Exhibit-10 Contracts = Matthews, Morgan, Pinson, Arcidiacono, Clemons, Kornet

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Looks decent. Why not give him a shot?

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[Bohemian]

So, what happens with Brown and Goodwin?
I like the name of Theo Pinson. Ideal for a 15th man.

[Bohemian]

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[hickfromfrenchlick]

Read on Twitter

Looks decent. Why not give him a shot?

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Well, his career shooting statistics (71/237 from the field, 27/134 from 3) suggest that if we give him a shot, there's a 70% chance he'll miss.

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Looks decent. Why not give him a shot?

Watch on YouTube

Well, his career shooting statistics (71/237 from the field, 27/134 from 3) suggest that if we give him a shot, there's a 70% chance he'll miss.

1) Eh. When you have no defined role on a team, you bounce around from team to team and you're getting low minutes / inconsistent playing time, the numbers will obviously be low.

2) The numbers you posted. That's a really small sample size. Not really enough sample size to make a determination about a player. He's only played a total of 68 games in the NBA and just 9 mins a game. That's like, nothing.

Let's look for a larger sample size. His g-league stats here:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/p/pinsoth01d.html

During a full 34 game g-league season he averaged over 20 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal, 0.6 blocks. Combined between 2 g-league seasons he shot 38.2% from 3, 50% from 2 point range and 84.1% FT.

Oh and this is on a much larger sample size - 1,496 mins played in the g-league compared to just 610 mins in NBA.

Obviously the weaker competition in g-league is one reason why he put up better numbers there. But what this tells us is there is a chance that he is much better than what his NBA stats indicate.

This guy was a Mcdonald's all american in high school, starting SG at UNC where he was ACC Player of the Year. He clearly has talent and he can clearly shoot - not sure how many guys have shot over 38% from 3 for a full g-league season (as well as over 50% from 2 and over 80% from FT line) but it's probably not many guys on the list. On film, his jumper looks really smooth, no wasted motion, no hitch. He can shoot off the catch or off the dribble and in his highlight video I'm also seeing some really good passing. Still only 25 yrs old so still could be getting better and far from washed up..

3) Also, when I said give him a shot, I simply meant give him a shot to attend training camp. See what he can do at training camp and from there figure out if he can earn a roster spot or at least a 2-way. That's all..

Low risk, high reward flier. Maybe he doesn't make the team, but maybe he ends up being a diamond in the rough pickup who ends up being a solid scorer, play maker and energy guy off the bench.

What I'm really encouraged by, is Brad is trying. He is trying to make our bench better. He brought in Nigel Hayes for a workout, he brought in Anthony Brown, he let Madar and Begarin get a shot during summer league to see what they could do. He brought Auguste in for summer league, he brought Jalen Adams in for a workout, he brought in Gary Clark, he brought in Pinson and Juwan Morgan. Stevens isn't sitting around. He's shooting his shot. He's bringing in everybody and his mother to see if he can strike gold and see if maybe 1 of these guys could be a diamond in the rough type guy to really come in and help the bench - or at the very least he's seeing if 1 of these guys could potentially make our roster just a little better than it was the day before.

Ainge last year was content to start the season with fall, waters, javonte, grant williams, edwards, pritchard, nesmith, langford, ojeleye and Teague as part of the bench unit..

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[captain green]

I like the fact were looking under every stone instead of storing short for there position players on the cheap just because I drafted them mentality. Only two mistakes left to remove now

[Bohemian]

I like the fact were looking under every stone instead of storing short for there position players on the cheap just because I drafted them mentality. Only two mistakes left to remove now

Grant and...?

[hickfromfrenchlick]

Looks decent. Why not give him a shot?

Watch on YouTube

Well, his career shooting statistics (71/237 from the field, 27/134 from 3) suggest that if we give him a shot, there's a 70% chance he'll miss.

1) Eh. When you have no defined role on a team, you bounce around from team to team and you're getting low minutes / inconsistent playing time, the numbers will obviously be low.

2) The numbers you posted. That's a really small sample size. Not really enough sample size to make a determination about a player. He's only played a total of 68 games in the NBA and just 9 mins a game. That's like, nothing.

Let's look for a larger sample size. His g-league stats here:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/p/pinsoth01d.html

During a full 34 game g-league season he averaged over 20 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal, 0.6 blocks. Combined between 2 g-league seasons he shot 38.2% from 3, 50% from 2 point range and 84.1% FT.

Oh and this is on a much larger sample size - 1,496 mins played in the g-league compared to just 610 mins in NBA.

Obviously the weaker competition in g-league is one reason why he put up better numbers there. But what this tells us is there is a chance that he is much better than what his NBA stats indicate.

This guy was a Mcdonald's all american in high school, starting SG at UNC where he was ACC Player of the Year. He clearly has talent and he can clearly shoot - not sure how many guys have shot over 38% from 3 for a full g-league season (as well as over 50% from 2 and over 80% from FT line) but it's probably not many guys on the list. On film, his jumper looks really smooth, no wasted motion, no hitch. He can shoot off the catch or off the dribble and in his highlight video I'm also seeing some really good passing. Still only 25 yrs old so still could be getting better and far from washed up..

3) Also, when I said give him a shot, I simply meant give him a shot to attend training camp. See what he can do at training camp and from there figure out if he can earn a roster spot or at least a 2-way. That's all..

Low risk, high reward flier. Maybe he doesn't make the team, but maybe he ends up being a diamond in the rough pickup who ends up being a solid scorer, play maker and energy guy off the bench.

What I'm really encouraged by, is Brad is trying. He is trying to make our bench better. He brought in Nigel Hayes for a workout, he brought in Anthony Brown, he let Madar and Begarin get a shot during summer league to see what they could do. He brought Auguste in for summer league, he brought Jalen Adams in for a workout, he brought in Gary Clark, he brought in Pinson and Juwan Morgan. Stevens isn't sitting around. He's shooting his shot. He's bringing in everybody and his mother to see if he can strike gold and see if maybe 1 of these guys could be a diamond in the rough type guy to really come in and help the bench - or at the very least he's seeing if 1 of these guys could potentially make our roster just a little better than it was the day before.

Ainge last year was content to start the season with fall, waters, javonte, grant williams, edwards, pritchard, nesmith, langford, ojeleye and Teague as part of the bench unit..

I was joking, you know that, right?

But I do think there’s very little chance he ever does anything for our team. G League stats are worthless IMO.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Looks decent. Why not give him a shot?

Watch on YouTube

Well, his career shooting statistics (71/237 from the field, 27/134 from 3) suggest that if we give him a shot, there's a 70% chance he'll miss.

1) Eh. When you have no defined role on a team, you bounce around from team to team and you're getting low minutes / inconsistent playing time, the numbers will obviously be low.

2) The numbers you posted. That's a really small sample size. Not really enough sample size to make a determination about a player. He's only played a total of 68 games in the NBA and just 9 mins a game. That's like, nothing.

Let's look for a larger sample size. His g-league stats here:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/p/pinsoth01d.html

During a full 34 game g-league season he averaged over 20 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal, 0.6 blocks. Combined between 2 g-league seasons he shot 38.2% from 3, 50% from 2 point range and 84.1% FT.

Oh and this is on a much larger sample size - 1,496 mins played in the g-league compared to just 610 mins in NBA.

Obviously the weaker competition in g-league is one reason why he put up better numbers there. But what this tells us is there is a chance that he is much better than what his NBA stats indicate.

This guy was a Mcdonald's all american in high school, starting SG at UNC where he was ACC Player of the Year. He clearly has talent and he can clearly shoot - not sure how many guys have shot over 38% from 3 for a full g-league season (as well as over 50% from 2 and over 80% from FT line) but it's probably not many guys on the list. On film, his jumper looks really smooth, no wasted motion, no hitch. He can shoot off the catch or off the dribble and in his highlight video I'm also seeing some really good passing. Still only 25 yrs old so still could be getting better and far from washed up..

3) Also, when I said give him a shot, I simply meant give him a shot to attend training camp. See what he can do at training camp and from there figure out if he can earn a roster spot or at least a 2-way. That's all..

Low risk, high reward flier. Maybe he doesn't make the team, but maybe he ends up being a diamond in the rough pickup who ends up being a solid scorer, play maker and energy guy off the bench.

What I'm really encouraged by, is Brad is trying. He is trying to make our bench better. He brought in Nigel Hayes for a workout, he brought in Anthony Brown, he let Madar and Begarin get a shot during summer league to see what they could do. He brought Auguste in for summer league, he brought Jalen Adams in for a workout, he brought in Gary Clark, he brought in Pinson and Juwan Morgan. Stevens isn't sitting around. He's shooting his shot. He's bringing in everybody and his mother to see if he can strike gold and see if maybe 1 of these guys could be a diamond in the rough type guy to really come in and help the bench - or at the very least he's seeing if 1 of these guys could potentially make our roster just a little better than it was the day before.

Ainge last year was content to start the season with fall, waters, javonte, grant williams, edwards, pritchard, nesmith, langford, ojeleye and Teague as part of the bench unit..

The amount of time it took you to write this post will probably be greater than the minutes Pinson will actually get to play as a Celtic. The dude is a cheerleader at best.

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Well, his career shooting statistics (71/237 from the field, 27/134 from 3) suggest that if we give him a shot, there's a 70% chance he'll miss.

1) Eh. When you have no defined role on a team, you bounce around from team to team and you're getting low minutes / inconsistent playing time, the numbers will obviously be low.

2) The numbers you posted. That's a really small sample size. Not really enough sample size to make a determination about a player. He's only played a total of 68 games in the NBA and just 9 mins a game. That's like, nothing.

Let's look for a larger sample size. His g-league stats here:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/p/pinsoth01d.html

During a full 34 game g-league season he averaged over 20 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal, 0.6 blocks. Combined between 2 g-league seasons he shot 38.2% from 3, 50% from 2 point range and 84.1% FT.

Oh and this is on a much larger sample size - 1,496 mins played in the g-league compared to just 610 mins in NBA.

Obviously the weaker competition in g-league is one reason why he put up better numbers there. But what this tells us is there is a chance that he is much better than what his NBA stats indicate.

This guy was a Mcdonald's all american in high school, starting SG at UNC where he was ACC Player of the Year. He clearly has talent and he can clearly shoot - not sure how many guys have shot over 38% from 3 for a full g-league season (as well as over 50% from 2 and over 80% from FT line) but it's probably not many guys on the list. On film, his jumper looks really smooth, no wasted motion, no hitch. He can shoot off the catch or off the dribble and in his highlight video I'm also seeing some really good passing. Still only 25 yrs old so still could be getting better and far from washed up..

3) Also, when I said give him a shot, I simply meant give him a shot to attend training camp. See what he can do at training camp and from there figure out if he can earn a roster spot or at least a 2-way. That's all..

Low risk, high reward flier. Maybe he doesn't make the team, but maybe he ends up being a diamond in the rough pickup who ends up being a solid scorer, play maker and energy guy off the bench.

What I'm really encouraged by, is Brad is trying. He is trying to make our bench better. He brought in Nigel Hayes for a workout, he brought in Anthony Brown, he let Madar and Begarin get a shot during summer league to see what they could do. He brought Auguste in for summer league, he brought Jalen Adams in for a workout, he brought in Gary Clark, he brought in Pinson and Juwan Morgan. Stevens isn't sitting around. He's shooting his shot. He's bringing in everybody and his mother to see if he can strike gold and see if maybe 1 of these guys could be a diamond in the rough type guy to really come in and help the bench - or at the very least he's seeing if 1 of these guys could potentially make our roster just a little better than it was the day before.

Ainge last year was content to start the season with fall, waters, javonte, grant williams, edwards, pritchard, nesmith, langford, ojeleye and Teague as part of the bench unit..

I was joking, you know that, right?

But I do think there’s very little chance he ever does anything for our team. G League stats are worthless IMO.

how would I know you were joking? Maybe next time put a j/k or a smilie face

G-league is arguably the 2nd most competitive pro basketball league in the world. Its stats are not worthless.

Jalen Green's G league stats last year:
18 PPG on 52.9% from 2, 36.5% from 3, 82.9% FT. 4 rebs, 3 assists, 1.5 steals and 0.3 blocks a game.

Who is Jalen Green? He went from putting up that stat line last year in g-league to being the no. 2 pick in the 2021 draft. Some even thought he should have been in the no. 1 pick. He is now the Rockets franchise player and most experts agree that he is a future superstar.

Theo Pinson put up better numbers in the g-league during his full season there in 2018-2019 than Jalen Green did last season. Now, to be fair, Pinson did it at age 23 and Green did it at age 19. And I'm not saying that Pinson is as good as Green - just proving the point that a) there can be hidden gems in the g-league so let's not completely dismiss g-league stats and b) Pinson might actually be pretty decent if he put up better g-league numbers than Jalen Green

Here's some other guys who are former g-league players:

Rudy Gobert
Khris Middleton
Pascal Siakam
Jordan Clarkson
Terance Mann
Danny Green
Robert Covington
Rafer Alston
Hassan Whiteside
Kendrick Nunn
Danuel House
Spencer Dinwiddie
Christian Wood
Ish Smith
Seth Curry
Shaun Livingston
Chris Andersen
JJ Barea
Quinn Cook


Imagine if the Bucks thought Middleton's g-league stats were worthless - they wouldn't have won the 2021 NBA championship.

Imagine if the Raptors thought Siakam's g-league. stats were worthless - they wouldn't have won the 2019 NBA championship.

3x defensive player of the year Gobert - former g-leaguer. Last season's 6th man of the year Clarkson - former g-leaguer.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

1) Eh. When you have no defined role on a team, you bounce around from team to team and you're getting low minutes / inconsistent playing time, the numbers will obviously be low.

2) The numbers you posted. That's a really small sample size. Not really enough sample size to make a determination about a player. He's only played a total of 68 games in the NBA and just 9 mins a game. That's like, nothing.

Let's look for a larger sample size. His g-league stats here:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/p/pinsoth01d.html

During a full 34 game g-league season he averaged over 20 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal, 0.6 blocks. Combined between 2 g-league seasons he shot 38.2% from 3, 50% from 2 point range and 84.1% FT.

Oh and this is on a much larger sample size - 1,496 mins played in the g-league compared to just 610 mins in NBA.

Obviously the weaker competition in g-league is one reason why he put up better numbers there. But what this tells us is there is a chance that he is much better than what his NBA stats indicate.

This guy was a Mcdonald's all american in high school, starting SG at UNC where he was ACC Player of the Year. He clearly has talent and he can clearly shoot - not sure how many guys have shot over 38% from 3 for a full g-league season (as well as over 50% from 2 and over 80% from FT line) but it's probably not many guys on the list. On film, his jumper looks really smooth, no wasted motion, no hitch. He can shoot off the catch or off the dribble and in his highlight video I'm also seeing some really good passing. Still only 25 yrs old so still could be getting better and far from washed up..

3) Also, when I said give him a shot, I simply meant give him a shot to attend training camp. See what he can do at training camp and from there figure out if he can earn a roster spot or at least a 2-way. That's all..

Low risk, high reward flier. Maybe he doesn't make the team, but maybe he ends up being a diamond in the rough pickup who ends up being a solid scorer, play maker and energy guy off the bench.

What I'm really encouraged by, is Brad is trying. He is trying to make our bench better. He brought in Nigel Hayes for a workout, he brought in Anthony Brown, he let Madar and Begarin get a shot during summer league to see what they could do. He brought Auguste in for summer league, he brought Jalen Adams in for a workout, he brought in Gary Clark, he brought in Pinson and Juwan Morgan. Stevens isn't sitting around. He's shooting his shot. He's bringing in everybody and his mother to see if he can strike gold and see if maybe 1 of these guys could be a diamond in the rough type guy to really come in and help the bench - or at the very least he's seeing if 1 of these guys could potentially make our roster just a little better than it was the day before.

Ainge last year was content to start the season with fall, waters, javonte, grant williams, edwards, pritchard, nesmith, langford, ojeleye and Teague as part of the bench unit..

I was joking, you know that, right?

But I do think there’s very little chance he ever does anything for our team. G League stats are worthless IMO.

how would I know you were joking? Maybe next time put a j/k or a smilie face

G-league is arguably the 2nd most competitive pro basketball league in the world. Its stats are not worthless.

Jalen Green's G league stats last year:
18 PPG on 52.9% from 2, 36.5% from 3, 82.9% FT. 4 rebs, 3 assists, 1.5 steals and 0.3 blocks a game.

Who is Jalen Green? He went from putting up that stat line last year in g-league to being the no. 2 pick in the 2021 draft. Some even thought he should have been in the no. 1 pick. He is now the Rockets franchise player and most experts agree that he is a future superstar.

Theo Pinson put up better numbers in the g-league during his full season there in 2018-2019 than Jalen Green did last season. Now, to be fair, Pinson did it at age 23 and Green did it at age 19. And I'm not saying that Pinson is as good as Green - just proving the point that a) there can be hidden gems in the g-league so let's not completely dismiss g-league stats and b) Pinson might actually be pretty decent if he put up better g-league numbers than Jalen Green

Here's some other guys who are former g-league players:

Rudy Gobert
Khris Middleton
Pascal Siakam
Jordan Clarkson
Terance Mann
Danny Green
Robert Covington
Rafer Alston
Hassan Whiteside
Kendrick Nunn
Danuel House
Spencer Dinwiddie
Christian Wood
Ish Smith
Seth Curry
Shaun Livingston

That there are good guys in the G League has nothing to do with the fact that G League stats aren’t reliable.

[Hal14]

I was joking, you know that, right?

But I do think there’s very little chance he ever does anything for our team. G League stats are worthless IMO.

how would I know you were joking? Maybe next time put a j/k or a smilie face

G-league is arguably the 2nd most competitive pro basketball league in the world. Its stats are not worthless.

Jalen Green's G league stats last year:
18 PPG on 52.9% from 2, 36.5% from 3, 82.9% FT. 4 rebs, 3 assists, 1.5 steals and 0.3 blocks a game.

Who is Jalen Green? He went from putting up that stat line last year in g-league to being the no. 2 pick in the 2021 draft. Some even thought he should have been in the no. 1 pick. He is now the Rockets franchise player and most experts agree that he is a future superstar.

Theo Pinson put up better numbers in the g-league during his full season there in 2018-2019 than Jalen Green did last season. Now, to be fair, Pinson did it at age 23 and Green did it at age 19. And I'm not saying that Pinson is as good as Green - just proving the point that a) there can be hidden gems in the g-league so let's not completely dismiss g-league stats and b) Pinson might actually be pretty decent if he put up better g-league numbers than Jalen Green

Here's some other guys who are former g-league players:

Rudy Gobert
Khris Middleton
Pascal Siakam
Jordan Clarkson
Terance Mann
Danny Green
Robert Covington
Rafer Alston
Hassan Whiteside
Kendrick Nunn
Danuel House
Spencer Dinwiddie
Christian Wood
Ish Smith
Seth Curry
Shaun Livingston

That there are good guys in the G League has nothing to do with the fact that G League stats aren’t reliable.

Well then what is it?

Why are g-league (arguably the 2nd most competitive pro basketball league in the world) stats worthless?

Again, if the Bucks thought g-league stats were worthless, they wouldn't have won the 2021 NBA championship because they wouldn't have given Khris Middleton a legit shot at earning a key role on the team..

[Curmudgeon]

Theo Pinson did not shoot well in college (25.7% from three point range) or in the NBA. But he is a very good defender. I really like the idea of having another good defender on the roster instead of Parker, a Javonte Green type. It's always good to have another guy to throw at Kyrie, Harden or Jimmy Butler.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

how would I know you were joking? Maybe next time put a j/k or a smilie face

G-league is arguably the 2nd most competitive pro basketball league in the world. Its stats are not worthless.

Jalen Green's G league stats last year:
18 PPG on 52.9% from 2, 36.5% from 3, 82.9% FT. 4 rebs, 3 assists, 1.5 steals and 0.3 blocks a game.

Who is Jalen Green? He went from putting up that stat line last year in g-league to being the no. 2 pick in the 2021 draft. Some even thought he should have been in the no. 1 pick. He is now the Rockets franchise player and most experts agree that he is a future superstar.

Theo Pinson put up better numbers in the g-league during his full season there in 2018-2019 than Jalen Green did last season. Now, to be fair, Pinson did it at age 23 and Green did it at age 19. And I'm not saying that Pinson is as good as Green - just proving the point that a) there can be hidden gems in the g-league so let's not completely dismiss g-league stats and b) Pinson might actually be pretty decent if he put up better g-league numbers than Jalen Green

Here's some other guys who are former g-league players:

Rudy Gobert
Khris Middleton
Pascal Siakam
Jordan Clarkson
Terance Mann
Danny Green
Robert Covington
Rafer Alston
Hassan Whiteside
Kendrick Nunn
Danuel House
Spencer Dinwiddie
Christian Wood
Ish Smith
Seth Curry
Shaun Livingston

That there are good guys in the G League has nothing to do with the fact that G League stats aren’t reliable.

Well then what is it?

Why are g-league (arguably the 2nd most competitive pro basketball league in the world) stats worthless?

Again, if the Bucks thought g-league stats were worthless, they wouldn't have won the 2021 NBA championship because they wouldn't have given Khris Middleton a legit shot at earning a key role on the team..

They presumably sent scouts to watch those players or, where the player was in their organization, had their G League staff evaluating them.

It's ironic you're making an argument in favor of statistics by relying on anecdotal evidence. Do you want me to list all of the G League players who put up stats there and never panned out in the NBA? I won't do that, but here's the 2019-20 G League scoring leaders board for your perusal:

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/league/221/g-league/2019/leaders/full-list/pts

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That there are good guys in the G League has nothing to do with the fact that G League stats aren’t reliable.

Well then what is it?

Why are g-league (arguably the 2nd most competitive pro basketball league in the world) stats worthless?

Again, if the Bucks thought g-league stats were worthless, they wouldn't have won the 2021 NBA championship because they wouldn't have given Khris Middleton a legit shot at earning a key role on the team..

They presumably sent scouts to watch those players or, where the player was in their organization, had their G League staff evaluating them.

It's ironic you're making an argument in favor of statistics by relying on anecdotal evidence. Do you want me to list all of the G League players who put up stats there and never panned out in the NBA? I won't do that, but here's the 2019-20 G League scoring leaders board for your perusal:

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/league/221/g-league/2019/leaders/full-list/pts

I'm actually using a combination of stats and anectodal evidence.

Thanks for posting that link - it only proves my point further. Look at that list you just posted.

Jordan Poole - was a very good contributor last year for the Warriors and Warriors fans swear that this guy is gonna win Most Improved Player this year.

Lu Dort - key contributor for the Thunder team that was the surprise team of the NBA in 2019-2020, started for them all year last season - was at times their best player and he's a projected starter this year

Cameron Payne - extremely valuable contributor off the bench for the Suns team that made the finals last year. He was their 2nd best player off the bench which earned him a contract extension this offseason.

Shake Milton - extremely valuable contributor off the bench for a Sixers team that had the best record in the east. expected to have a key role for them again this year

Keldon Johnson - won a gold medal with Team USA this summer. Started for the Spurs last year at forward and projected starter for them this year. As any Spurs fan and they will tell you they think he's gonna win Most Improved Player this year

Naz Reid - T-wolves fans love this guy. Valuable contributor for them off the bench and some t-wolves fans even think he might start for them this year

Talen Horton-Tucker - was a very valuable player for the lakers last year and is expected to play a valuable role again this year for a team that is one of the favorites to win it all

Daniel Gafford - valuable role player as the backup center last year for the wizards

Nicolas Claxton - valuable role player off the bench for the nets last year. expected to compete for the starting center job this year for a team that's one of the favorites to win it all

Did you post that list to prove that these players didn't pan out in the NBA? If so, that's kind of silly. Those are g-league stats from 2019-2020. We're still in the year 2021. In other words, it's far too early to say that these guys didn't "pan out".

Look, I'm not saying Pinson is guaranteed to be a stud in the NBA just because he averaged over 20 a game in the g-league on high efficiency with 6 rebs and 6 assists a game. But he at least has a chance - I'm not completely dismissing him from ever being a good NBA player, like you seem to be doing..

[hickfromfrenchlick]

Well then what is it?

Why are g-league (arguably the 2nd most competitive pro basketball league in the world) stats worthless?

Again, if the Bucks thought g-league stats were worthless, they wouldn't have won the 2021 NBA championship because they wouldn't have given Khris Middleton a legit shot at earning a key role on the team..

They presumably sent scouts to watch those players or, where the player was in their organization, had their G League staff evaluating them.

It's ironic you're making an argument in favor of statistics by relying on anecdotal evidence. Do you want me to list all of the G League players who put up stats there and never panned out in the NBA? I won't do that, but here's the 2019-20 G League scoring leaders board for your perusal:

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/league/221/g-league/2019/leaders/full-list/pts

I'm actually using a combination of stats and anectodal evidence.

Thanks for posting that link - it only proves my point further. Look at that list you just posted.

Jordan Poole - was a very good contributor last year for the Warriors and Warriors fans swear that this guy is gonna win Most Improved Player this year.

Lu Dort - key contributor for the Thunder team that was the surprise team of the NBA in 2019-2020, started for them all year last season - was at times their best player and he's a projected starter this year

Cameron Payne - extremely valuable contributor off the bench for the Suns team that made the finals last year. He was their 2nd best player off the bench which earned him a contract extension this offseason.

Shake Milton - extremely valuable contributor off the bench for a Sixers team that had the best record in the east. expected to have a key role for them again this year

Keldon Johnson - won a gold medal with Team USA this summer. Started for the Spurs last year at forward and projected starter for them this year. As any Spurs fan and they will tell you they think he's gonna win Most Improved Player this year

Naz Reid - T-wolves fans love this guy. Valuable contributor for them off the bench and some t-wolves fans even think he might start for them this year

Talen Horton-Tucker - was a very valuable player for the lakers last year and is expected to play a valuable role again this year for a team that is one of the favorites to win it all

Daniel Gafford - valuable role player as the backup center last year for the wizards

Nicolas Claxton - valuable role player off the bench for the nets last year. expected to compete for the starting center job this year for a team that's one of the favorites to win it all

Did you post that list to prove that these players didn't pan out in the NBA? If so, that's kind of silly. Those are g-league stats from 2019-2020. We're still in the year 2021. In other words, it's far too early to say that these guys didn't "pan out".

Look, I'm not saying every g-leaguer is gonna be a stud. But to just completely dismiss a player who came from the g-league and claim that g-league stats "are worthless" is suspect at best.

Uh, you're just cherry-picking guys from a list of 100 players. No, my point wasn't to show that all 100 of the top scorers from 2 years ago are total non-entities and it's weird you'd think that was my point. There's very little correlation between the order of the guys on that list and how they've performed in the NBA; that's my point.

You can go back in time and it's the same. Of course, super-performers get looks in the NBA. And 1st round picks that are given time to develop often do well.

Looking at the leaderboard, the same pattern emerges. You can always find some guys who did well in the G League that also did well in the NBA. That's obviously something you're going to see. You're going to find more guys who scored 18 PPG+ and are now in China or Israel.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/leaders/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Getting back to the point, G League stats are one data point and not an important one given the type of basketball being played in the G League. That's not a knock on the skill level but on the flow/nature of the games. That's my view. If you have some statistical analysis demonstrating a correlation between G League and NBA stats that you can show to challenge that view, I'm all ears and I will be happy to change my view based on that. Cherry-picking anecdotal evidence from a long list isn't going to do it.

[Parliament10]

Spoiler:

Well then what is it?

Why are g-league (arguably the 2nd most competitive pro basketball league in the world) stats worthless?

Again, if the Bucks thought g-league stats were worthless, they wouldn't have won the 2021 NBA championship because they wouldn't have given Khris Middleton a legit shot at earning a key role on the team..

They presumably sent scouts to watch those players or, where the player was in their organization, had their G League staff evaluating them.

It's ironic you're making an argument in favor of statistics by relying on anecdotal evidence. Do you want me to list all of the G League players who put up stats there and never panned out in the NBA? I won't do that, but here's the 2019-20 G League scoring leaders board for your perusal:

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/league/221/g-league/2019/leaders/full-list/pts

I'm actually using a combination of stats and anectodal evidence.

Thanks for posting that link - it only proves my point further. Look at that list you just posted.

Jordan Poole - was a very good contributor last year for the Warriors and Warriors fans swear that this guy is gonna win Most Improved Player this year.

Lu Dort - key contributor for the Thunder team that was the surprise team of the NBA in 2019-2020, started for them all year last season - was at times their best player and he's a projected starter this year

Cameron Payne - extremely valuable contributor off the bench for the Suns team that made the finals last year. He was their 2nd best player off the bench which earned him a contract extension this offseason.

Shake Milton - extremely valuable contributor off the bench for a Sixers team that had the best record in the east. expected to have a key role for them again this year

Keldon Johnson - won a gold medal with Team USA this summer. Started for the Spurs last year at forward and projected starter for them this year. As any Spurs fan and they will tell you they think he's gonna win Most Improved Player this year

Naz Reid - T-wolves fans love this guy. Valuable contributor for them off the bench and some t-wolves fans even think he might start for them this year

Talen Horton-Tucker - was a very valuable player for the lakers last year and is expected to play a valuable role again this year for a team that is one of the favorites to win it all

Daniel Gafford - valuable role player as the backup center last year for the wizards

Nicolas Claxton - valuable role player off the bench for the nets last year. expected to compete for the starting center job this year for a team that's one of the favorites to win it all

Did you post that list to prove that these players didn't pan out in the NBA? If so, that's kind of silly. Those are g-league stats from 2019-2020. We're still in the year 2021. In other words, it's far too early to say that these guys didn't "pan out".

Look, I'm not saying every g-leaguer is gonna be a stud. But to just completely dismiss a player who came from the g-league and claim that g-league stats "are worthless" is suspect at best.

Yeah. I'd say that many NBA players who go down to the G-League on stints, tend to end up pretty well.
From Straight G League to NBA, is another thing entirely, though.

https://gleague.nba.com/news/alumni-in-nba-2020-21/
By NBA G League | December 22, 2020

– 45: A record 45% of players (224 of 497) on start-of-season NBA rosters, including those under NBA two-way contracts, have NBA G League experience. The previous record was 42% in 2019-20 (208 of 496).

[Parliament10]

Spoiler:

They presumably sent scouts to watch those players or, where the player was in their organization, had their G League staff evaluating them.

It's ironic you're making an argument in favor of statistics by relying on anecdotal evidence. Do you want me to list all of the G League players who put up stats there and never panned out in the NBA? I won't do that, but here's the 2019-20 G League scoring leaders board for your perusal:

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/league/221/g-league/2019/leaders/full-list/pts

I'm actually using a combination of stats and anectodal evidence.

Thanks for posting that link - it only proves my point further. Look at that list you just posted.

Jordan Poole - was a very good contributor last year for the Warriors and Warriors fans swear that this guy is gonna win Most Improved Player this year.

Lu Dort - key contributor for the Thunder team that was the surprise team of the NBA in 2019-2020, started for them all year last season - was at times their best player and he's a projected starter this year

Cameron Payne - extremely valuable contributor off the bench for the Suns team that made the finals last year. He was their 2nd best player off the bench which earned him a contract extension this offseason.

Shake Milton - extremely valuable contributor off the bench for a Sixers team that had the best record in the east. expected to have a key role for them again this year

Keldon Johnson - won a gold medal with Team USA this summer. Started for the Spurs last year at forward and projected starter for them this year. As any Spurs fan and they will tell you they think he's gonna win Most Improved Player this year

Naz Reid - T-wolves fans love this guy. Valuable contributor for them off the bench and some t-wolves fans even think he might start for them this year

Talen Horton-Tucker - was a very valuable player for the lakers last year and is expected to play a valuable role again this year for a team that is one of the favorites to win it all

Daniel Gafford - valuable role player as the backup center last year for the wizards

Nicolas Claxton - valuable role player off the bench for the nets last year. expected to compete for the starting center job this year for a team that's one of the favorites to win it all

Did you post that list to prove that these players didn't pan out in the NBA? If so, that's kind of silly. Those are g-league stats from 2019-2020. We're still in the year 2021. In other words, it's far too early to say that these guys didn't "pan out".

Look, I'm not saying every g-leaguer is gonna be a stud. But to just completely dismiss a player who came from the g-league and claim that g-league stats "are worthless" is suspect at best.

Uh, you're just cherry-picking guys from a list of 100 players. No, my point wasn't to show that all 100 of the top scorers from 2 years ago are total non-entities and it's weird you'd think that was my point. There's very little correlation between the order of the guys on that list and how they've performed in the NBA; that's my point.

You can go back in time and it's the same. Of course, super-performers get looks in the NBA. And 1st round picks that are given time to develop often do well.

Looking at the leaderboard, the same pattern emerges. You can always find some guys who did well in the G League that also did well in the NBA. That's obviously something you're going to see. You're going to find more guys who scored 18 PPG+ and are now in China or Israel.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/leaders/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Getting back to the point, G League stats are one data point and not an important one given the type of basketball being played in the G League. That's not a knock on the skill level but on the flow/nature of the games. That's my view. If you have some statistical analysis demonstrating a correlation between G League and NBA stats that you can show to challenge that view, I'm all ears and I will be happy to change my view based on that. Cherry-picking anecdotal evidence from a long list isn't going to do it.

I wouldn't go that far.
Some of the actual G League Actions, are a bit telling of the actual talent level of some special players.

Not so much the Stats.
Becuase most of the players are G League quality, and not NBA caliber. But, it's a hybrid league.

[captain green]

I like the fact were looking under every stone instead of storing short for there position players on the cheap just because I drafted them mentality. Only two mistakes left to remove now

Grant and...?

As much as I hate to say it, it's langford for me due to players drafted behind him and him not being healthy and or the body language it might be just him but eye test says nonchalant attitude is a little disturbing to me this is basically the 1st me Knocking langford but this preseason games were underwhelming. I have more for him then can't will though but not by much