Trade Thread, 2023-24 – (Offseason)

[Hal14]

rob would LOVE playing with this guy. He'd average 14-15 PPG if he can stay healthy. Capela averaged 15 PPG the year ATL went to the conference finals.

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Surround Trae with a lob threat (Rob) and a bunch of shooters (including Tatum) and our offense would be unstoppable.

A lot of the stuff Collins does in this video, would be Tatum doing it.

FWIW, I still think Trae has another level to unlock if someone can get him to play a bit more off the ball. Not all the time because he's good with it too but it might make him a more efficient player overall. Perhaps him fitting into a more clear hierarchy with him as the definitive #2 and guys around him that are capable of making a play would do the trick? Who knows? Speculation at best. But Young is a smart player and our team operates at its BEST when high IQ, quick decision-makers are on the floor.

Yes, good point. I can see an offense with Trae + Tatum working like this:

-Trae is the primary PG, initiator who runs the show because he's very good at doing that. Takes lots of pressure off tatum, so Tatum doesn't have to bring the ball up the floor every possession, Tatum's not getting double teamed once he crosses half court, he's not dribbling out half the shot clock, etc.

AND

-At times here and there, Trae can play off ball because he is a good shooter. And because it would lessen the load on Trae, since he wouldn't have to initiate the offense EVERY possession. And, because having Tatum (or White or whoever else) get us into our offense would give opposing defenses a different look, which might throw the opposing defense off a little bit

[lon3lytoaster]

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Backup PF this upcomng year?

PF: Grant W/Kabengele/Gallo
C: Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Good mix of inside and outside from the bigs, all switchable in their roles...3 deep on it too.

Gele is honestly a space cadet, and a bit of a spaz. Lots of energy from him but he is so, so lost so, so much of the time.

He didn't look lost in this video, but it's a highlight reel, I get it. I think being in three different systems, under three different coaches in three years has a lot to do with that. I mean, Rob didn't get the name Timelord by time shifting. He was a bit of a space cadet at first to. Then he got some serious Celtic coaching, had a great mentor in Big Al, and now is one of the five most important players on the team. I can see a 3rd year Rob all over Kabengele's game, and he has healthy knees and a three-point shot.

I’ve seen him a lot in Portland. I actually do like him a bit, and was really hopeful when we brought him in in summer league. Pretty good instincts and great athlete but man he gets confused a lot watching him in person

[Cricket23]

I think the premise for these Brown trades is unrealistic, with the premise being that Boston does not offer the supermax, and Brown agrees to an extension with the team who's trading for him. I don't think Brown would do that. I believe he would play out the year hoping to qualify for the supermax next year as well.

[bucknersrevenge]

rob would LOVE playing with this guy. He'd average 14-15 PPG if he can stay healthy. Capela averaged 15 PPG the year ATL went to the conference finals.

Watch on YouTube

Surround Trae with a lob threat (Rob) and a bunch of shooters (including Tatum) and our offense would be unstoppable.

A lot of the stuff Collins does in this video, would be Tatum doing it.

FWIW, I still think Trae has another level to unlock if someone can get him to play a bit more off the ball. Not all the time because he's good with it too but it might make him a more efficient player overall. Perhaps him fitting into a more clear hierarchy with him as the definitive #2 and guys around him that are capable of making a play would do the trick? Who knows? Speculation at best. But Young is a smart player and our team operates at its BEST when high IQ, quick decision-makers are on the floor.

Yes, good point. I can see an offense with Trae + Tatum working like this:

-Trae is the primary PG, initiator who runs the show because he's very good at doing that. Takes lots of pressure off tatum, so Tatum doesn't have to bring the ball up the floor every possession, Tatum's not getting double teamed once he crosses half court, he's not dribbling out half the shot clock, etc.

AND

-At times here and there, Trae can play off ball because he is a good shooter. And because it would lessen the load on Trae, since he wouldn't have to initiate the offense EVERY possession. And, because having Tatum (or White or whoever else) get us into our offense would give opposing defenses a different look, which might throw the opposing defense off a little bit

And because I have now talked myself into a scenario where this makes sense, there is now no chance of it actually happening.

[flintsky21]

At this point, I'm all in favor of moving Brown (and I've always been a big fan). I feel like the downside of having 2 high usage stars is when one has the ball, it sorta limits the other one's usefulness. I want to see Tatum paired up with a secondary "star" that can complement him more. So it could be a facilitator (Trae?), an offball shooter (Bane?), or a post player that Tatum can feed the ball to or be a recipient for drop passes off penetrations (Towns?).

I don't like the option of running it back. We've got 3 PGs that are being paid big money when only 1 of them can be played in the crunch. We've got 2 centers that are also not gonna be playeable together in crunch time.

[Hal14]

I think the premise for these Brown trades is unrealistic, with the premise being that Boston does not offer the supermax, and Brown agrees to an extension with the team who's trading for him. I don't think Brown would do that. I believe he would play out the year hoping to qualify for the supermax next year as well.

It's not up to him. If he gets traded, then he goes to the team he's traded to.

He's not a free agent, who can just sign with whichever team he wants. He's under contract through the 2023-2024 season. If he gets traded while under contract, he goes to that team - end of story.

And I'm sure he'd go to that other team happily - because if a deal goes down, then he would know that the other team wanted him more than the Celtics want him.

[bucknersrevenge]

I think the premise for these Brown trades is unrealistic, with the premise being that Boston does not offer the supermax, and Brown agrees to an extension with the team who's trading for him. I don't think Brown would do that. I believe he would play out the year hoping to qualify for the supermax next year as well.

It's not up to him. If he gets traded, then he goes to the team he's traded to.

He's not a free agent, who can just sign with whichever team he wants. He's under contract through the 2023-2024 season. If he gets traded while under contract, he goes to that team - end of story.

And I'm sure he'd go to that other team happily - because if a deal goes down, then he would know that the other team wanted him more than the Celtics want him.

Maybe, but that doesn't assume he extends with that team. He has all the leverage in this situation. I think that's the argument Cricket is trying to make.

[Cricket23]

I think the premise for these Brown trades is unrealistic, with the premise being that Boston does not offer the supermax, and Brown agrees to an extension with the team who's trading for him. I don't think Brown would do that. I believe he would play out the year hoping to qualify for the supermax next year as well.

It's not up to him. If he gets traded, then he goes to the team he's traded to.

He's not a free agent, who can just sign with whichever team he wants. He's under contract through the 2023-2024 season. If he gets traded while under contract, he goes to that team - end of story.

And I'm sure he'd go to that other team happily - because if a deal goes down, then he would know that the other team wanted him more than the Celtics want him.

Maybe, but that doesn't assume he extends with that team. He has all the leverage in this situation. I think that's the argument Cricket is trying to make.

Right, a team will only give value for him if he agrees to extend.

[BK_2020]

It's not up to him. If he gets traded, then he goes to the team he's traded to.

He's not a free agent, who can just sign with whichever team he wants. He's under contract through the 2023-2024 season. If he gets traded while under contract, he goes to that team - end of story.

And I'm sure he'd go to that other team happily - because if a deal goes down, then he would know that the other team wanted him more than the Celtics want him.

Maybe, but that doesn't assume he extends with that team. He has all the leverage in this situation. I think that's the argument Cricket is trying to make.

Right, a team will only give value for him if he agrees to extend.

Not really. Even if there is no extension agreed, a team will get a year of service, year to convince him, and first negotiation rights, plus his bird rights which is extremely valuable in an artificially depressed FA market. Just off the top of my head, Kawhi, Harden, Dejounte, Sabonis were all traded for value without an agreement for extension.

[Hal14]

Maybe, but that doesn't assume he extends with that team. He has all the leverage in this situation. I think that's the argument Cricket is trying to make.

Right, a team will only give value for him if he agrees to extend.

Not really. Even if there is no extension agreed, a team will get a year of service, year to convince him, and first negotiation rights, plus his bird rights which is extremely valuable in an artificially depressed FA market. Just off the top of my head, Kawhi, Harden, Dejounte, Sabonis were all traded for value without an agreement for extension.

Kyrie and Poeltl too. Raptors didn't know if Poeltl would resign with them, yet they gave up 3 draft picks, including a 2024 1st rounder.

Not to mention, it's hard for teams to know for sure whether a guy will extend with them long term before trading for them. Because the league has rule that prohibit teams from talking to a player who's under contract with another team about playing for them - that's tampering.

[165bows]

Brogs/whatever for DeRozan. Load up and strap that second apron on.

Another tier better of professional scorer with more size and can play more.

[Cricket23]

Maybe, but that doesn't assume he extends with that team. He has all the leverage in this situation. I think that's the argument Cricket is trying to make.

Right, a team will only give value for him if he agrees to extend.

Not really. Even if there is no extension agreed, a team will get a year of service, year to convince him, and first negotiation rights, plus his bird rights which is extremely valuable in an artificially depressed FA market. Just off the top of my head, Kawhi, Harden, Dejounte, Sabonis were all traded for value without an agreement for extension.

Kawhi is a different level player, and the return was below value. There were back channel dealings with Harden, and Murray and Sabonis each had more than 1 year left.

[Cricket23]

Right, a team will only give value for him if he agrees to extend.

Not really. Even if there is no extension agreed, a team will get a year of service, year to convince him, and first negotiation rights, plus his bird rights which is extremely valuable in an artificially depressed FA market. Just off the top of my head, Kawhi, Harden, Dejounte, Sabonis were all traded for value without an agreement for extension.

Kyrie and Poeltl too. Raptors didn't know if Poeltl would resign with them, yet they gave up 3 draft picks, including a 2024 1st rounder.

Not to mention, it's hard for teams to know for sure whether a guy will extend with them long term before trading for them. Because the league has rule that prohibit teams from talking to a player who's under contract with another team about playing for them - that's tampering.

Poeltl already had a relationship with the Toronto organization. They gave up 1 1st, 2 2nds, and a useless player. Comparing Kyrie in anyway is a waste of time.

[Cricket23]

If you trade Brown, you want a Mitchell level package. The way you do that is you trade him on a multi year contract. What is the rush in trading him this offseason anyway? Move a guard for a wing and that gives them a better balanced roster. They will be one of the favorites again. After a year, then trade Brown at max value for a big and a PG.

[BK_2020]

If you trade Brown, you want a Mitchell level package. The way you do that is you trade him on a multi year contract. What is the rush in trading him this offseason anyway? Move a guard for a wing and that gives them a better balanced roster.
They will be one of the favorites again. After a year, then trade Brown at max value for a big and a PG.

The rush is having Jaylen Brown on the team is like trying to swim with a millstone around your neck, so you kinda want to get it off as soon as you can.

Jaylen has been showing signs of physical regression for some time now. He was never the quickest guy in the league to begin with but now he can't stay in front of anyone and has completely lost what little burst he had. He's essentially a jump shooter now--one that shots 33% from the three.

Of course everyone loses speed and quickness as they age, but compensate with increased strength, guile, experience and wisdom, right? That doesn't appear to be happening with Jaylen Brown. When he was younger I thought his lack of dribbling abilities, slowness, and inability to come off a screen meant he was destined to become an undersized PF type as he aged. However, he simply has not gained the strength needed to do that. He gets absolutely destroyed inside.

So basically you have a guy who's only good for scoring and switchability whose scoring has gotten worse (despite the increase in volume) and who's becoming unplayable on defense, and his passing, court awareness, and general smarts is not advancing despite all that experience. The longer you hold on to him, the worse his value will be.

*Oh and now that he can't even fake it at the 2, the Celtics have a conundrum of having to play Tatum at the 4 full time just to accommodate a much worse player who season after season has proven to be a hindrance to winning. Moving Jaylen would allow the team to get bigger and Tatum to play his natural position. The lost 25 points on average efficiency can easily be made up.

[Cricket23]

If you trade Brown, you want a Mitchell level package. The way you do that is you trade him on a multi year contract. What is the rush in trading him this offseason anyway? Move a guard for a wing and that gives them a better balanced roster.
They will be one of the favorites again. After a year, then trade Brown at max value for a big and a PG.

The rush is having Jaylen Brown on the team is like trying to swim with a millstone around your neck, so you kinda want to get it off as soon as you can.

Jaylen has been showing signs of physical regression for some time now. He was never the quickest guy in the league to begin with but now he can't stay in front of anyone and has completely lost what little burst he had. He's essentially a jump shooter now--one that shots 33% from the three.

Of course everyone loses speed and quickness as they age, but compensate with increased strength, guile, experience and wisdom, right? That doesn't appear to be happening with Jaylen Brown. When he was younger I thought his lack of dribbling abilities, slowness, and inability to come off a screen meant he was destined to become an undersized PF type as he aged. However, he simply has not gained the strength needed to do that. He gets absolutely destroyed inside.

So basically you have a guy who's only good for scoring and switchability whose scoring has gotten worse (despite the increase in volume) and who's becoming unplayable on defense, and his passing, court awareness, and general smarts is not advancing despite all that experience. The longer you hold on to him, the worse his value will be.

*Oh and now that he can't even fake it at the 2, the Celtics have a conundrum of having to play Tatum at the 4 full time just to accommodate a much worse player who season after season has proven to be a hindrance to winning. Moving Jaylen would allow the team to get bigger and Tatum to play his natural position. The lost 25 points on average efficiency can easily be made up.

If you were right, nobody in the league would trade any value for him much less extend him. Obviously people in the league know what you know right? So this whole discussion would be moot.

[Curmudgeon]

Well, if Stevens' phone is ringing off the hook I'd love to know what other teams are offering.

[31to6]

Brogs/whatever for DeRozan. Load up and strap that second apron on.

Another tier better of professional scorer with more size and can play more.

Probably not enough shots to go around, and “whatever” would need to be a lot, but at a glance I love this.

Not sure if DeMar plays any defense but Brogdon has disappointed me on that side anyways.

[31to6]

Derozan is 33 and due $28m next year. Great advanced stats at a glance. Brogdon, Pritchard, a first and two seconds. Bulls say no, but if they said yes Smart/DeMar/JB/JT/RW with White/Grant/Al off the bench could be something for a year or two.

[Larry_Russell]

Surprised nonone commented on my

Brown and Gallo
For
Garland and Allen idea.

I like it lots. Garland is a stud and would pair great with tatum imo.

Then can kove timelord for a power forward

Garland/brogdon
Smart/white
Tatum
??/grant
Allen/horford