention on Tatum, which means higher scoring efficiency and easier shots for Tatum)? It's Trae, all day.

I also failed to mention that the one poster who proclaimed Trae's high ast total as "ball movement" is failing to recognize that a "ball dominant PG" can get his stats up, But that is Not ball movement. I mean Westbrick did that to the tune of multiple triple doubles for a season. That would force Tatum out so fast..

And that is all on top of having possibly the "worst defender" in the League on our team..

His defense got better once the Hawks hired Snyder. A lot of defense is effort, and clearly he got more motivated once they replaced McMillan (who Hawks fans universally hated) with Snyder.

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He was on a team with Bogdanovic, Collins, Gallinari, Huerter. A bunch of guys who couldn't defend. I bet if you put him on a team with Rob, Al, d-white and Tatum, he will pick it up on that end of the floor. Plus, having a bunch of stud defenders on the floor with him, makes it easier to hide a weaker defender - those stud defenders can clean up his mistakes.

He's still just 24, still getting better. Curry wasn't a good defender earlier in his career either, but as he got older he got much better on that end.

Both defense and offense are factored into a player's BPM. Over the past few years, Trae has had a much higher BPM than JB...higher than Siakam too.

Hal, you should be a litigator. You make an interesting case. Any poster who at any point considered the Lillard idea a good one can't just toss this one aside I don't think. A Trae-Tatum PnR has the potential to be just as deadly in the high screen/roll game as a Tatum-Lillard one would. And before anyone says anything, Lillard's size difference over Trae has not made him any better a defender than Trae. I'd argue his injury history has even the odds.

But this team never had a consistent defensive identity all year and we knew that. And somehow they finished 2nd in defensive efficiency. A Trae/Hunter for Jaylen/Brogdon swap works. Ownership could be persuaded because it lengthens our window. Trae is 24 and signed for WAY less than what JB is about to make. Hunter is 25 and signed for another 4 year at a reasonable salary. Offensively we lose no firepower in that deal. Joe would probably love it (let's face it, no way Brad is firing him after one season) because it adds even more 3-point shooting and a coach actually encouraging him to take more 3's would probably be music to Trae's ears. Hunter too. Rob would be happy with a guard that actually remembers that he exists when rolling to the hoop again since it seems lately only Tatum looks for him.

If you keep White, another high-IQ guy to play alongside him, you have him, Hunter, Tatum, and Rob watching his back. It could work. Where I begin to struggle with this is what do you do with Smart? No way he accepts demotion. Just personally I'd have a tough time moving Smart for a lot of reasons. I suppose you could send White back to the bench, maybe and he's the 6th man again? But the idea of seeing a playmaker like Young play on the same team with a player that is significantly better than him like Tatum (rather than him being the best player on the team) is.......intriguing.

[Larry_Russell]

This is the deal I want to make

Cleveland gets:
Brown, Pritchard and Gallo

Why?
Cleveland can pair 2 good budies with a complimentary skill set together and form a new duo. Brown propells them forward and a trip of Mitchell, Brown and Mobley is pretty dangerous
PG: Mitchell
SG: Brown
SF: Okorro
PF: Wade
C: Mobley

Houston gets:
Robert Williams

Why?
Someone familiar with Ime who can help anchor Ime's defenses. Sengun and Timelord should be able to play together like Al and timelord do at times if they dont move him. But regardless, and especially if they get Harden, Timelord provides a great screen setter and roll man that James loves.

PG: Harden
SG: Porter Jr
SF: Green
PF: Smith Jr
C: Timelord

Boston gets:
Garland, Allen, Eason, Kenyon Martin Jr.

Boston gets healthier, gets a true point guard who can distribute better than smart, gets a young skilled PF and depth behind tatum.

PG: Garland/Brogdon
SG: Smart/White
SF: tatum/Martin
PF: Eason/Grant
C: Allen/Horford

The 2 man game of Garland and Allen with Tatum will be deadly.

[Higgs Boston]

Fire mazzulla and hire nurse or vogel

pritchard, muscala, kornet and a second for bates diop, divincenzo, seth curry or cory joseph in a S&T, or a trade for monte morris.

Smart, gallinari, 2 firsts for OG, young

Sign Plumlee or Powell with the MLE.

Resign Grant

white, brogdon, jd
brown, diop, vet pg
tatum, grant, hauser
og, horford, young
williams, plumlee, griffin or vet C

[Hal14]

rob would LOVE playing with this guy. He'd average 14-15 PPG if he can stay healthy. Capela averaged 15 PPG the year ATL went to the conference finals.

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Surround Trae with a lob threat (Rob) and a bunch of shooters (including Tatum) and our offense would be unstoppable.

A lot of the stuff Collins does in this video, would be Tatum doing it.

[lon3lytoaster]

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Backup PF this upcomng year?

PF: Grant W/Kabengele/Gallo
C: Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Good mix of inside and outside from the bigs, all switchable in their roles...3 deep on it too.

Gele is honestly a space cadet, and a bit of a spaz. Lots of energy from him but he is so, so lost so, so much of the time.

[bucknersrevenge]

rob would LOVE playing with this guy. He'd average 14-15 PPG if he can stay healthy. Capela averaged 15 PPG the year ATL went to the conference finals.

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Surround Trae with a lob threat (Rob) and a bunch of shooters (including Tatum) and our offense would be unstoppable.

A lot of the stuff Collins does in this video, would be Tatum doing it.

FWIW, I still think Trae has another level to unlock if someone can get him to play a bit more off the ball. Not all the time because he's good with it too but it might make him a more efficient player overall. Perhaps him fitting into a more clear hierarchy with him as the definitive #2 and guys around him that are capable of making a play would do the trick? Who knows? Speculation at best. But Young is a smart player and our team operates at its BEST when high IQ, quick decision-makers are on the floor.

[snowman]

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Backup PF this upcomng year?

PF: Grant W/Kabengele/Gallo
C: Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Good mix of inside and outside from the bigs, all switchable in their roles...3 deep on it too.

Gele is honestly a space cadet, and a bit of a spaz. Lots of energy from him but he is so, so lost so, so much of the time.

He didn't look lost in this video, but it's a highlight reel, I get it. I think being in three different systems, under three different coaches in three years has a lot to do with that. I mean, Rob didn't get the name Timelord by time shifting. He was a bit of a space cadet at first to. Then he got some serious Celtic coaching, had a great mentor in Big Al, and now is one of the five most important players on the team. I can see a 3rd year Rob all over Kabengele's game, and he has healthy knees and a three-point shot.