Eaves: C's felt Fultz was NOT the best prospect

[OldCeltics]

Celtics draft evaluation sucks. They will draft a SF that can't shoot, a backup role player, over a game changing 25ppg all-star guard.

Wrong. Fultz may put up empty stats on a losing philly team next year, that doesnt make him an sll star guard.

Fultz may have thought Celtics drafting him was a given, and maybe didn't show up for his workout with the Cs, but Magic thought his workout with Lakers was exceptional, so did Philly. All the scouts project this kid to be a super star, with a floor of an all-star in a few years.

[Fencer reregistered]

I still don't get why we are building around IT. Great scorer but dominates the ball and can't defend. In the playoffs he gets shut down. Maybe they think rozier is the heir apparent but we still ahve a small backcourt. I hope to god Danny got this right because if fultz turns out to be the player that everyone else thinks he will be , we're going to look back on this as the moment we effed up. And please don't trade number 3 AND next's year brooklyn pick for butler. I'd be happy at this stage moving 3 to sactown for 5 and 10 and taking monk and collins. at least they fill needs we have. I like Jackson's motor but is danny really going to draft another guy who can't shoot? How does Jackson solve any of our needs? I get that he's versatile and can defend a bunch of positions and that he has a good motor but haven't we drafted enough of those guys? don't we need some guys with actual basketball skills? you know dribbling and shooting?

Yeah. After the first 53 points he's too exhausted to produce any more.

[Scoonie]

I like Jackson's motor but is danny really going to draft another guy who can't shoot? How does Jackson solve any of our needs? I get that he's versatile and can defend a bunch of positions and that he has a good motor but haven't we drafted enough of those guys? don't we need some guys with actual basketball skills? you know dribbling and shooting?

This. It's so strange that a guy like Danny Ainge who made his NBA career as a shooter has such a preference towards defensive players who can't shoot.

[Ben-N1ce]

Harden isn't Explosive.. He sucks. Fultz was basically dribbling to FT line distance dunks in high school. Tatum is a wet firecracker if Fultz isn't considered explosive by their scouts.

[Murta]

I wonder if Patriots Scouts watch the film or look at a combine score... This is BS. They scout these players for years and a workout ain't changing that.

The Patriots and the 3-cone drill, the one NFL Combine test that seems to win over Bill Belichick

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Celtics draft evaluation sucks. They will draft a SF that can't shoot, a backup role player, over a game changing 25ppg all-star guard.

Wrong. Fultz may put up empty stats on a losing philly team next year, that doesnt make him an sll star guard.

Fultz may have thought Celtics drafting him was a given, and maybe didn't show up for his workout with the Cs, but Magic thought his workout with Lakers was exceptional, so did Philly. All the scouts project this kid to be a super star, with a floor of an all-star in a few years.

You obviously didn't watch his philly workout all the way through. He was dreadful with nobody even guarding him.

[jmr07019]

I've said it before... GM's don't get paid to go with the consensus, they get paid to be right. This is going against the consensus big time. I'm happy our front office believes in their own evaluation instead of going with the consensus. They better be right though

[Romeiro Celtic]

I feel that Ainge does not see a huge difference between the top 3 PG prospects today in Fultz, Ball and Fox. Of course the playstyle changes but maybe the potential and pros and cons are balanced between them, maybe that's why he traded down to the number 3 pick.

[Ben-N1ce]

I wonder if Patriots Scouts watch the film or look at a combine score... This is BS. They scout these players for years and a workout ain't changing that.

The Patriots and the 3-cone drill, the one NFL Combine test that seems to win over Bill Belichick

And they blow at drafting DBs and WR...hmmm

[AgentGreen]

I stated this flaw many times and i'm glad that our front office has seen this issue as well. The kid doesnt have a motor. Plus the workout video with Philly confirmed it as well. Which was quite painfull to watch.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

I stated this flaw many times and i'm glad that our front office has seen this issue as well. The kid doesnt have a motor. Plus the workout video with Philly confirmed it as well. Which was quite painfull to watch.

Rudy gay, at best....at best and thats still saying alot

[liveod]

Here we are saying we won't draft Fultz because he's not explosive. Yet, they haven't worked out Tatum or Jackson and it appears they'll draft one of those two. Uhhhhhh

[jfs1000d]

Ainge sucks drafting?

Why? Because he passed on Giannis? I reject this. He found Sullinger, Rondo, Jefferson after pick 15.

Ainge and the talent evaluators are fine.

[jfs1000d]

Here we are saying we won't draft Fultz because he's not explosive. Yet, they haven't worked out Tatum or Jackson and it appears they'll draft one of those two. Uhhhhhh

We've worked out Tatum. Jackson, they want to get him in, there is little doubt he is explosive though.

[Froob]

I stated this flaw many times and i'm glad that our front office has seen this issue as well. The kid doesnt have a motor. Plus the workout video with Philly confirmed it as well. Which was quite painfull to watch.

Rudy gay, at best....at best and thats still saying alot

Wouldn't his college tape be more important?

[CptCrunch]

Heres the thing. There isn't a significant drop off from Fultz. Depending what you already have on your roster. The problem is Jackson is a clone of Brown, slightly better but same type of player. Crowder is the same type of player as both of them. So is Smart. Right now 4 of your players under contract or going to be drafted are in a sense the same damn player. One might be more explosive than the other but same player. Where does the scoring and rebounding come from if the team fails to get Hayward/Griffin? At some point one of these uber defenders that struggle to shoot need to develop a jump shot.

Jackson is a lot better than Brown as a prospect. Based on Chad Ford's survey of NBA GM tier list that gets published every year, Brown will be drafted as a 12-14 pick if both years were combined.

But I do agree that the drop off from Fultz is not that large. Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson are my top 4 in that order, which seems to be the top 4 according to most NBA front offices based on Twitter rumors.

[chrisab123]

Heres the thing. There isn't a significant drop off from Fultz. Depending what you already have on your roster. The problem is Jackson is a clone of Brown, slightly better but same type of player. Crowder is the same type of player as both of them. So is Smart. Right now 4 of your players under contract or going to be drafted are in a sense the same damn player. One might be more explosive than the other but same player. Where does the scoring and rebounding come from if the team fails to get Hayward/Griffin? At some point one of these uber defenders that struggle to shoot need to develop a jump shot.

Jackson is a lot better than Brown as a prospect. Based on Chad Ford's survey of NBA GM tier list that gets published every year, Brown will be drafted as a 12-14 pick if both years were combined.

But I do agree that the drop off from Fultz is not that large. Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson are my top 4 in that order, which seems to be the top 4 according to most NBA front offices based on Twitter rumors.

True but he's the same type of player. He's a better version of Brown. Thats not really what the Celtics need.

[liveod]

Here we are saying we won't draft Fultz because he's not explosive. Yet, they haven't worked out Tatum or Jackson and it appears they'll draft one of those two. Uhhhhhh

We've worked out Tatum. Jackson, they want to get him in, there is little doubt he is explosive though.

Alright, I'm with that. I do want Jackson to work out though... that dude's been dodging us.

[Curmudgeon]

I stated this flaw many times and i'm glad that our front office has seen this issue as well. The kid doesnt have a motor. Plus the workout video with Philly confirmed it as well. Which was quite painfull to watch.

Rudy gay, at best....at best and thats still saying alot

Wouldn't his college tape be more important?

Yes, and I reached the same conclusion about Fultz after watching a fair chunk of the publicly available film. His defensive technique sucks and he doesn't put much effort into it. He's a good shooter, but so are Ben McLemore and Josh Reddick. He's not #1 pick worthy, and the fact that his team lost and lost and lost just reinforces that.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

I stated this flaw many times and i'm glad that our front office has seen this issue as well. The kid doesnt have a motor. Plus the workout video with Philly confirmed it as well. Which was quite painfull to watch.

Rudy gay, at best....at best and thats still saying alot

Wouldn't his college tape be more important?

the college tape isnt super useful, the best tape to watch is the USA basketball tape. thats a more accurate representation of the player. good in leakouts, better at steals than advertised, not as good in the other advertised aspects.