The (Quadruple) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 4.0)

jirrit · Post #21 » by **jirrit** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:00 am

A-Win-Win wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j7xaehk

NYK: Nets 17' and 18' 1st's via BOS + Expiring/Filler Contracts
BOS: Demarcus Cousins (sign and trade)
SAC: Kevin Love, Derrick Rose (5 yr sign and trade 3rd yr team option), Jaylen Brown (via BOS)
CLE: Anthony, Jennings, Kelly Olynyk (via BOS), Ska Labissiere (Via Sac)

What do you think?

The Knicks get BKN 17 and 18 outta Anthony, Rose & Jennings and your name is win-win? LOL

ConstableGeneva · Post #22 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:03 am

Knicks fan trolling us with a dumbass trade proposal. This thread is off to a fabulous start!

Ed Pinkney · Post #23 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:54 am

Parliament10 wrote:Boston Celtics eyeing Orlando Magic’s Nikola Vucevic
by Ryan Doyle | Fri. 01-27-17

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2017/01/27/orlando-magic-rumors-boston-celtics-eyeing-nikola-vucevic/
For the Magic, this trade could send them back to a state of rebuild. Vucevic is one of the team’s best players. Getting rid of him could also lead to moving on from guys like Serge Ibaka and D.J. Augustin.

In all likelihood, the Magic will trade Vucevic for some young players and expiring contracts. The Magic could be receiving guys like Terry Rozier, Amir Johnson or Jonas Jerekbo.

Obviously, they are not the type of players that the Magic are going to build around.

Our Zach Palmer posed a trade with the Celtics that involved Vucevic a few days ago in a OrlandoMagicDaily.com round table post.

It sent Vucevic and C.J. Watson to Boston for Amir Johnson, Demetrius Jackson and Guerschon Yabusele. This is the kind of trade to expect if Vucevic gets sent to Boston. An expiring contract and two developmental players that could make an impact down the road.

Hmmm. Amir, and youth.
Make it happen, Danny.

I would prefer it was Zeller over Amir. He hasn't been good this season, but when his body is right Amir is pretty much the only reliable defensive big other than Horford. He also seems like a really good locker room presence.

Vucevic is solid and fills some team needs, plus he is only making like $12.5 million for the next two seasons after this one (with no options by the look of it). That is a very good contract for what he can do, regardless of his deficiencies. It also does not make all the cap room disappear either.

Zeller, Young/Mickey and a future first?

Avalanche · Post #24 » by **Avalanche** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:59 am

Have been on board with pursuing Vuc for a while. Would improve our front court significantly and we'd keep all the important assets.

Right age bracket, good value contract and he would make a massive difference to our rebounding issues single handedly

Bohemian · Post #25 » by **Bohemian** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:04 am

IMO Vucevic would be the best for a big:

1. He is a rebounding 5, offensively he is excellent
2. HIs D has improved
3. His contract (unlike Noel or Ibaka, he won´t be a FA this summer and his contract is quite affordable)
4. The Magic seem to be spiralling down and Vuc could be had for not so much (Orl offered him and a 1st for Dragic, it seems)
5. Unlike Sanders, he seems to have a more stable mind

Do it Danny

cedric76 · Post #26 » by **cedric76** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:13 pm

Bohemian wrote:IMO Vucevic would be the best for a big:

1. He is a rebounding 5, offensively he is excellent
2. HIs D has improved
3. His contract (unlike Noel or Ibaka, he won´t be a FA this summer and his contract is quite affordable)
4. The Magic seem to be spiralling down and Vuc could be had for not so much (Orl offered him and a 1st for Dragic, it seems)
5. Unlike Sanders, he seems to have a more stable mind

Do it Danny

I really hope vuc isn't traded to you guys, would be a steal. Great contract, great age, can score , rebound and his defence is very very under rated. He doesn't block many shots but he is rarely out of position.
Our guards do a poorly job defensively so he get exposed but with the way you play D, he would do a great job.

On top of that he is a great guy and hard worker, he is a keeper

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Fencer reregistered · Post #27 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:17 pm

A legitimate starting center for cheap -- what's not to like about the idea?

That said -- why does Orlando want to trade him?

Post #28 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:41 pm

Why the **** do people want to sacrifice our ability to offer a max contract this offseason for Nic Vucevic? Are people serious?

aim2please · Post #29 » by **aim2please** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:55 pm

What probably happened. Orlando called, can we have Bradley for Vucevic? Ainge said hell no. Blakely: Boston talked with Orlando about Vucevic.

Vucevic solves zero problems we have. He's a good player for fantasy basketball. This sums him up pretty well. I'll just add that he hates contact, lowest FT rate for a big guy in the league.

Spoiler:

Cornbread · Post #30 » by **Cornbread** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:58 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Why the **** do people want to sacrifice our ability to offer a max contract this offseason for Nic Vucevic? Are people serious?

I'm not a big fan of Vucevic, but he would not stop the Celtics from being able to sign a max free agent. His contract is an incredibly movable asset. You could just dump him this summer if needed.

Post #31 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:06 pm

Cornbread wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Why the **** do people want to sacrifice our ability to offer a max contract this offseason for Nic Vucevic? Are people serious?

I'm not a big fan of Vucevic, but he would not stop the Celtics from being able to sign a max free agent. His contract is an incredibly movable asset. You could just dump him this summer if needed.

So you want to pay to acquire someone for 36 games, and then pay to dump him? Why would we do that in a year where we're obviously not winning the title? That's just wasting assets.

I know you're not arguing for it, but I don't get why some people are fascinated with wasting future assets for a gain for 36 games that wouldn't make us any more competitive with Cleveland. It's just nuts to me.

ThirtyFour · Post #32 » by **ThirtyFour** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:12 pm

Vuc trade could clear enough roster space to sign Sanders.

Ed Pinkney · Post #33 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:19 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Why the **** do people want to sacrifice our ability to offer a max contract this offseason for Nic Vucevic? Are people serious?

He is a good player who fills a need and might be obtainable without giving up any premium assets. What max contract players are even remotely a possibility? Hayward? Griffin? I don't see either of them leaving their current teams, the rest of the free agent class is a pretty ugly list.

jirrit · Post #34 » by **jirrit** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:20 pm

What's a realistic asking price for ORL?

Post #35 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:28 pm

Ed Pinkney wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Why the **** do people want to sacrifice our ability to offer a max contract this offseason for Nic Vucevic? Are people serious?

He is a good player who fills a need and might be obtainable without giving up any premium assets. What max contract players are even remotely a possibility? Hayward? Griffin? I don't see either of them leaving their current teams, the rest of the free agent class is a pretty ugly list.

1) For all the reasons people like him, Orlando isn't going to give him away. They need long term assets badly.

2) Hayward, Milsap, Otto Porter, Noel, Gallo, Ibaka, George Hill, KCP. I'd take any of these guys over paying future picks to clog up our cap space with Vuc.

FlatearthZorro · Post #36 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:35 pm

Willie Reed anybody? He's been balling, I bet the Heat wont ask for too much, cause their tank is falling apart, they need to act quickly.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #37 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:37 pm

Windhorst is reporting that the Cavs would be willing to part with Love for Melo if New York adds more, preferably another big man. Hmmmmm.......

Post #38 » by **Parliament10** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:37 pm

Ed Pinkney wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Why the **** do people want to sacrifice our ability to offer a max contract this offseason for Nic Vucevic? Are people serious?

He is a good player who fills a need and might be obtainable without giving up any premium assets. What max contract players are even remotely a possibility? Hayward? Griffin? I don't see either of them leaving their current teams, the rest of the free agent class is a pretty ugly list.

Exactly.

We don't need another stinking Max Contract. If one is even available.
Re-up our Core players. Give them that money. Stick with what we got.

Bring in the Rebounders, Yes.
Maximum Contract?: Hell No.

TRADE DEADLINE
Thomas / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Green
Crowder / Brown / (10-Day Contracts = Nader and/or Jalen Jones)
Horford / Jerebko / Mickey
Vučević / Nurkić / Olynyk

2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / Rozier / Fultz / Two-Way Contract
Bradley / Smart / Green
Brown / Crowder / Nader
Horford / Olynyk / Jerebko
Vučević / Nurkić - / Žižić --- / Mickey = Two-Way Contract

1-3 Year Players are eligible for Two-Way Contracts:
Mickey can go on a Two-Way Contract, if his non-guaranteed is waived.

chrisab123 · Post #39 » by **chrisab123** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:38 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Ed Pinkney wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Why the **** do people want to sacrifice our ability to offer a max contract this offseason for Nic Vucevic? Are people serious?

He is a good player who fills a need and might be obtainable without giving up any premium assets. What max contract players are even remotely a possibility? Hayward? Griffin? I don't see either of them leaving their current teams, the rest of the free agent class is a pretty ugly list.

1) For all the reasons people like him, Orlando isn't going to give him away. They need long term assets badly.

2) Hayward, Milsap, Otto Porter, Noel, Gallo, Ibaka, George Hill, KCP. I'd take any of these guys over paying future picks to clog up our cap space with Vuc.

You would take any of those guys at a max deal or close to it over Vuc? Hayward sure and Milsap if the years are short but the rest?? No thanks. Why would Boston be interested in George Hill?

FlatearthZorro · Post #40 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:41 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Windhorst is reporting that the Cavs would be willing to part with Love for Melo if New York adds more, preferably another big man. Hmmmmm.......

O'Quinn. I feel like LeBron is about to play himself. Both Love and Melo aren't good defenders, but Love is a lot more skilled and efficient when it comes to offensive skills- rebounding, passing and scoring. I'd sneak in to get Love somehow, would be really foolish to keep both Love and Porzingis for the Knicks as their frontcourt will be softer than a tissue.