Revote: Where is Evan Turner best Positioned at?

[Gomes3PC]

I don't disagree - I am just saying he's better-suited to defending more hybrid SF/SG players. When we face guys on the list above, Wallace and Green are going to have to be employed primarily to defend them, especially when you factor in that there's no great weak-side shotblocker on this roster to clean things up as a secondary line of defense.

[bucknersrevenge]

I don't disagree - I am just saying he's better-suited to defending more hybrid SF/SG players. When we face guys on the list above, Wallace and Green are going to have to be employed primarily to defend them, especially when you factor in that there's no great weak-side shotblocker on this roster to clean things up as a secondary line of defense.

On that point I cannot disagree with you at all. When you look at it that way, it would seem like a little better rim protection and we are a legit playoff contender.

[FreeDrop]

Ultimately, I'd like the starting lineup to be Rondo (PG), Smart (SG), Turner (SF), Sully (PF), Olynyk or Center to be Named Later -- Bradley off the bench. Green traded.

[Gomes3PC]

I think that's the case with a lot of teams. Unfortunately there's just not many of those guys around who can also look remotely capable on offense.

[165bows]

I'll play along. What do you get back in a deal with Dallas then?

Felton and their protected first this year.

I know his contract runs into next year but I think it gets dumped cheaply as a small expiring next summer.

I just think they really need to land the guys they want in the upcoming drafts, and short of being able to rig the lotto, having a ton of picks ensures they get the best chance at their favorites. And if no big fish show up in FA, just eat Felton's deal as they will have plenty of space. I suppose it could also be Jameer Nelson, whoever looks most washed up.

So Turner's deal is up in 2 years as well. So we trade for a worse player (or at least a player who fits the roster worse) all to get a protected first in the next draft? We have plenty of draft picks. I think under that scenario I'd rather keep the player. They have a mountain of picks for upcoming drafts they can consolidate to get guys though. I mean, if they liked a kid enough in the next draft and thought he was all that and a bag of chips and a 50 cent juice I'd be okay with consolidating 3 or 4 picks including a BK pick to move up and draft the guy. We have a ton of young talent anyway so we're obviously not going to add too much more. So let's say Danny is in love with Karl Towns or someone like that but we're too far back. I'd be okay with Danny consolidating a bunch of picks and a young player if need be to get him if Danny thought he could be a difference maker. That's what we acquired all these picks for in the first place.

I disagree on the picks issue. Once they struck out on Top-20ish level guys they went right back into pick acquisition mode. Besides Turner the only other moves they made were grabbing extra picks and trade exceptions for future deals.

IMO anyone with less than two years of team control is very available for assets with a longer time horizon.

[bucknersrevenge]

Felton and their protected first this year.

I know his contract runs into next year but I think it gets dumped cheaply as a small expiring next summer.

I just think they really need to land the guys they want in the upcoming drafts, and short of being able to rig the lotto, having a ton of picks ensures they get the best chance at their favorites. And if no big fish show up in FA, just eat Felton's deal as they will have plenty of space. I suppose it could also be Jameer Nelson, whoever looks most washed up.

So Turner's deal is up in 2 years as well. So we trade for a worse player (or at least a player who fits the roster worse) all to get a protected first in the next draft? We have plenty of draft picks. I think under that scenario I'd rather keep the player. They have a mountain of picks for upcoming drafts they can consolidate to get guys though. I mean, if they liked a kid enough in the next draft and thought he was all that and a bag of chips and a 50 cent juice I'd be okay with consolidating 3 or 4 picks including a BK pick to move up and draft the guy. We have a ton of young talent anyway so we're obviously not going to add too much more. So let's say Danny is in love with Karl Towns or someone like that but we're too far back. I'd be okay with Danny consolidating a bunch of picks and a young player if need be to get him if Danny thought he could be a difference maker. That's what we acquired all these picks for in the first place.

I disagree on the picks issue. Once they struck out on Top-20ish level guys they went right back into pick acquisition mode. Besides Turner the only other moves they made were grabbing extra picks and trade exceptions for future deals.

IMO anyone with less than two years of team control is very available for assets with a longer time horizon.

Well if Danny is about keeping his options open, what about the option that Turner could earn his way into being part of a longterm core? Or is that unlikely? I'm just speculating here mind you. I'm not completely disagreeing with your point.

[165bows]

Oh sure I don't discount the possibility. In general I like prospects that statistically contribute across the board like he has (not that he's a prospect but if we can look at him that way).

[bigdavid]

Turner is a bargain at under 3 million a year. He is an accomplished player that can play 3 positions and rebound.
Why look to trade him. The Celts made a good deal.

[Slartibartfast]

Oh sure I don't discount the possibility. In general I like prospects that statistically contribute across the board like he has (not that he's a prospect but if we can look at him that way).

He's near 26, so this sounds a little silly coming off my keyboard but 5th year jumps can happen. DeRozan had a 5ppg upswing in his 5th year, and near doubled his apg.

[Parliament10]

Turner is a bargain at under 3 million a year. He is an accomplished player that can play 3 positions and rebound.
Why look to trade him. The Celts made a good deal.

3+ mil/yr, that's a heck of deal. So far, he's doing real well. Hard to think that he wouldn't be worth keeping.

[BadWolf]

Turner proved in his four years that he's a marginal player. I see no point of having him on the rebuilding team. And he's just not good enough for a contender. End of bench is where he fits best.

[darrendaye]

As the roster is constructed, I think reserve 3 is where he fits best. You can surely lay out 2 dozen SFs who would "abuse" him, but these are starting SFs. He's getting starting gigs in preseason because Green hasn't been available. I think you first need to recognize this before rendering a projection.

[Tenbomber]

As the roster is constructed, I think reserve 3 is where he fits best. You can surely lay out 2 dozen SFs who would "abuse" him, but these are starting SFs. He's getting starting gigs in preseason because Green hasn't been available. I think you first need to recognize this before rendering a projection.

I'm liking this guy allot Darren...I put him perhaps one peg ahead of that projection?

I see him as filling the Paul Pierce role when it comes to crunch time...I know, that's pretty lofty territory...but he is a young player still...

He seems well aware that this team needs a team leader and he seems willing to take those big shots when needed...

He may not be the starter when Green is around....but, playing all three positions as needed, I think he will be a terrific sixth man....

[cloverleaf]

As the roster is constructed, I think reserve 3 is where he fits best. You can surely lay out 2 dozen SFs who would "abuse" him, but these are starting SFs. He's getting starting gigs in preseason because Green hasn't been available. I think you first need to recognize this before rendering a projection.

Yep, with Rondo back I'd expect Turner to be Green's backup--and to do quite well in that role. They could well split 48 minutes evenly, at least until Green proves he deserves more time. Between Green and Rondo's return, I could also see Turner challenging Smart at starting PG. Smart could well slip back to the second PG off the bench, with Pressey losing out.

[sully00]

Turner proved in his four years that he's a marginal player. I see no point of having him on the rebuilding team. And he's just not good enough for a contender. End of bench is where he fits best.

Not feeling this at all. Tuner got to prove his first 3 years he wasn't Ray Allen. He is a versatile and talented player but not really a flexible player his strengths are strengths and his weaknesses are those too. His biggest problem was that he played with another guy who had the exact same skill set in Iguodala and there is only one basketball.

I don't think Turner is quite as good as Iguodala but in 3/4 of a season he did a pretty good impression when he got a hold of that role. Conversely now we see what Iguodala looks like without the ball in his hands over the last two seasons. Still a valuable role player but not worth his check.

This team is currently at a crossroads roster wise. Since Danny Ainge took over this team they have talked about being a transition basketball team. Everyone has said how great a transition player Rondo would be if the team had the roster and instincts to run. Now almost all of the useful veteran talent on this team is suited to the running game.

Evan Turner, Jeff Green and Marcus Thornton are perfectly suited to play an up quick game. So are Bradley, Olynyk and Zeller. While Sully isn't an obvious fit he is a very good defensive rebounder and outlet passer who is developing into the guy who can fire the straight away trailer 3 against the collapsed defense and to be the go to guy in the half court when you need a hoop.

I think this is going to drive some crazy but I think this team is far more focused on trying to win now and be a competitive team with interesting assets than it is being a 25-30 win team. That is going to mean playing Turner, Thornton, and Bass more and the young guys less.

I have no misconceptions about this I would imagine the plan is to try and ride these guys and deal them off for assets that they can either package together or grow with at the deadline. Failing that they can become the landing spot for other players in a similar situation as Turner, a talented but flawed player whose at a crossroads of being a starter or a role player. I am not saying I think these guys hang a banner as much as they make a fun and competitive team.

I think we will see a lot of Turner at the 3 with Green at the 4 and Rondo will get his chance to prove he is another Jason Kidd. But more important than position is that I think Stevens will focus on putting Tuner, Thornton and Green in a role that allows them to succeed. Something that hasn't necessarily been the focus of the team's either of the 3 have been playing on over the last couple of years.

[BadWolf]

Not really sure what you've been watching but two teams decided he's not worth the problem. He's inefficient, needs the ball in his hands to have an influence on the game, bad shooter, very overrated defender and a problem in the locker room (and on the floor when unhappy). What you wish he is is an ideal replacement for Lance, yet pacers dumped him as soon as they could.

[ballup]

The Sixers were having a fire sale of any player with some interest at the time and the Pacers were already a self destructive time bomb when Turner was traded to them. Not really fair to declare Turner as a bad seed because he didn't pan out in those circumstances.

[Parliament10]

Turner proved in his four years that he's a marginal player. I see no point of having him on the rebuilding team. And he's just not good enough for a contender. End of bench is where he fits best.

Marginal? No way. He's a quality backup at 3 positions. He's in the right place. We need to keep him.

[timpiker]

Not sure why for the Turner hate because I think he's got a good chance of being our crunch time player.

[Valid]

Turner proved in his four years that he's a marginal player. I see no point of having him on the rebuilding team. And he's just not good enough for a contender. End of bench is where he fits best.

Not feeling this at all. Tuner got to prove his first 3 years he wasn't Ray Allen. He is a versatile and talented player but not really a flexible player his strengths are strengths and his weaknesses are those too. His biggest problem was that he played with another guy who had the exact same skill set in Iguodala and there is only one basketball.

I don't think Turner is quite as good as Iguodala but in 3/4 of a season he did a pretty good impression when he got a hold of that role. Conversely now we see what Iguodala looks like without the ball in his hands over the last two seasons. Still a valuable role player but not worth his check.

Except Iguodala is an elite defender and Turner is...not.

Sorry, but I can't get down with the Turner/Iguodala comparison at all. Iguodala has great value as a defensive stopper alone, and his perimeter jumper is at least bearable. Sure, the book on Iguodala is that he can't shoot, but he has a career TS% of 55.1 percent. Turner's is 48.5 percent.

I personally think some of the excuses being made for Turner are ridiculous.

"He was on a bad team."

"He was in a bad system."

"He was in a bad locker room."

"He was playing with someone who had the same skillset."

The fact of the matter is that if Turner were any good in his first four seasons, none of that should have mattered. Would it have hindered his performance a bit? Sure, but not enough to post the kinds of paltry efficiency numbers he did, and as far as I'm concerned, the system and Iguodala should have had no ill effects on his defense at all. As a matter of fact, Iggy's presence should have helped him defensively.

I'm really rooting for the dude because he has an incredible and heartbreaking life story, but I'm just calling it how I see it. He has not been a good NBA player thus far in his career regardless of all of the extenuating circumstances everyone keeps coming up with here to excuse his poor production.