Check Mate for the Brooklyn Nyets...thank you Sam Presti

[FreeDrop]

I wonder if nets will go in the tank the rest of the season to get their last draft pick for awhile, then try to retool on the fly this summer.

[Dave_From_NB]

I wonder if nets will go in the tank the rest of the season to get their last draft pick for awhile, then try to retool on the fly this summer.

Atlanta has the right to swap firsts with the Nets this draft.

[165bows]

They've gone something like 10-20 since the middle of December. They are a terrible shooting team (27th in 3PT%) and one of the least athletic teams in the league.

It's fair to assume this team will be bottom 10 (if not bottom 5) next year without either great luck this off-season or a huge contract push from Lopez (not likely but he seems like a guy with fluctuating motivation).

Adding Thad Young was better than I thought they would do but he's been playing on a terrible MIN team, and doesn't help their shooting woes a bit.

[sully00]

I half expect King to be fired today that was a disaster. Lopez is so gone it isn't funny, he is 7' tall and can score and in theory can rebound so he will get another contract but he is miserable in BRK right now. He had to be moved for a young player or a draft pick and some salary relief would have made sense.

The only thing worse than having Deron Williams on your team making 21 mil is Thad Young on a 10 mil player option. The dude has been terrible this season. He doesn't rebound, defend, or shoot 3's but other than that he is great. He is not opting out and even if he was BRK can't get under the cap they can only get to the cap if Lopez and Young bolt. Young will be the type of guy you have to attach a pick to more next year and BRK took him for free.

They might have saved a couple of bucks on the KG deal but what a disaster. If your going to take on Young's 10 mil for next year why not take on Stephenson's 9 mil for next year in exchange for Lopez or Johnson and get a draft pick? What the hell?

[sam_I_am]

King gets fired anyway as team is up for sale. Will anyone pay Lopez 16 mil? I don't think he opts out.

[sully00]

King gets fired anyway as team is up for sale. Will anyone pay Lopez 16 mil? I don't think he opts out.

Yes because the same caliber of player is going to cost 22-27 mil dollars the next year. To put it into scale paying Lopez 4 years 65 mil is going to be like paying him 10 mil a year right now. The irony with Lopez is that he is the guy you don't want Bird Rights on because you don't want give him the higher raises or the extra year. The only question is whether Lopez wants to roll the dice on a healthy effective season and try and cash in on a 90 mil cap of course there may well be a lock out between now and then.

[Bluewhale]

If Brook Lopez stayed healthy from now to end of season, he will option out for SURE.

Why? He is not an iron-man at all. Lopez played only 5, 74, 17 games in 12/13/14 season. What if he got injured AGAIN in 2015-16 season? That will be a HUGE blow in his next contract.

So if Lopez stayed healthy this season, he will option out then resign another 4 year guarantee contract, to protect himself from injury risk.

[2Mas]

Really interesting story emerging from this trade deadline that I got from reading the Nets blog.

Apparantly, as was rumored a few weeks back OKC and Brooklyn had a deal in place with the principles being Lopez for Jackson. Apparantly, King walked from the deal at the last second hoping to extract more assets from Presti closer to the deadline. A rightfully irked Presti continued to give King the impression that OKC was still willing to do the original deal right up until the trade deadline and then pulled off a complex deal for Kanter at the last second leaving a surprised King (who didn't have a backup plan) not enough time to find another deal for Lopez who is now expected to opt out after this season.

Although this doesn't seem like a huge deal, it could have giant implications for the Celtics. Lopez was by far Brooklyn's best player (19.86 PER this season) when healthy and since Brooklyn is well over the cap they will not be able to replace his salary with anyone else in free agency when he walks this off season. With the rest of their players in decline and having no trade value (except Plumlee), this should turn Brooklyn from a potentially bad team to a horrific team next season with no way out. The fact that they traded Garnett for a declining Thad Young will only compound the problem as KG at the very least would have provided them with a stabilizing locker room presence that will be tested early and often under the pressures of the bright lights of NY.

I now expect Brooklyn to finish with a bottom three record next season in a draft loaded with superstar potential up top...and we will be able to rinse and repeat the process for 2017 and 2018 as well.

These Brooklyn picks just turned from silver to absolute gold Celtics fans...enjoy the show guys!

Turned into gold? Dude, def disagree. BK got better. BK's biggest issue is that their old slow playing half-fast.

I don't think this made BK a serious playoff team, but it made them better. Young can guard the 4 better than KG (so sad to say that) & will be better on offense.

I don't think the BK picks are gonna be that good. Like whoever else said, they're gonna be a bottom playoff team next year too. They're too good to suck, but not cohesive enough to do anything. It's gonna be like around the 12th pick next year. & By 2018, they'll be rebuilt.

Not that a free 12th pick isn't good. That's awesome, but it's not the "gold" your calling it.

[Froob]

I still find it hard to believe Presti offered Reggie Jackson 12 a year. Absolutely insane offer for him.

People are in for lots and lots of sticker shock with any contract signed over the next couple of offseasons.

Yup...Hindsight 20/20...Bradley is a bargain. I know our backcourt isn't elite, but they are a pretty damn good 3 guard rotation at a bargain basement price for 4 years

Lowry got 4 years 48 mill the same deal Reggie turned down. What the actual ****?

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I half expect King to be fired today that was a disaster.

From what I read on the Nets board, King is safe until Prok sells the team. Reason is that that it makes no sense firing King now and hiring a new GM, because it's likely that the new owners will want to bring in their choice of GM.

[mwhis21]

Really interesting story emerging from this trade deadline that I got from reading the Nets blog.

Apparantly, as was rumored a few weeks back OKC and Brooklyn had a deal in place with the principles being Lopez for Jackson. Apparantly, King walked from the deal at the last second hoping to extract more assets from Presti closer to the deadline. A rightfully irked Presti continued to give King the impression that OKC was still willing to do the original deal right up until the trade deadline and then pulled off a complex deal for Kanter at the last second leaving a surprised King (who didn't have a backup plan) not enough time to find another deal for Lopez who is now expected to opt out after this season.

Although this doesn't seem like a huge deal, it could have giant implications for the Celtics. Lopez was by far Brooklyn's best player (19.86 PER this season) when healthy and since Brooklyn is well over the cap they will not be able to replace his salary with anyone else in free agency when he walks this off season. With the rest of their players in decline and having no trade value (except Plumlee), this should turn Brooklyn from a potentially bad team to a horrific team next season with no way out. The fact that they traded Garnett for a declining Thad Young will only compound the problem as KG at the very least would have provided them with a stabilizing locker room presence that will be tested early and often under the pressures of the bright lights of NY.

I now expect Brooklyn to finish with a bottom three record next season in a draft loaded with superstar potential up top...and we will be able to rinse and repeat the process for 2017 and 2018 as well.

These Brooklyn picks just turned from silver to absolute gold Celtics fans...enjoy the show guys!

Turned into gold? Dude, def disagree. BK got better. BK's biggest issue is that their old slow playing half-fast.

I don't think this made BK a serious playoff team, but it made them better. Young can guard the 4 better than KG (so sad to say that) & will be better on offense.

I don't think the BK picks are gonna be that good. Like whoever else said, they're gonna be a bottom playoff team next year too. They're too good to suck, but not cohesive enough to do anything. It's gonna be like around the 12th pick next year. & By 2018, they'll be rebuilt.

Not that a free 12th pick isn't good. That's awesome, but it's not the "gold" your calling it.

What gives you the impression that they'll be a playoff team next year? I'm not saying they won't be, but they're not even a playoff team now. They stand a real chance of losing Lopez for nothing, have no money to replace him, and their "stars" are going to be another year older. It's pretty much a given that Williams will miss time with an injury, and Joe Johnson is middling at this point in his career. Not to mention the state of the team is in flux.

Their pick can just as easy be Top 8 as it can be 10-15.

Thad Young isn't going to be the difference between making the playoffs, and not making the playoffs. I suspect the East will be a little tougher next year as well, as it's at it's all time easiest right now.

[2Mas]

Turned into gold? Dude, def disagree. BK got better. BK's biggest issue is that their old slow playing half-fast.

I don't think this made BK a serious playoff team, but it made them better. Young can guard the 4 better than KG (so sad to say that) & will be better on offense.

I don't think the BK picks are gonna be that good. Like whoever else said, they're gonna be a bottom playoff team next year too. They're too good to suck, but not cohesive enough to do anything. It's gonna be like around the 12th pick next year. & By 2018, they'll be rebuilt.

Not that a free 12th pick isn't good. That's awesome, but it's not the "gold" your calling it.

What gives you the impression that they'll be a playoff team next year? I'm not saying they won't be, but they're not even a playoff team now. They stand a real chance of losing Lopez for nothing, have no money to replace him, and their "stars" are going to be another year older. It's pretty much a given that Williams will miss time with an injury, and Joe Johnson is middling at this point in his career. Not to mention the state of the team is in flux.

Their pick can just as easy be Top 8 as it can be 10-15.

Thad Young isn't going to be the difference between making the playoffs, and not making the playoffs. I suspect the East will be a little tougher next year as well, as it's at it's all time easiest right now.

Didn't mean playoffs. Meant fighting for a bottom seed, like this year basically. They're gonna basically have the same team. I did say 12th-ish in the draft so that implies them missing the playoffs.

But I just meant that tier of (low playoff team in range to 10th seed ish). That area you know what I mean? Yeah I shouldn't of said "playoff team" shoulda made that "fighting for a bottom playoff seed". Sorry my mistake.

& For the record I really don't think they do make the playoffs lol. Unless, JJ & Brook are shipped out as expirings? Who knows man. The NBA is just all sorts of whacky now a days.

[mwhis21]

Turned into gold? Dude, def disagree. BK got better. BK's biggest issue is that their old slow playing half-fast.

I don't think this made BK a serious playoff team, but it made them better. Young can guard the 4 better than KG (so sad to say that) & will be better on offense.

I don't think the BK picks are gonna be that good. Like whoever else said, they're gonna be a bottom playoff team next year too. They're too good to suck, but not cohesive enough to do anything. It's gonna be like around the 12th pick next year. & By 2018, they'll be rebuilt.

Not that a free 12th pick isn't good. That's awesome, but it's not the "gold" your calling it.

What gives you the impression that they'll be a playoff team next year? I'm not saying they won't be, but they're not even a playoff team now. They stand a real chance of losing Lopez for nothing, have no money to replace him, and their "stars" are going to be another year older. It's pretty much a given that Williams will miss time with an injury, and Joe Johnson is middling at this point in his career. Not to mention the state of the team is in flux.

Their pick can just as easy be Top 8 as it can be 10-15.

Thad Young isn't going to be the difference between making the playoffs, and not making the playoffs. I suspect the East will be a little tougher next year as well, as it's at it's all time easiest right now.

Didn't mean playoffs. Meant fighting for a bottom seed, like this year basically. They're gonna basically have the same team. I did say 12th-ish in the draft so that implies them missing the playoffs.

But I just meant that tier of (low playoff team in range to 10th seed ish). That area you know what I mean? Yeah I shouldn't of said "playoff team" shoulda made that "fighting for a bottom playoff seed". Sorry my mistake.

& For the record I really don't think they do make the playoffs lol. Unless, JJ & Brook are shipped out as expirings? Who knows man. The NBA is just all sorts of whacky now a days.

lol I hear ya---it's a weird time in the NBA for sure. The EAST is really bad, but that balance of power has to shift at some point. I'm hoping that 1 of the three picks we have coming 2016, 18, or the swap years ends up in the Top5, or Top 8...but either way I think the deal was an homerun. At least when I put emotion aside.

I'm actually excited for free agency too---I really think that DA is going balls deep for either Butler or Leonard, and maybe someone like Jordan. Then we have the trove of picks to potentially not just depth, but quality to a quality core. That would be awesome.

[peachbucket]

Turned into gold? Dude, def disagree. BK got better. BK's biggest issue is that their old slow playing half-fast.

I don't think this made BK a serious playoff team, but it made them better. Young can guard the 4 better than KG (so sad to say that) & will be better on offense.

I don't think the BK picks are gonna be that good. Like whoever else said, they're gonna be a bottom playoff team next year too. They're too good to suck, but not cohesive enough to do anything. It's gonna be like around the 12th pick next year. & By 2018, they'll be rebuilt.

Not that a free 12th pick isn't good. That's awesome, but it's not the "gold" your calling it.

1. Young is a 6' 7" small forward playing out of position at the PF spot where he gets abused by NBA bigs.
2. Keving Garnett is still a much better defensive player than Young by any defensive metric or eye test and it's really not debatable. (Garnett only plays 20 minutes a night but that's another story)
3. Young does not make BK a fast breaking team.

What this trade does is make Brooklyn's interior defense and rebounding, which are already two major weaknesses even worse.

Not sure you read my post, but the real point of the thread was what the effect will be of Lopez walking at the end of the season...there is no way that team wins more than 25 games next year without Garnett and Lopez on that roster.

[cl2117]

Really interesting story emerging from this trade deadline that I got from reading the Nets blog.

Apparantly, as was rumored a few weeks back OKC and Brooklyn had a deal in place with the principles being Lopez for Jackson. Apparantly, King walked from the deal at the last second hoping to extract more assets from Presti closer to the deadline. A rightfully irked Presti continued to give King the impression that OKC was still willing to do the original deal right up until the trade deadline and then pulled off a complex deal for Kanter at the last second leaving a surprised King (who didn't have a backup plan) not enough time to find another deal for Lopez who is now expected to opt out after this season.

Although this doesn't seem like a huge deal, it could have giant implications for the Celtics. Lopez was by far Brooklyn's best player (19.86 PER this season) when healthy and since Brooklyn is well over the cap they will not be able to replace his salary with anyone else in free agency when he walks this off season. With the rest of their players in decline and having no trade value (except Plumlee), this should turn Brooklyn from a potentially bad team to a horrific team next season with no way out. The fact that they traded Garnett for a declining Thad Young will only compound the problem as KG at the very least would have provided them with a stabilizing locker room presence that will be tested early and often under the pressures of the bright lights of NY.

I now expect Brooklyn to finish with a bottom three record next season in a draft loaded with superstar potential up top...and we will be able to rinse and repeat the process for 2017 and 2018 as well.

These Brooklyn picks just turned from silver to absolute gold Celtics fans...enjoy the show guys!

Can you link me the Nets blog post you got this story from? Mentioned it to a Nets fan and they said King didn't walk away, it was Presti who held off on pulling the trigger.

[peachbucket]

Really interesting story emerging from this trade deadline that I got from reading the Nets blog.

Apparantly, as was rumored a few weeks back OKC and Brooklyn had a deal in place with the principles being Lopez for Jackson. Apparantly, King walked from the deal at the last second hoping to extract more assets from Presti closer to the deadline. A rightfully irked Presti continued to give King the impression that OKC was still willing to do the original deal right up until the trade deadline and then pulled off a complex deal for Kanter at the last second leaving a surprised King (who didn't have a backup plan) not enough time to find another deal for Lopez who is now expected to opt out after this season.

Although this doesn't seem like a huge deal, it could have giant implications for the Celtics. Lopez was by far Brooklyn's best player (19.86 PER this season) when healthy and since Brooklyn is well over the cap they will not be able to replace his salary with anyone else in free agency when he walks this off season. With the rest of their players in decline and having no trade value (except Plumlee), this should turn Brooklyn from a potentially bad team to a horrific team next season with no way out. The fact that they traded Garnett for a declining Thad Young will only compound the problem as KG at the very least would have provided them with a stabilizing locker room presence that will be tested early and often under the pressures of the bright lights of NY.

I now expect Brooklyn to finish with a bottom three record next season in a draft loaded with superstar potential up top...and we will be able to rinse and repeat the process for 2017 and 2018 as well.

These Brooklyn picks just turned from silver to absolute gold Celtics fans...enjoy the show guys!

Can you link me the Nets blog post you got this story from? Mentioned it to a Nets fan and they said King didn't walk away, it was Presti who held off on pulling the trigger.

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It goes for a few pages. Reading that makes you feel really bad for some of those Nets fans...like C's fans they are knowledgeable diehards and realize there is no hope for the better part of the coming decade. Almost makes you want to put a late second round pick in their plastic cup.