The Pursuit of Paul George

[Froob]

I've been saying this all along

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[Green_teamer]

The max deal I'd offer for George is
Bradley
Crowder
Smart
Laker pick/sac 18
Bos 18
Memphis 19
Clipper pick 19

That is alot of assets while still keeping our big 4 and young guys and Brooklyn 18. As long as we keep that I'm happy

[jirrit]

If Jaylen or Tatum or the BKN 18 is included, I am fully on the fire Ainge wagon again. It wouldn't be wholly irresponsible and delusional.

In no f-ing world is Paul George worth 2 BKN picks. That what it would be. Jaylen or Tatum plus BKN 18 is an incredibly stupid move and would ensure the Cs have no future past the next 3ish years.

Again, if any of the BKN players/pick are included..fire Ainge.

Fire Ainge. Overreact much? You can't get everything on a freaking discount. Not saying I'd like it but there comes a time you gotta pay your assets. PG the only one who could keep close with LBJ in the East and Ainge gotta get fired because he's trying to get him.

When he sits tight he should get fired also I guess.

[ViperGTS]

If Jaylen or Tatum or the BKN 18 is included, I am fully on the fire Ainge wagon again. It wouldn't be wholly irresponsible and delusional.

In no f-ing world is Paul George worth 2 BKN picks. That what it would be. Jaylen or Tatum plus BKN 18 is an incredibly stupid move and would ensure the Cs have no future past the next 3ish years.

Again, if any of the BKN players/pick are included..fire Ainge.

Fire Ainge. Overreact much? You can't get everything on a freaking discount. Not saying I'd like it but there comes a time you gotta pay your assets. PG the only one who could keep close with LBJ in the East and Ainge gotta get fired because he's trying to get him.

When he sits tight he should get fired also I guess.

No but you re saying you are okay with trading 2 BKN picks for PG? Correct?

[Crossy2008]

I have told myself several times that sign and trades are dead. But, it might be possible to sign and trade Hayward while keeping Avery.

I would need some cap experts to weigh in here to be sure.

Hayward is set to make $29,700,000 if he signs with any team but the the Jazz.

If the Celtics keep Horford/Bradley/Zeller/Thomas/Crowder/Brown/Smart/Rozier/Tatum they would have $74,729,324 on the books.

That leaves $24,270,626 in cap space, if the cap is exactly $99 mil.

Can't the Celtics cover the 75% of the Hayward's contract with their cap space, which would be $22,750,000? They could trade Rozier and the LAC pick, plus the trade exception.

That would leave both Zeller and Crowder available to trade for George for salary purposes.

Someone please tell me why this is not possible.

[ViperGTS]

The max deal I'd offer for George is
Bradley
Crowder
Smart
Laker pick/sac 18
Bos 18
Memphis 19
Clipper pick 19

That is alot of assets while still keeping our big 4 and young guys and Brooklyn 18. As long as we keep that I'm happy

And that's a massive overpay. F*ck it. Let
LA over pay and cough up Ingram. Then an old Lebron can team up with PG and the Cs haven't been bent over the wheelbarrow.

[DavorFanCroatia]

I've been saying this all along

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Hope that the same goes to Tatum too... 7/11 untouchables

[jirrit]

If Jaylen or Tatum or the BKN 18 is included, I am fully on the fire Ainge wagon again. It wouldn't be wholly irresponsible and delusional.

In no f-ing world is Paul George worth 2 BKN picks. That what it would be. Jaylen or Tatum plus BKN 18 is an incredibly stupid move and would ensure the Cs have no future past the next 3ish years.

Again, if any of the BKN players/pick are included..fire Ainge.

Fire Ainge. Overreact much? You can't get everything on a freaking discount. Not saying I'd like it but there comes a time you gotta pay your assets. PG the only one who could keep close with LBJ in the East and Ainge gotta get fired because he's trying to get him.

When he sits tight he should get fired also I guess.

No but you re saying you are okay with trading 2 BKN picks for PG? Correct?

No but where are we doing that? If George resigns it's worth something at least, no? What do you wanna give up max? I'm around the general concensus, LAL/SAC pick + necesarry salary fillers but I would'nt fire Ainge if he puts a protected BRK-pick in the deal and no LAL/SAC pick.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

So I'm gonna theorize how Kaufman is getting his info a little bit. I can't see it happening from within the Celtics organization which was my first guess. Now, I'm guessing that he's getting the his info from Indiana's FO, which could very well be the correct deal in place mind you, in order to trigger other competitive offers around the league. They want someone else to step up and make a stronger offer which would cause the counterintuitive report that they dont want to wait for free Agency. That doesn't make sense on either side to me.

[Slartibartfast]

I've been saying this all along

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TBF, Danny has said this about just about every major Celtic asset at one point or another.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

I've been saying this all along

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It's very rare to here DA refer to a player as next to untouchable. He must be really high on this kid.

[Froob]

Part II

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[Green_teamer]

The max deal I'd offer for George is
Bradley
Crowder
Smart
Laker pick/sac 18
Bos 18
Memphis 19
Clipper pick 19

That is alot of assets while still keeping our big 4 and young guys and Brooklyn 18. As long as we keep that I'm happy

And that's a massive overpay. F*ck it. Let
LA over pay and cough up Ingram. Then an old Lebron can team up with PG and the Cs haven't been bent over the wheelbarrow.

If he extends it isn't an overpay. All Im saying Is as long as it's that or less I'm not going to be mad. Assuming we get Hayward too

[ViperGTS]

Fire Ainge. Overreact much? You can't get everything on a freaking discount. Not saying I'd like it but there comes a time you gotta pay your assets. PG the only one who could keep close with LBJ in the East and Ainge gotta get fired because he's trying to get him.

When he sits tight he should get fired also I guess.

No but you re saying you are okay with trading 2 BKN picks for PG? Correct?

No but where are we doing that? If George resigns it's worth something at least, no? What do you wanna give up max? I'm around the general concensus, LAL/SAC pick + necesarry salary fillers but I would'nt fire Ainge if he puts a protected BRK-pick in the deal and no LAL/SAC pick.

There is no guarantee he re-signs. Wink winks are fine but no the end all be all. My max? Since there is no legit way to know if he re-sign or not then I can't offer too much. I saw earlier someone with "inside info" intimate BKN 18 and either Jaylen or Tatum are involved.

Memphis/Clips picks, plus Bradley, Rozier plus Cs own pick next year.

[SmartWentCrazy]

So I'm gonna theorize how Kaufman is getting his info a little bit. I can't see it happening from within the Celtics organization which was my first guess. Now, I'm guessing that he's getting the his info from Indiana's FO, which could very well be the correct deal in place mind you, in order to trigger other competitive offers around the league. They want someone else to step up and make a stronger offer which would cause the counterintuitive report that they dont want to wait for free Agency. That doesn't make sense on either side to me.

Kaufman is full of crap and just spewing. Woj's report definitely came from Indy, for the reasons you've stated

[j_dlt]

So was thinking of ways to renegotiate George to a max (or close to it), and also getting Hayward. Since we wouldn't have any cap room after signing Hayward, the thought is we wouldn't be able to, or would have to give up a ton of players. I found another way where we can renegotiate George next year for $28,055,329 plus a 2 year extension. Not quite the max, but it would be a $8,546,371 dollar increase for next year and he would actually make him $7,921,862 more than if he waited to resign for a 2+1 max contract.

So going into FA our roster would be Horford, Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, Olynyk, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Zizic, Rozier, and Zeller (yes picking up his option).

Step 1: Hayward commitment to come to Boston

Step 2: Trade Crowder, Zeller, and picks for George.

This would bring our salary to $88,822,399. With two roster charges, our cap room is $8,546,371.

Step 3: Use remaining cap space to renegotiate George to $28,055,329 with a 2 year extension.

If George were to wait to resign to a 2+1 next year he would be getting $83,156,958 over the next 3 years, if he does this renegotiation and extension he would be getting $91,078,820 over 3 years.

Step 4: Sign and Trade Olynyk (15 million) plus Bradley to Utah for Hayward (29.7 million).

Step 5: Fill Out Roster with Vet Minimums

Final Roster: Thomas, Horford, Hayward, George, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Zizic, plus vet minimums.

There is a lot to this, so I feel like it is unlikely to happen, but there definitely is a way to land both Hayward and George, plus renegotiate George where he will actually make more money than resigning.

[stitches]

Just pray we get Hayward, then we'll get some fireworks. He's the key.

The fact that Hayward hasn't opted out of his deal so as not to allow Utah to talk to him is a positive sign I would think.

You have it completely wrong - him being under contract allows Hayward and Utah to talk. The Jazz can talk to Hayward about anything they want right now. Unlike any other team. Well... legally anyways.

If anything, him waiting to opt out means they are talking right now.

[stitches]

So was thinking of ways to renegotiate George to a max (or close to it), and also getting Hayward. Since we wouldn't have any cap room after signing Hayward, the thought is we wouldn't be able to, or would have to give up a ton of players. I found another way where we can renegotiate George next year for $28,055,329 plus a 2 year extension. Not quite the max, but it would be a $8,546,371 dollar increase for next year and he would actually make him $7,921,862 more than if he waited to resign for a 2+1 max contract.

So going into FA our roster would be Horford, Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, Olynyk, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Zizic, Rozier, and Zeller (yes picking up his option).

Step 1: Hayward commitment to come to Boston

Step 2: Trade Crowder, Zeller, and picks for George.

This would bring our salary to $88,822,399. With two roster charges, our cap room is $8,546,371.

Step 3: Use remaining cap space to renegotiate George to $28,055,329 with a 2 year extension.

If George were to wait to resign to a 2+1 next year he would be getting $83,156,958 over the next 3 years, if he does this renegotiation and extension he would be getting $91,078,820 over 3 years.

Step 4: Sign and Trade Olynyk (15 million) plus Bradley to Utah for Hayward (29.7 million).

Step 5: Fill Out Roster with Vet Minimums

Final Roster: Thomas, Horford, Hayward, George, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Zizic, plus vet minimums.

There is a lot to this, so I feel like it is unlikely to happen, but there definitely is a way to land both Hayward and George, plus renegotiate George where he will actually make more money than resigning.

The Jazz are not paying a backup center 15M.