Jackie M - Rondo wants out?

[Chris4Vikes]

I've long thought that Rondo will not be here past the deadline, and possibly be gone before the season starts (this just reinforces that thinking). I think it's going to be Sacramento, even though people regard McLemore and picks as a garbage package, but that's what I think they'll get for him. McLemore, Williams, and 1 or 2 first round picks (whatever minor variations are necessary for cap purposes.) Possibly an expanded version could include Anthony and Babb from us, and Jason Thompson from them.

Even worse is that Rondo will kill that trade.

He may try, but I think Kings pull trigger anyway if deal is right for them. They have to take such a gamble to land a player like Rondo.

[DarkAzcura]

I've long thought that Rondo will not be here past the deadline, and possibly be gone before the season starts (this just reinforces that thinking). I think it's going to be Sacramento, even though people regard McLemore and picks as a garbage package, but that's what I think they'll get for him. McLemore, Williams, and 1 or 2 first round picks (whatever minor variations are necessary for cap purposes.) Possibly an expanded version could include Anthony and Babb from us, and Jason Thompson from them.

Even worse is that Rondo will kill that trade.

Which is odd to me. Rondo must really hate the city of Sacramento or something because I'd assume he'd love to play with Cousins, and he's known to be friends with Rudy Gay (at least they were friends a couple years back..).

[threrf23]

If Rondo's pull is McLemore/Williams/a future first, I'd rather risk him walking for nothing. That would be hideous, especially since we already have a bunch of future picks and McLemore/Williams probably couldn't crack our rotation next season.

If he does want out, there should be no urgency to trade him. Even if you wait til next offseason, a sign & trade becomes a possibility.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I've long thought that Rondo will not be here past the deadline, and possibly be gone before the season starts (this just reinforces that thinking). I think it's going to be Sacramento, even though people regard McLemore and picks as a garbage package, but that's what I think they'll get for him. McLemore, Williams, and 1 or 2 first round picks (whatever minor variations are necessary for cap purposes.) Possibly an expanded version could include Anthony and Babb from us, and Jason Thompson from them.

Even worse is that Rondo will kill that trade.

He might, but I've read that Sac is willing to take a chance on trading for him without any assurances from Rondo.

[BakersDozen]

When was the last time Jackie Mac has broken anything? She is pretty much regulated to puff pieces these days.

[Captain_Caveman]

I've long thought that Rondo will not be here past the deadline, and possibly be gone before the season starts (this just reinforces that thinking). I think it's going to be Sacramento, even though people regard McLemore and picks as a garbage package, but that's what I think they'll get for him. McLemore, Williams, and 1 or 2 first round picks (whatever minor variations are necessary for cap purposes.) Possibly an expanded version could include Anthony and Babb from us, and Jason Thompson from them.

Even worse is that Rondo will kill that trade.

He might, but I've read that Sac is willing to take a chance on trading for him without any assurances from Rondo.

Standard posturing.

If he doesn't give them some kind of assurance he will resign, cut their trade offer in half.

If he tells them he won't, cut it to zero.

[Bill Lumbergh]

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If he does want out, there should be no urgency to trade him. Even if you wait til next offseason, a sign & trade becomes a possibility.

That's a possibility, but I don't think Danny takes the chance of losing him for nothing by letting him become a free agent. Yes, I know about the cap space we'd have if he walks for no return, but, just my opinion, I don't think Danny risks that. There's an element of risk to all strategies, but I hope that Danny is not pinning his hopes on the free agency route. Better a sure return (even a less than optimal one), than the risk involved in the free agency game.

We shall see.

[DarkAzcura]

When was the last time Jackie Mac has broken anything? She is pretty much regulated to puff pieces these days.

Yeah, what makes me doubt Jackie a lot (I think she's been off lately) is what she says about Doc and Rondo..."he doesn't like him. He's done with Rondo." I feel like that flies in that face of what Rondo and Doc say. Obviously they are political about it in the media, but I really doubt both guys are lying when they say they talk on the phone a lot. Maybe Doc is done with Rondo the player, but I find it pretty harsh (exaggerated) to say Doc doesn't like him.

With that said, I think there's a decent chance Rondo is traded...just not as extremely as Jackie believes.

[cl2117]

I think this makes sense just from a logical point of view.

Celtics have always shopped Rondo, they draft edSmart and were shut out from making a big splash. I think Rondo may be at the point where he is saying "trade me if there is a good fit because I don't see myself resigning next summer unless you luck into a major star or two". It's his final year and he should get plenty of playing time so I don't think it's an "I want out, trade me now" type of situation, but maybe he just doesn't see himself fitting into the future and this is just fair warning he wants out of the rebuild and to find a better fit long term. Fair enough in my opinion, I would just hope he would work with Ainge if he does want out to find a team and come to an arrangement where the Celtics can get something back for him.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Even worse is that Rondo will kill that trade.

He might, but I've read that Sac is willing to take a chance on trading for him without any assurances from Rondo.

Standard posturing.

If he doesn't give them some kind of assurance he will resign, cut their trade offer in half.

If he tells them he won't, cut it to zero.

Yes, well obviously there comes a point where returning just any old contracts is less advantageous than just letting him walk for nothing. That's a given. But I don't regard McLemore, Williams and two firsts (if we can even get two firsts) as less value than just letting him walk.

[Chris4Vikes]

He might, but I've read that Sac is willing to take a chance on trading for him without any assurances from Rondo.

Standard posturing.

If he doesn't give them some kind of assurance he will resign, cut their trade offer in half.

If he tells them he won't, cut it to zero.

Yes, well obviously there comes a point where returning just any old contracts is less advantageous than just letting him walk for nothing. That's a given. But I don't regard McLemore, Williams and two firsts (if we can even get two firsts) as less value than just letting him walk.

Totally agree. And I may be the only one on this board who is actually high on McLemore. The kid is 20-21 years old. He has a so-so rookie season and he is chopped liver? The pedigree and ability is there.

[Captain_Caveman]

He might, but I've read that Sac is willing to take a chance on trading for him without any assurances from Rondo.

Standard posturing.

If he doesn't give them some kind of assurance he will resign, cut their trade offer in half.

If he tells them he won't, cut it to zero.

Yes, well obviously there comes a point where returning just any old contracts is less advantageous than just letting him walk for nothing. That's a given. But I don't regard McLemore, Williams and two firsts (if we can even get two firsts) as less value than just letting him walk.

Right on. I am saying that the Kings will not offer that after they speak to him.

It is in Rondo's primary interest to get traded to a team he wants to resign with, so that he can get a guaranteed 5th year. That is going to be a very short list, IMO. Lakers, Rockets, Knicks, maybe a few others depending on who will pay top dollar. Barring that, his secondary interest is playing out the contract and soliciting a 4 year max in free agency, also to whichever desirable team will pay top dollar.

[2Mas]

Yo!

She don't know what she's talking about. She didn't even know Isaiah Thomas wasn't on the Kings. & Then she said the "Big kid" McLemore.

& Why would the Clippers want him? That entire thing was completely nonsense except the fact that she said that he told them he wants out.

I'm not believing this nonsense. I don't even like when she calls games. It's such basic stuff, any of us w/ a couple sources would be better than her.

I seen that GB thread a few hours ago & it got me so mad. It's nonsense.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Standard posturing.

If he doesn't give them some kind of assurance he will resign, cut their trade offer in half.

If he tells them he won't, cut it to zero.

Yes, well obviously there comes a point where returning just any old contracts is less advantageous than just letting him walk for nothing. That's a given. But I don't regard McLemore, Williams and two firsts (if we can even get two firsts) as less value than just letting him walk.

Right on. I am saying that the Kings will not offer that after they speak to him.

It is in Rondo's primary interest to get traded to a team he wants to resign with, so that he can get a guaranteed 5th year. That is going to be a very short list, IMO. Lakers, Rockets, Knicks, maybe a few others depending on who will pay top dollar. Barring that, his secondary interest is playing out the contract and soliciting a 4 year max in free agency, also to whichever desirable team will pay top dollar.

I doubt they'd offer two firsts too. But McLemore, Williams, and a first I think they'd definitely offer. It's fine talking about Rondo's interests, but there's Danny's (the Celtics' interests) to consider, and I don't think he let's Rondo get to free agency. Not seeing what the Knicks have to offer that would be of interest. Outside of Randle, same could be said of the Lakers, and I think the Rockets too. As of now, I think Sac offers the most realistic trade partner. Things could obviously change during the season, but barring an unexpected very strong start to the season (if Rondo's still on the team,) I think he's gone, unless virtually no one offers what I project Sac would offer, but I find it hard to believe that someone won't offer at least that much value for Rondo.

[Captain_Caveman]

Yes, well obviously there comes a point where returning just any old contracts is less advantageous than just letting him walk for nothing. That's a given. But I don't regard McLemore, Williams and two firsts (if we can even get two firsts) as less value than just letting him walk.

Right on. I am saying that the Kings will not offer that after they speak to him.

It is in Rondo's primary interest to get traded to a team he wants to resign with, so that he can get a guaranteed 5th year. That is going to be a very short list, IMO. Lakers, Rockets, Knicks, maybe a few others depending on who will pay top dollar. Barring that, his secondary interest is playing out the contract and soliciting a 4 year max in free agency, also to whichever desirable team will pay top dollar.

I doubt they'd offer two firsts too. But McLemore, Williams, and a first I think they'd definitely offer. It's fine talking about Rondo's interests, but there's Danny's (the Celtics' interests) to consider, and I don't think he let's Rondo get to free agency. Not seeing what the Knicks have to offer that would be of interest. Outside of Randle, same could be said of the Lakers, and I think the Rockets too. As of now, I think Sac offers the most realistic trade partner. Things could obviously change during the season, but barring an unexpected very strong start to the season (if Rondo's still on the team,) I think he's gone, unless virtually no one offers what I project Sac would offer, but I find it hard to believe that someone won't offer at least that much value for Rondo.

Rondo's interests have a direct impact on Sacramento's in this case, though. I think we agree that if the Cs are going to do it, that McLemore and a pick might be the ballpark. I just think Rondo kills that deal.

On a related note, in my time on this board, I have proposed maybe two Rondo trades.

First was saying as far back as March 2010 that I'd trade him for Steph Curry.
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Is the ROY.

I'd trade Rondo for him no questions asked.

Second was a few weeks ago, to the Knicks:
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If we not sold on Rondo at $20m or think he is a flight risk, how about Rondo/Wallace for Amare/Larkin/2015 pick swap rights with Clippers pick/2018 unprotected pick?

We'd end up with something like the following in a year:

Larkin
Smart/Bradley
Turner/Young
Sullinger/Olynyk
Zeller

4th, 16th, 31st, 34th picks in 2015 draft
Up to $37m or so in cap room
Bird Rights on Green and Bass
2016 picks - Own, Nets and Cavs 1sts; Sixers and Heat 2nds
2017 picks - Better of own/Nets 1sts
2018 picks - Own, Nets, Knicks 1sts

If we had to, I'd do it.

[Edug27]

Kinda think this board has been in denial for awhile .. If Danny doesn't bring in a star player, then Rondo will let Danny know he's not re-signing .. And Danny will move him before the deadline .. Knowing he's not getting another star in return .. Marcus Smart will be the starting PG after all star break.

[SichtingLives]

lol at this even being a story. Not the idea that Rondo would want out (makes sense) but a reporter winging nonsense while contradicting her own main contention. The media picked up on the art of trolling years ago and it's smart that they did, there's always plenty of people to take the bait.

[Bill Lumbergh]

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Rondo's interests have a direct impact on Sacramento's in this case, though. I think we agree that if the Cs are going to do it, that McLemore and a pick might be the ballpark. I just think Rondo kills that deal.

On a related note, in my time on this board, I have proposed maybe two Rondo trades.

First was saying as far back as March 2010 that I'd trade him for Steph Curry.
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I'd trade Rondo for him no questions asked.

You sure called that one right on Curry way ahead of the curve.

[165bows]

If we not sold on Rondo at $20m or think he is a flight risk, how about Rondo/Wallace for Amare/Larkin/2015 pick swap rights with Clippers pick/2018 unprotected pick?

We'd end up with something like the following in a year:

Larkin
Smart/Bradley
Turner/Young
Sullinger/Olynyk
Zeller

4th, 16th, 31st, 34th picks in 2015 draft
Up to $37m or so in cap room
Bird Rights on Green and Bass
2016 picks - Own, Nets and Cavs 1sts; Sixers and Heat 2nds
2017 picks - Better of own/Nets 1sts
2018 picks - Own, Nets, Knicks 1sts

If we had to, I'd do it.

I'm a pretty big Rondo guy but I don't see NY's interest in this. They'd be capped out next year with two-three deep at each spot 1-3 with no front court, no draft picks, and just pretty much treading water. Would be a really bad move for them IMO.

My two cents but the deal that makes sense is Gee, Hopson, Powell, Canaan, Covington and Capela from Houston, with the NO pick and maybe a future Houston first. Everyone gets released by Boston except Capela and Canaan saving about $10M. Then either Bass or Bogans, Babb, etc. into the Houston TPE. Houston then tries to turn either Bass or Bogans+, with either future picks and/or Terrence Jones, into David West before the deadline. Not sure how Houston doesn't fall over itself trying to make that happen.

[GuyClinch]

I'd feel the same way if I was Rondo. Rondo needs to go to a team with established stars - he is in the prime of his career and is pretty much the definition of the 'extra sauce' that can take a team over the top. Houston is a nice spot for him - he will work well with Dwight Howard.

Danny made an effort to grab love and keep Rondo happy.. but when you are used to winning almost every year and are nearly a generation older then the young guys - it's not a lot of fun to play on the Cs. Who does Rondo even hang with nowadays? Bass?