Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8)

Banks2Pierce · Post #21 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:54 pm

If anyone buys the idea that Ainge is really into the braintyping stuff still, Pierce and Rajon have the same type (ISFP) so he really might be hellbent on keeping Rajon.

Also, it's funny to see that article about Rajon and leadership because it reminds me of the same exact stuff Pierce went through as he was named captain.

Gant · Post #22 » by **Gant** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:01 pm

Gorman also said that he believes Rajon Rondo is at the top of the list of players the Celtics don't want to trade.

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/ ... rade-talks

Afam · Post #23 » by **Afam** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:06 pm

Gant wrote:
Gorman also said that he believes Rajon Rondo is at the top of the list of players the Celtics don't want to trade.

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/ ... rade-talks

Hard to believe anything the media says this days. We shall see.

Gant · Post #24 » by **Gant** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:16 pm

Afam wrote:
Gant wrote:
Gorman also said that he believes Rajon Rondo is at the top of the list of players the Celtics don't want to trade.

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/ ... rade-talks

Hard to believe anything the media says this days. We shall see.

Mike Gorman has credibility.

The reason this makes sense is:

1) The Celtics don't want to empty the cupboard, and Rondo's their best player.

2) Rondo probably won't help much in wins this year as he's easing back into the game. (He should regain effectiveness next season more than this one.)

3) Whoever they did trade Rondo for (assuming it's a player) would add counterproductive wins now.

4) If they trade Rondo for just a draft pick- See #1.

Bluewhale · Post #25 » by **Bluewhale** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:33 pm

5) Rondo didn't show any message that he is unhappy in the rebuilding process, at least for this season. (Yes, NY media keep saying Rondo is unhappy and will force a trade out of Boston, but it's NY media, you know.)

Post #26 » by **Parliament10** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:23 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:If anyone buys the idea that Ainge is really into the braintyping stuff still, Pierce and Rajon have the same type (ISFP) so he really might be hellbent on keeping Rajon.

Also, it's funny to see that article about Rajon and leadership because it reminds me of the same exact stuff Pierce went through as he was named captain.

Remember some of that stuff?

The Truth on the The Truth
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... ?page=full

For a lot of years the Truth seemed to be the one who couldn't "handle the truth." The Celtics were a sub-.500 team in six of Pierce's first nine seasons. Once-proud Boston was the hoop Hub of bad teams and bad luck and Pierce was the poster child for a franchise that bordered on irrelevancy. Pierce didn't like Pitino. Then he didn't like Doc Rivers. It was obvious. Pierce would stand apart from his teammates and coach during timeouts.

He didn't care much for his supporting cast. He was surrounded by the Ricky Davises of the world; teamed with kids right out of high school who didn't know how to play. Pierce put himself above his teammates and his coach.

"Me and Doc definitely bumped heads from the beginning," he said. "There were screaming matches, rebellion. I didn't think it was going to work between me and him. Doc would say, 'Paul, your body language and your attitude says a lot for the guys around you. I know you're not happy not winning games. But you have to know how if affects the rest of the guys. When your body language is low and you're not getting extra shots, it rubs off on the other guys.'

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #27 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:58 pm

Durant is tearing it up as being option 1A, 1B, 1C, 2,3, 4,5....ect. Imagine the damage he could do with a real PG. Maybe we can trade OKC Rondo, Wallace or Green, and a 1st rounder in exchange for Westbrook and Perkins. I don't care for Perk, but his contract is shorter than Green's or Wallace's.

Post #28 » by **sully00** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:26 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:If anyone buys the idea that Ainge is really into the braintyping stuff still, Pierce and Rajon have the same type (ISFP) so he really might be hellbent on keeping Rajon.

Also, it's funny to see that article about Rajon and leadership because it reminds me of the same exact stuff Pierce went through as he was named captain.

Remember some of that stuff?

The Truth on the The Truth
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... ?page=full
For a lot of years the Truth seemed to be the one who couldn't "handle the truth." The Celtics were a sub-.500 team in six of Pierce's first nine seasons. Once-proud Boston was the hoop Hub of bad teams and bad luck and Pierce was the poster child for a franchise that bordered on irrelevancy. Pierce didn't like Pitino. Then he didn't like Doc Rivers. It was obvious. Pierce would stand apart from his teammates and coach during timeouts.

He didn't care much for his supporting cast. He was surrounded by the Ricky Davises of the world; teamed with kids right out of high school who didn't know how to play. Pierce put himself above his teammates and his coach.

"Me and Doc definitely bumped heads from the beginning," he said. "There were screaming matches, rebellion. I didn't think it was going to work between me and him. Doc would say, 'Paul, your body language and your attitude says a lot for the guys around you. I know you're not happy not winning games. But you have to know how if affects the rest of the guys. When your body language is low and you're not getting extra shots, it rubs off on the other guys.'

That was an awful article. That was Shank's way of saying "I was wrong about Paul Pierce but it is still him and not me." I am sure nobody liked Pitino when he left but Paul and Pitino were very close to that point. Shank doesn't even acknowledge that the OB era ever even occurred that Paul Pierce wouldn't have known what good teammates, even if not great players, was about.

Dude knows nothing about basketball and is very myopic.

Post #29 » by **sully00** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:48 pm

If you actually read the rumors that are being reported what everyone is saying is simple:

1. Other GM's and front offices expect Ainge to look to move Rondo (and Green for that matter).

2. One of the reasons for this is the belief that Rondo will not be willing to put up with the losing in a rebuilding situation.

3. Everyone involved from the authors to the sources admits this is not coming out of Boston that if you call and want to talk Rondo they listen and then say "No thanks."

Now there are issues that aren't simply brushed away losing when your on the sidelines and losing while your playing are two different things.

The contract situation is also an issue. If Rondo isn't willing to take a 3 year extension I don't know that Ainge can risk playing it out with him because there is probably less than a 50% chance that this team is significantly improved by next season. One possible solution is to give Rondo a player option for year 3. That would at least give him some leverage if Ainge doesn't get this thing together.

I do think there is a chance that Rondo does want the chance to be the man, and this is probably his only real change at that. Nobody is going to bring him in, no matter the price, and design an offense around him they are going to be looking for him to come in and compliment another star.

If Rondo wants to be Jason Kidd then this is his chance and he needs to seize it part of that may be taking a chance on his next contract.

Kenhov · Post #30 » by **Kenhov** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:32 pm

Like many others on here I love the club more than any one player however I would be surprised if rondo is traded because of one simple thing.

Culture.

Has there even been a gutting out of a teams culture as it would be with Rondo gone ?

With no defined leader, no connection with any of our winning teams, you would be left with a group of rookies and possibly a traded allstar or two to create a new culture with a new coach and the semblance of the backroom staff that remains.

More than most teams, Celtic culture is tangible.

Rondo remains the last connection with that culture.

On the flip side if Rondo is the final piece to shift in a great rebuild, it will get done.

Given that Ainge almost traded him for a great PG, there is a standard established. Look at teams who either need to upgrade at PG and are in lottery position or teams with a score first PG who isnt working out and who want to go pass first. Id like to think they are our trading partners.

Dont be surprised if the Lakers and Celts become partners in a dance at the draft.

soxfan2003 · Post #31 » by **soxfan2003** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:51 pm

sully00 wrote:
If Rondo wants to be Jason Kidd then this is his chance and he needs to seize it part of that may be taking a chance on his next contract.

Nice post.

NJ Kidd was more talented then Rondo but he also had a very talented team that ideally suited his fast break strengths. Compare Martin/Jefferson/Kittles etc. running with what the Celtics have know. It's like comparing Usain Bolt to the typical high school sprinter. NJ also had more then 1 rim protector.

If Rondo wants to be Jason Kidd that actually played on a team in the Finals that wasn't completely embarrassed(SA won it 6 games), not only does more of his athleticism need to return and he has to improve as a player, the Celtics have to get 3 fairly elite runners/finishers that clearly deserve to start in the NBA. Right now Boston has zero besides Rondo since its hard to put Avery Bradley in the same category as a finisher as a young Kerry Kittles. And Martin and Jefferson were even more elite as fast break players for their positions.

In the half court, the Celtics last night had Rondo throwing a lob pass to (I believe) Sullinger who failed to convert at first and then scored on a rebound.

And for those folks that think you can run NJ style in the modern NBA without the horses, they are so sadly mistaken it

And that running game doesn't even win unless you can execute in the half court very well. Lakers fans know it. Pretty much everyone knows it. Perhaps even Nelson has figured it out by now. I'm sure Kidd figured it out since when Dallas won it he was a role playing floor spacer.

It would have been pretty amazing to see Rondo play with 24 year old versions of KG/PP/RA but in a quick rebuild the Celtics can probably get 3rd tier players that can run or that can shoot but not both.

For example, someone like Wiggins can clearly run and perhaps with proper training and hard work could look great by year 2 in the NBA. But he probably won't be a very good floor spacer in the NBA until year 3 if things go well.

Parker may be a very good floor spacer in the NBA by year 2 or perhaps even year 1 but he isn't a Richard Jefferson on the break.

And Sullinger/Olynyk are two of the slowest bigs in the NBA.

Green has above average athleticism/speed but last year showed he isn't someone that really benefits at all by Rondo on the break. Green is better handling the ball himself on the break and not being an outlet. He will be one year older next year and not a player that makes sense to run into the ground.

Wallace isn't going anywhere and he isn't a runner anymore.

bibby1023 · Post #32 » by **bibby1023** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:01 pm

What do you guys think about a Ben McLemore and Isaiah Thomas as a starting point in a much bigger trade scenario?

underneathtoDJ · Post #33 » by **underneathtoDJ** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:47 am

bibby1023 wrote:What do you guys think about a Ben McLemore and Isaiah Thomas as a starting point in a much bigger trade scenario?

3 way deal:

Bos: Out- Rondo, Green In- Asik, McLemore, I. Thomas, R. Covington, '14 SAC 1st

Sac: Out: McLemore, Thomas, Thompson, '14 1st In- Rondo, Montejunas

Hou: Out: Asik, Montejunas, Covington In- Green, Thompson

Say the draft nets us #3 (J. Parker), #10 from SAC (T. Ennis), #20 from ATL (M. McGary):
PG- Thomas/Ennis/Pressey
SG- Bradley/McLemore
SF- Parker/Wallace
PF- Sully/Bass/KO
C- Asik/McGary

zronv7 · Post #34 » by **zronv7** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:00 am

If Rondo gets traded Wallace has to be attached.

sdballer · Post #35 » by **sdballer** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:49 am

underneathtoDJ wrote:
bibby1023 wrote:What do you guys think about a Ben McLemore and Isaiah Thomas as a starting point in a much bigger trade scenario?

3 way deal:

Bos: Out- Rondo, Green In- Asik, McLemore, I. Thomas, R. Covington, '14 SAC 1st

Sac: Out: McLemore, Thomas, Thompson, '14 1st In- Rondo, Montejunas

Hou: Out: Asik, Montejunas, Covington In- Green, Thompson

Say the draft nets us #3 (J. Parker), #10 from SAC (T. Ennis), #20 from ATL (M. McGary):
PG- Thomas/Ennis/Pressey
SG- Bradley/McLemore
SF- Parker/Wallace
PF- Sully/Bass/KO
C- Asik/McGary

Sac can't trade their 2014 pick right now.

grindtime22 · Post #36 » by **grindtime22** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:57 am

zronv7 wrote:If Rondo gets traded Wallace has to be attached.

Not sure that is true. If Rondo gets traded, we are not in quick rebuild mode. It will take us at least 3 years to be in a great position. By that time, Wallace will be a nice expiring contract. Wallace certainly could be part of it, but I wouldn't call it a necessity.

hands11 · Post #37 » by **hands11** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:10 pm

zronv7 wrote:If Rondo gets traded Wallace has to be attached.

I don't see that happening. I think Wallace can only get traded down the road with less years on his contract.

BleedGreen1989 · Post #38 » by **BleedGreen1989** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:16 pm

grindtime22 wrote:
zronv7 wrote:If Rondo gets traded Wallace has to be attached.

Not sure that is true. If Rondo gets traded, we are not in quick rebuild mode. It will take us at least 3 years to be in a great position. By that time, Wallace will be a nice expiring contract. Wallace certainly could be part of it, but I wouldn't call it a necessity.

I agree with this POV.

Don't see how it's a must to attach Wallace.

underneathtoDJ · Post #39 » by **underneathtoDJ** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:48 pm

sdballer wrote:
underneathtoDJ wrote:
bibby1023 wrote:What do you guys think about a Ben McLemore and Isaiah Thomas as a starting point in a much bigger trade scenario?

3 way deal:

Bos: Out- Rondo, Green In- Asik, McLemore, I. Thomas, R. Covington, '14 SAC 1st

Sac: Out: McLemore, Thomas, Thompson, '14 1st In- Rondo, Montejunas

Hou: Out: Asik, Montejunas, Covington In- Green, Thompson

Say the draft nets us #3 (J. Parker), #10 from SAC (T. Ennis), #20 from ATL (M. McGary):
PG- Thomas/Ennis/Pressey
SG- Bradley/McLemore
SF- Parker/Wallace
PF- Sully/Bass/KO
C- Asik/McGary

Sac can't trade their 2014 pick right now.

Then have the deal be the right to swap picks with the BKL/ATL pick. C's lose out on #20, but Ainge may be able to buy a late 1st if he really wants one. We certainly have plenty of assets to make a deal happen on draft day.

Although with reports showing the C's want to extend Rondo, this is probably a big waste of time.

cloverleaf · Post #40 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:38 pm

hands11 wrote:
zronv7 wrote:If Rondo gets traded Wallace has to be attached.

I don't see that happening. I think Wallace can only get traded down the road with less years on his contract.

I agree, if Wallace gets bundled in the C's get a worse player back, and the last thing the C's need to do is to trade their one star without getting another star in return.