Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 11th Heaven

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I think I'd move him into Banton's spot if possible. We could use one more 3-D guy.

The mavericks were a bad defensive team last season and Bullock was 21st on their team in defensive rating.

Calling him 3&D seems to be a stretch..

[tfribs45]

losing Rob stings a bit , unfortunately Timelord couldn't stay on the court...Obviously this team need another 5/rim protector. What are the C's options? D Howard could help if he played his role.

We just signed Wenyen Gabriel yesterday.

I figure him and Kornet will compete for that 3rd big spot, with Queta as the darkhorse. That's 5 bigs, which is plenty.

Why do people keep bringing about Dwight howard? The guy hasn't been an NBA caliber player in 3 years. ONly team that would sign him last season was in China, no one wants him again this season, he's like 50 years old..

Kornet has cement in his shoes man, I'd take Howard any day of the week over him lol. Maybe Gabriel will surprise us, and take that third spot. Time will tell, still think were a little thin now at the 5, unless Zinger and Horfy can last a full season.

[steefP2]

can't package anything with a TPE under old rules is my understanding, and for second apron teams going forward I don't believe you can aggregate ANY salaries at all (I believe that new restriction kicks in next season, not this season though)

You misunderstand; I mean use grant tpe now. Get a guy. Package that guy + Pritchard at the deadline. Aggregation rules only in effect next season so this is last opportunity

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you are a scholar and a gentleman -- my bad.
Does seem like a lot of work to add more salary, though?

Ofc but all in is all in, just go all inner. Im just saying, with the new cba going into full effect soon ish, dumping salary to dump salary doesnt make a lot of sense since itll be harder to replace. Either you package while you still can or you extend imo.

[Dogen]

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I think I'd move him into Banton's spot if possible. We could use one more 3-D guy.

Honestly I'd rather keep Banton as a young project. We're thinner on draft picks than we were a day ago, and his size is intriguing. He likely won't develop (more don't than do), but I don't see Bullock getting meaningful minutes anyways.

I'm happy that Brad brought in young players, and it also looks like Pritchard may have that 3rd PG spot for the taking this year. Yet, for a team that is being touted as championship or bust this year, it seems that this is the part of the process when the GM evaluates the roster to see how many guys can be relied on once the bright lights are on.

In other words, I'm not really that high on Bullock, but he's 32, got good size and strength, can hit the 3, has some playoff experience, etc. One more grizzled vet to come in when needed and hopefully a good locker room presence too for the younger guys.

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I think I'd move him into Banton's spot if possible. We could use one more 3-D guy.

The mavericks were a bad defensive team last season and Bullock was 21st on their team in defensive rating.

Calling him 3&D seems to be a stretch..

He was also a key cog in the mavs the year before when they were 8th in drtg. He works great in a defensive ensemble as they had with dfs and kleber. Ofc he cant float a team that got rid of all it's defensive talent around him. He's a + on ball defender. Not amazing but above average for sure.

[Dogen]

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I think I'd move him into Banton's spot if possible. We could use one more 3-D guy.

The mavericks were a bad defensive team last season and Bullock was 21st on their team in defensive rating.

Calling him 3&D seems to be a stretch..

21st? Yikes. No wonder he is available. But I thought he had a decent reputation on D before. I'll take Dallas' season last year with a grain of salt. They were basically trying to avoid the playoffs by the end of the year, right? It shouldn't surprise if Bullock checked out.

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You misunderstand; I mean use grant tpe now. Get a guy. Package that guy + Pritchard at the deadline. Aggregation rules only in effect next season so this is last opportunity

YOU MEAN I HAVE TO READ ALLL OF THE WORDS????
you are a scholar and a gentleman -- my bad.
Does seem like a lot of work to add more salary, though?

Ofc but all in is all in, just go all inner. Im just saying, with the new cba going into full effect soon ish, dumping salary to dump salary doesnt make a lot of sense since itll be harder to replace. Either you package while you still can or you extend imo.

You're making plenty of sense -- it may just be that after years of thinking DUCK THE TAX DUCK THE TAX with every move for this team, I may have to update my way of thinking about things. I hope Wyc is at media day wearing a suit made out of $100 bills today.

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I'd replace Banton and Svi with Austin Rivers and Reggie Bullock if I could.

Rivers has been a FA all offseason. Don't you think that if there was enough mutual interest between him and the Celtics, we would've signed him by now? We could've signed him instead of Svi, Stevens, Brissett and Banton..

That's true. My thinking though is that before, when we had Porzingis/Al/Rob all on the team, 1 guard/2 wing/2 big lineups figured to be the core of our team. Now, after this deal, it looks to me like we'll be back to 2 guard/2 wing/1 big lineups.

Before, when I figured we'd only play 1 guard most of the time, we had White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Banton all for that one spot. So Banton was really more "break glass in case of emergency" role where you could take a flier on development. Now, we have those Holiday/White/Pritchard/Banton which is still 4 guys, but it's going to make up most of the PG and SG minutes vs. just 2. So a more proven guy like Austin Rivers who doesn't need to develop to play might be a bigger need than someone like Banton. That's where I'm coming from with that.

Idk man, I'm still not seeing how there is more of a need for us to get an upgrade at the backup guard position since we now have Jrue/White/Pritchard/Banton instead of White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Banton.

It's the same group, except with Jrue instead of Brogdon. And Jrue is a better player than Brogdon. Jrue is probably gonna play 67 games and 32 MPG, as opposed to Brogdon who would have played 57 games and 26 MPG. So less pressure on the backup guards in this scenario..

[ajones9219]

Rivers has been a FA all offseason. Don't you think that if there was enough mutual interest between him and the Celtics, we would've signed him by now? We could've signed him instead of Svi, Stevens, Brissett and Banton..

That's true. My thinking though is that before, when we had Porzingis/Al/Rob all on the team, 1 guard/2 wing/2 big lineups figured to be the core of our team. Now, after this deal, it looks to me like we'll be back to 2 guard/2 wing/1 big lineups.

Before, when I figured we'd only play 1 guard most of the time, we had White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Banton all for that one spot. So Banton was really more "break glass in case of emergency" role where you could take a flier on development. Now, we have those Holiday/White/Pritchard/Banton which is still 4 guys, but it's going to make up most of the PG and SG minutes vs. just 2. So a more proven guy like Austin Rivers who doesn't need to develop to play might be a bigger need than someone like Banton. That's where I'm coming from with that.

Idk man, I'm still not seeing how there is more of a need for us to get an upgrade at the backup guard position since we now have Jrue/White/Pritchard/Banton instead of White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Banton.

It's the same group, except with Jrue instead of Brogdon. And Jrue is a better player than Brogdon. Jrue is probably gonna play 67 games and 32 MPG, as opposed to Brogdon who would have played 57 games and 26 MPG. So less pressure on the backup guards in this scenario..

Bullock is a legit 6'6. I am not completely sold on Hauser being your primary backup wing so I am good with him soaking up some SG/SF bench minutes or at least force Hauser to earn them.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

Hopefully this puts an end to people thinking that Al will start over White.

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[hugepatsfan]

I'd replace Banton and Svi with Austin Rivers and Reggie Bullock if I could.

Rivers has been a FA all offseason. Don't you think that if there was enough mutual interest between him and the Celtics, we would've signed him by now? We could've signed him instead of Svi, Stevens, Brissett and Banton..

As for Bullock, I suppose we could sign him. But what does he offer that is unique, that we don't already have covered with the other players on the roster? He's a 6'6", maybe 6'7" wing who can shoot but doesn't really do anything else. Journeyman who has bounced around the league, doesn't seem to stick anywhere.

What does he offer that Hauser or Svi doesn't offer? At least Hauser has 2 years under his belt with the celtics, building chemistry with our guys, learning our systems and schemes, he's a good cutter, doesn't let the ball stick to him. Is rapidly improving as a defender. 5th on the team last season in net rating, we were 22-3 in games where he played 20+ MPG.

Svi offers something unique as he's not just a wing shooter but also a really solid, underrated passer/playmaker.

And as for Banton, he might not be a proven shooter, but we have plenty of shooting on this team. Banton offers something unique as a 6'9" PG who can legit run an offense, bring the ball up the floor and initiate the offense - even against tough defensive pressure, can easily create separation off the dribble and get by his man, pressure the rim, throw lobs, sees the floor well, make cross court skip passes off a live dribble, etc. That's a unique skill set at 6'9", and only 23 yrs old - combined with intriguing defensive potential - nice combination defensively of shot blocking and creating turnovers out on the perimeter. He's a nice upside developmental piece for the end of the roster.

For the Bullock piece (added after I started my last reply).

I did the math in another post, but I suspect we still need 27-42 minutes for the playoff rotation even if the top 6 are all healthy. And for most games, you're probably going to want 42 and only push them to the max where you need just 27. So I'm looking at it as we need 2 more guys to emerge for the playoff rotation to bring us up to 8 players, and maybe in must win games (elimination games) we can cut to 7 if we need to.

I don't disagree with you on Hauser at all. I have him marked as someone who will develop into one of those two open playoff rotation rolls.

On Svi, my concern is if he has the foot speed to stick defensively. It's nice what he can do offensively, but if he is a weakness defensively he'll get played off the court. Similarly, I like Banton as a developmental guy as well. But again, we've seen guys who can't shoot be rendered useless in the playoffs unless the rest of their game is SO GREAT to justify it. That's a lot of development for Banton to do.

The main draw of Bullock for me is that he's just got a body of work of being solid enough on both ends to log playoff minutes. Nothing spectacular. Nothing special. But just a floor that's good enough - on both ends - to stick in the rotation. We only have 6 guys I can say that for, so there's a shortage. It'd be nice to have one guy with that type of floor. If someone develops further and boxes him out of a job then all the better. But nice to have a floor of someone who's moderately dependable based on track record.

Unfortunately, have to cut the team down to 15 so there would have to be a tough decision. But I think another like Bullock to just pencil in and feel ok about would help a lot.

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Who do we think is getting cut?

-This is 21 guys
-Johnson, Sarr and Waters are on 2-way so that leaves 18 guys
-They need to trim down to 15
-Rumor has it, Dipo us gone..either gonna get traded, bought out or waived
-I figure jack white and JRE are competing for 1 spot..hell, I suppose you could include Poku in that too, especially with his injury. I figure 1 of those 3 gets waived which gets them down to 16 guys...

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also: no Bullock; that hair is disqualifying and we're good at backup 3/4 with Brisset, Stevens, and Hauser

[chrisab123]

Who do we think is getting cut?

-This is 21 guys
-Johnson, Sarr and Waters are on 2-way so that leaves 18 guys
-They need to trim down to 15
-Rumor has it, Dipo us gone..either gonna get traded, bought out or waived
-I figure jack white and JRE are competing for 1 spot..hell, I suppose you could include Poku in that too, especially with his injury. I figure 1 of those 3 gets waived which gets them down to 16 guys...

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I think Dipo is cooked.

[Slax]

I've been gone from this board for a bit. Can't believe we signed Wenyen Gabriel while I was gone! Really excited to see how he does this season.

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Rivers has been a FA all offseason. Don't you think that if there was enough mutual interest between him and the Celtics, we would've signed him by now? We could've signed him instead of Svi, Stevens, Brissett and Banton..

That's true. My thinking though is that before, when we had Porzingis/Al/Rob all on the team, 1 guard/2 wing/2 big lineups figured to be the core of our team. Now, after this deal, it looks to me like we'll be back to 2 guard/2 wing/1 big lineups.

Before, when I figured we'd only play 1 guard most of the time, we had White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Banton all for that one spot. So Banton was really more "break glass in case of emergency" role where you could take a flier on development. Now, we have those Holiday/White/Pritchard/Banton which is still 4 guys, but it's going to make up most of the PG and SG minutes vs. just 2. So a more proven guy like Austin Rivers who doesn't need to develop to play might be a bigger need than someone like Banton. That's where I'm coming from with that.

Idk man, I'm still not seeing how there is more of a need for us to get an upgrade at the backup guard position since we now have Jrue/White/Pritchard/Banton instead of White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Banton.

It's the same group, except with Jrue instead of Brogdon. And Jrue is a better player than Brogdon. Jrue is probably gonna play 67 games and 32 MPG, as opposed to Brogdon who would have played 57 games and 26 MPG. So less pressure on the backup guards in this scenario..

Right but read my point about playing 2 guards vs. one. In the group with Brogdon before, we figured to play way more double bigs. Most of us were expecting White/Brown/Tatum/KP and one of Horford/Rob to start. It was going to be way more single guard lineups. Yes, right now it's the same group with Holiday over Brogdon, but you also lack the same 2-big lineup flexibility. Unless we want guys like Kornet or Gabriel to play real roles for us, it's way less of an option now. That means whatever extra minutes Holiday plays over Brogdon figures to be more than eclipsed by that group now needing to play all of the PG minutes and most of the SG minutes vs. before wher eit was all of the PG minutes and just spot SG minutes.

Our team has totally flipped with this trade where before we figured to be mostly playin with 2 bigs and 2 wings and 1 guard, to now mostly playing with 1 big, 2 wings and 2 guards. So guard depth now is more important to me.

[shackles10]

Hopefully this puts an end to people thinking that Al will start over White.

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"Some" being the key word here. It's not surprising, but I can't believe the amount of "experts" who pay their Twitter dues for blue check marks who seem hellbent on thinking Al will start and White will go to the bench again. White is a phenomenal player who is very versatile and looking to get a sizable extension. You don't send that kind of player to the bench when he's shown he can be successful on and off ball so the addition of Jrue to the starting lineup doesn't diminish returns.

[sam_I_am]

Rivers has been a FA all offseason. Don't you think that if there was enough mutual interest between him and the Celtics, we would've signed him by now? We could've signed him instead of Svi, Stevens, Brissett and Banton..

That's true. My thinking though is that before, when we had Porzingis/Al/Rob all on the team, 1 guard/2 wing/2 big lineups figured to be the core of our team. Now, after this deal, it looks to me like we'll be back to 2 guard/2 wing/1 big lineups.

Before, when I figured we'd only play 1 guard most of the time, we had White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Banton all for that one spot. So Banton was really more "break glass in case of emergency" role where you could take a flier on development. Now, we have those Holiday/White/Pritchard/Banton which is still 4 guys, but it's going to make up most of the PG and SG minutes vs. just 2. So a more proven guy like Austin Rivers who doesn't need to develop to play might be a bigger need than someone like Banton. That's where I'm coming from with that.

Idk man, I'm still not seeing how there is more of a need for us to get an upgrade at the backup guard position since we now have Jrue/White/Pritchard/Banton instead of White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Banton.

It's the same group, except with Jrue instead of Brogdon. And Jrue is a better player than Brogdon. Jrue is probably gonna play 67 games and 32 MPG, as opposed to Brogdon who would have played 57 games and 26 MPG. So less pressure on the backup guards in this scenario..

I agree Hal. When you have elite SG and SF like Brown and Tatum, the back up position has been a JAG except when White or Smart slid over there. Now with Holiday, we have 3 all star/all NBA caliber players starting at PG, SG and SF with White backing up both guard spots. All 4 of those guys have a track record of being available. Pritchard, Hauser, Walsh, Stevens, Svi and Banton is more than enough depth there. If Brad can make it better I’m all for it but it is hardly a need at this point.

Where the needs are is in the front court. Horford/Porzingas is an elite tandem relative to league but availability is an issue. Kornet is a fine regular season guy and Tatum is most likely going to close at PF. Can Brissett or Gabriel cut it in the backup big roles? What if KP gets hurt or Horford declines due to age? Ideally we should have a Theis like guy on the bench.

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also: no Bullock; that hair is disqualifying and we're good at backup 3/4 with Brisset, Stevens, and Hauser

If his hair isn't green I send it back.

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Hopefully this puts an end to people thinking that Al will start over White.

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"Some" being the key word here. It's not surprising, but I can't believe the amount of "experts" who pay their Twitter dues for blue check marks who seem hellbent on thinking Al will start and White will go to the bench again. White is a phenomenal player who is very versatile and looking to get a sizable extension. You don't send that kind of player to the bench when he's shown he can be successful on and off ball so the addition of Jrue to the starting lineup doesn't diminish returns.

only way I start Al this season is if he specifically tells the coaching staff and management it's important to him to start.

OR they're playing MIL.