Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah I think this has come up before it's absolutely financial for Asik he got one lucky contract but if he's Howard's backup for two seasons his free agent stock plummets..


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[BRUNiNHO91]

Yeah I don't have a problem with Asik wanting to be traded. The Rockets used him. They signed him and showed some progress then went and got Howard and told him to eat 15 mpg. He doesn't have a 7 year deal he has a 3 year deal. Nobody is going to pay him in two years for what he did last year. There is no comparison between his situation and Kevin McHale.

They gave him big time money to do so though. It's not like he took a major pay cut to go there and now they are doing him dirty. 15mpg sucks, but two years locking up 20 million isn't all that bad in my book. Let's be honest..no matter how bad the situation is, Asik asked out in less than 20 games. Didn't he start in the beginning of the season? Took him like 5 games on the bench to ask for a trade. That's pretty ridiculous. Not only does it make you look bad, it screws the franchise that just gave you a payday because now they look desperate and your trade value goes to ****. I really wish guys in the NBA made the most out of their current situations rather than trying to leave and go to easier/better ones.

[jirrit]

If somehow we can turn Humphries into Asik without giving away a first round pick, would be nice IMO.

[Zin5]

Bass + Lee + a first for Asik and Montiejunas and I do it in a heartbeat

He is exactly what we need next to Sully. We're too good to tank and get a top pick, we might as well take advantage of teams in a bad position like Houston.

[BfB]

You can't add Asik until you have a plan to add the first option scorer. Asik is an excellent defensive big man, but he will cost the team trade assets, draft position, and cap money - all three element necessary to acquire a scoring wing.

So, what do you give up and what are your options for getting that missing 1st option scorer?

[Fencer reregistered]

You can't add Asik until you have a plan to add the first option scorer. Asik is an excellent defensive big man, but he will cost the team trade assets, draft position, and cap money - all three element necessary to acquire a scoring wing.

So, what do you give up and what are your options for getting that missing 1st option scorer?

Bass/Faverani/Clippers pick, assuming that Asik is both worth that package and attainable for it, doesn't make much of a dent in the asset pile. And it checks off a major need -- defensive center on a team whose two best recent draft picks were offensively-oriented PFs.

Asik
Sullinger/Olynyk
Green
Bradley
Rondo/Crawford

A lot of Boston picks
A lot of Brooklyn picks


is a pretty good base to work from.

[tfmiii]

I dunno, i may be all wet but it seems to me houston is in a bit of a pickle and that asik will be traded at something far below his hypothetical 'trade value' just to get some assets that fit better and will be more movable at the trade deadline.

Don't get me wrong Asik is a fine player but he is liability on offense and as mentioned in a post above the landing spots for him appear limited given his cap hit/contract.

The fact that houston is pushing to get a deal done so they can do another deal tells me that the market is very weak and they are reconciling themselves to the fact that they may have to take a couple steps to get what they want, which is fine with a gm as secure and willing to play a 'longer' game like morey at the helm. Right now asik just does not fit and his trade value is taking a hit.

Not that this is likely to happen, but I think humphries makes a ton of sense for houston, he has good court awareness/spacing, eats glass, has a nice midrange shot and his weakness on defense can be mitigated to some extent by dwight (at least to the extent that dwight can do that anymore). obviously not a 'media home run' kind of deal but the fact that his deal is expiring also would make humphries a valuable asset at trade time if rockets decide to go that way

from boston's perspective i think BfB has the right of it, getting asik would be a nice move, but it is ultimately a sideways move unless something else is on the menu

[Bluewhale]

Just wonder, if our coach wants all big man can shoot?

[Green89]

We need to get a deal done with the Clippers pick, as we won't get a player as good as Asik with it. Even if we got a strong player, it would take him a few years to get to Asik's playing level. C's are rebuilding, but no sense in not trying to speed up the process by getting a solid starting center.

[Fencer reregistered]

The Rockets got former 2nd-round pick Asik just by signing him in free agency.
The Celtics got Faverani just by signing him in free agency.
The Celtics got Bass by using a 2nd-round pick and trading the resulting player to Orlando, who got Bass with a 2nd-round pick.

I'd like to just trade 2 players for 1 and have done with it, each team balancing out some roster gaps and redundancies.

Houston seems to be trying to time this so they have the option of trading Asik for any kind of asset, and rectifying things in February. But I'd think that actually getting what they need in a trade might be a suitable alternative.

[BfB]

Listen, it's not about Asik making the Celtics better, i know he does. But, his acquisition comes at a cost - Asik accounts for a major salary slot and limits all three avenues for team improvement.

Boston needs another focal point scorer. Until there is a plan identified for one, I have trouble seeing this move being effective unless they can get him for a song.

Current, possible, wing acquisitions:

- Afflalo
- Hayward
- Granger
- Anthony
- Mayo
- Turner
- Gallinari
- Waiters
- ???

Who else is potentially available? The most interesting player on my quick list is Afflalo. He is cost-controlled and is a relentless worker. Would Orlando sell him off for a late 1st?

I'd move two of the firsts - lotto protected - for Afflalo and Asik. No "Superstar" but I could get behind a 2-year internal development plan with:

Rondo/Crawford
Afflalo/Bradley
Green/Afflalo
Sullinger/Olynyk
Asik/Olynyk

That's my baseline acceptable 8 man rotation going forward that is bith built for the playoffs and still retains a majority of its talent. Do I think that's a title team? Not likely, but If BKN's picks become excellent I think that unit can all develop killer market value over the next 2 seasons.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Looks like New Orleans and Portland are interested, but NO doesn't want to give up Ryan Anderson and Portland doesn't have a 4 to offer. I also saw a poster mention Milsap for Asik is a possibility. If ATL rumor is false, it seems like Bass, Faverani and the Clippers pick is better than anything out there...

[CelticFaninLBC]

Listen, it's not about Asik making the Celtics better, i know he does. But, his acquisition comes at a cost - Asik accounts for a major salary slot and limits all three avenues for team improvement.

Boston needs another focal point scorer. Until there is a plan identified for one, I have trouble seeing this move being effective unless they can get him for a song.

Current, possible, wing acquisitions:

- Afflalo
- Hayward
- Granger
- Anthony
- Mayo
- Turner
- Gallinari
- Waiters
- ???

Who else is potentially available? The most interesting player on my quick list is Afflalo. He is cost-controlled and is a relentless worker. Would Orlando sell him off for a late 1st?

I'd move two of the firsts - lotto protected - for Afflalo and Asik. No "Superstar" but I could get behind a 2-year internal development plan with:

Rondo/Crawford
Afflalo/Bradley
Green/Afflalo
Sullinger/Olynyk
Asik/Olynyk

That's my baseline acceptable 8 man rotation going forward that is bith built for the playoffs and still retains a majority of its talent. Do I think that's a title team? Not likely, but If BKN's picks become excellent I think that unit can all develop killer market value over the next 2 seasons.

I'd rather get Asik for Bass, Faverani and the LAC pick, and save the remainder or assets for Melo

[Captain_Caveman]

Listen, it's not about Asik making the Celtics better, i know he does. But, his acquisition comes at a cost - Asik accounts for a major salary slot and limits all three avenues for team improvement.

Boston needs another focal point scorer. Until there is a plan identified for one, I have trouble seeing this move being effective unless they can get him for a song.

Current, possible, wing acquisitions:

- Afflalo
- Hayward
- Granger
- Anthony
- Mayo
- Turner
- Gallinari
- Waiters
- ???

Who else is potentially available? The most interesting player on my quick list is Afflalo. He is cost-controlled and is a relentless worker. Would Orlando sell him off for a late 1st?

I'd move two of the firsts - lotto protected - for Afflalo and Asik. No "Superstar" but I could get behind a 2-year internal development plan with:

Rondo/Crawford
Afflalo/Bradley
Green/Afflalo
Sullinger/Olynyk
Asik/Olynyk

That's my baseline acceptable 8 man rotation going forward that is bith built for the playoffs and still retains a majority of its talent. Do I think that's a title team? Not likely, but If BKN's picks become excellent I think that unit can all develop killer market value over the next 2 seasons.

Agree with all that. So where do you top out on an Asik offer?

For me, something like one of these:

Hump/Clippers pick
Bass/Bogans OR Lee/Clippers pick
Bass/Faverani OR Crawford/Clippers pick
Bass/Faverani/Crawford

[Fencer reregistered]

One concern is that by the time the Celtics are more than longest-of-shots contenders, most of the talent will be getting new contracts. The cost control is quite temporary.

(There are a couple of threads in which I could have made that point, actually ...)

[BfB]

One concern is that by the time the Celtics are more than longest-of-shots contenders, most of the talent will be getting new contracts. The cost control is quite temporary.

(There are a couple of threads in which I could have made that point, actually ...)

That's fine. This group only needs two more seasons to review its current assets and play the market. I expect some diffinitive decisions to be made over the next two offseasons.

[BfB]

Listen, it's not about Asik making the Celtics better, i know he does. But, his acquisition comes at a cost - Asik accounts for a major salary slot and limits all three avenues for team improvement.

Boston needs another focal point scorer. Until there is a plan identified for one, I have trouble seeing this move being effective unless they can get him for a song.

Current, possible, wing acquisitions:

- Afflalo
- Hayward
- Granger
- Anthony
- Mayo
- Turner
- Gallinari
- Waiters
- ???

Who else is potentially available? The most interesting player on my quick list is Afflalo. He is cost-controlled and is a relentless worker. Would Orlando sell him off for a late 1st?

I'd move two of the firsts - lotto protected - for Afflalo and Asik. No "Superstar" but I could get behind a 2-year internal development plan with:

Rondo/Crawford
Afflalo/Bradley
Green/Afflalo
Sullinger/Olynyk
Asik/Olynyk

That's my baseline acceptable 8 man rotation going forward that is bith built for the playoffs and still retains a majority of its talent. Do I think that's a title team? Not likely, but If BKN's picks become excellent I think that unit can all develop killer market value over the next 2 seasons.

Agree with all that. So where do you top out on an Asik offer?

For me, something like one of these:

Hump/Clippers pick
Bass/Bogans OR Lee/Clippers pick
Bass/Faverani OR Crawford/Clippers pick
Bass/Faverani/Crawford

Honestly, Bass is playing so well right now that i'd give serious consideration to retaining him if it weren't for Wallace's immovable presence.

Bass/Lee/Clippers pick
Hump/Clips
Wallace/Clips

[Fencer reregistered]

Honestly, Bass is playing so well right now that i'd give serious consideration to retaining him if it weren't for Wallace's immovable presence.

Bass/Lee/Clippers pick
Hump/Clips
Wallace/Clips

Depending on how one counts, the Celtics have 3-4 interesting PFs (the dubious one is Hump, who we'll have Bird rights on), plus 0-2 SFs who are also useful at PF.

The Celtics have exactly one natural center.

Trading a PF for a natural center hence makes a lot of sense. That Bass may be -- correctly! -- viewed as being a significant asset just helps make the deal plausible.

One thing does bother me about the idea, however -- Bass has been a great team player, attitude-wise, while Asik as previously noted is a "Me, minutes, mine!" whiner. Bass is also seen, in a way, as KG's heir. But that kind of thing is probably a risk worth taking, if the deal otherwise makes sense.

[UGA Hayes]

You can't add Asik until you have a plan to add the first option scorer. Asik is an excellent defensive big man, but he will cost the team trade assets, draft position, and cap money - all three element necessary to acquire a scoring wing.

So, what do you give up and what are your options for getting that missing 1st option scorer?

This is my feeling too. He is one of the worst offensive bigs in the league and while I like him as a player I would have serious reservations about structuring a team around him rondo, bradley. One posibility and it would be a shocker to people but I wonder if we would consider trading for Lin and Asik for rondo.

[Jammer]

I think that the Celtics trade assets are:

Jared Sullinger, an undersized center who can't defend power forwards or opposing centers. OK offensive game, but useless defensively and does not have an offensive game that will succeed against the level of competition found in Conference Finals or NBA Finals. Shoots 3's but at 29.2% on a team averaging 34% perhaps he should be red-lighted on 3's, which would instantly raise the team's 3 point shooting percentage.

Avery Bradley, a guard who is neither a point guard nor a shooting guard, but when paired with Jordan Crawford, Bradley guards the opposing PG while Crawford runs the Celtic offense, forcing Crawford to match up with the opposing shooting guard

Courtney Lee, a backup shooting guard who for 5.6 million year is overpriced for 2 seasons after this one

Gerald Wallace, a backup SF who at 10 million per year is overpriced for 2 seasons after this one