Blow It Up

[Bohemian]

Keep Tatum and RW... Move everyone else.

I would move anyone on the team if the offer is good enough, not sticking to any player in the roster. The Jays have had season and a half to win and so far they are 54-57. No excuses. They wanted Ime here and got Brad so frustrated that he quit coaching altogether. With Ime, their record is even worse.

[Edug27]

Keep Tatum and RW... Move everyone else.

I would move anyone on the team if the offer is good enough, not sticking to any player in the roster. The Jays have had season and a half to win and so far they are 54-57. No excuses. They wanted Ime here and got Brad so frustrated that he quit coaching altogether. With Ime, their record is even worse.

If you're ever moving Tatum, you're expecting to get another All NBA type player in his mid 20's back in return. Like a Ja Morant type. Thats not realistic. Jaylen is your best asset.

[Larry_Russell]

Keep Tatum and RW... Move everyone else.

I would move anyone on the team if the offer is good enough, not sticking to any player in the roster. The Jays have had season and a half to win and so far they are 54-57. No excuses. They wanted Ime here and got Brad so frustrated that he quit coaching altogether. With Ime, their record is even worse.

Look at the pieces around the Jays the last couple of seasons.

Too early to break them up.

Give them floor spacing and things will improve.

[Hal14]

18-21. No discussion required.

we have a higher winning % than the hawks. so they need to blow it up too?

pretty sure we've also had more of our key players miss games to injury/covid and we've also had a tougher schedule than them too.

Funny, you don't hear any rumors about their coach getting fired or them trading Young, Collins or Capela. Hmm..

[Larry_Russell]

18-21. No discussion required.

we have a higher winning % than the hawks. so they need to blow it up too?

pretty sure we've also had more of our key players miss games to injury/covid and we've also had a tougher schedule than them too.

Funny, you don't hear any rumors about their coach getting fired or them trading Young, Collins or Capela. Hmm..

seriously?

Do the Hawks have the worst 4th quarter record in the league?

[CelticFaninLBC]

Be open to trading anyone besides Tatum, Brown and Rob Williams.

[canman1971]

18-21. No discussion required.

we have a higher winning % than the hawks. so they need to blow it up too?

pretty sure we've also had more of our key players miss games to injury/covid and we've also had a tougher schedule than them too.

Funny, you don't hear any rumors about their coach getting fired or them trading Young, Collins or Capela. Hmm..

The Celtics are not the Hawks. Get real. Hawks are happy with mediocracy. What a poor analogy.

[Hal14]

18-21. No discussion required.

we have a higher winning % than the hawks. so they need to blow it up too?

pretty sure we've also had more of our key players miss games to injury/covid and we've also had a tougher schedule than them too.

Funny, you don't hear any rumors about their coach getting fired or them trading Young, Collins or Capela. Hmm..

seriously?

Do the Hawks have the worst 4th quarter record in the league?

who cares? Our winning % is better, despite the fact that we've had a tougher schedule and we've had key players miss more games to injury/illness

[Hal14]

18-21. No discussion required.

we have a higher winning % than the hawks. so they need to blow it up too?

pretty sure we've also had more of our key players miss games to injury/covid and we've also had a tougher schedule than them too.

Funny, you don't hear any rumors about their coach getting fired or them trading Young, Collins or Capela. Hmm..

The Celtics are not the Hawks. Get real. Hawks are happy with mediocracy. What a poor analogy.

Really not seeing how it's a poor analogy

[canman1971]

we have a higher winning % than the hawks. so they need to blow it up too?

pretty sure we've also had more of our key players miss games to injury/covid and we've also had a tougher schedule than them too.

Funny, you don't hear any rumors about their coach getting fired or them trading Young, Collins or Capela. Hmm..

The Celtics are not the Hawks. Get real. Hawks are happy with mediocracy. What a poor analogy.

Really not seeing how it's a poor analogy

Celtics= 17 championships. Hawks=zero.

[Ball4life32]

we have a higher winning % than the hawks. so they need to blow it up too?

pretty sure we've also had more of our key players miss games to injury/covid and we've also had a tougher schedule than them too.

Funny, you don't hear any rumors about their coach getting fired or them trading Young, Collins or Capela. Hmm..

seriously?

Do the Hawks have the worst 4th quarter record in the league?

who cares? Our winning % is better, despite the fact that we've had a tougher schedule and we've had key players miss more games to injury/illness

Hawks have been starting gleague/end of bench guys since the end of November at wing. They’ve been missing a bunch even before COVID.

[Hal14]

The Celtics are not the Hawks. Get real. Hawks are happy with mediocracy. What a poor analogy.

Really not seeing how it's a poor analogy

Celtics= 17 championships. Hawks=zero.

what does that have to do with anything?

Most of those 17 championships were won a long time ago. This is 2022. The league is way different now. Wake up, man. There's a TON the league has done over the years to improve competitive balance. 30 teams in the league today - all 30 teams play the same number of home games. All 30 teams have equal chance at getting good players - they all have to follow the same rules in terms f salary cap, etc. All 30 teams have good facilities, technology for breaking down film, for training their players. It's the closest it's ever been to a level playing field. There's literally zero reason why the celtics should have higher expectations than any other team.

Oh and the Hawks don't have zero championships so there goes your credibility.

[Larry_Russell]

Really not seeing how it's a poor analogy

Celtics= 17 championships. Hawks=zero.

what does that have to do with anything?

Most of those 17 championships were won a long time ago. This is 2022. The league is way different now. Wake up, man. There's a TON the league has done over the years to improve competitive balance. 30 teams in the league today - all 30 teams play the same number of home games. All 30 teams have equal chance at getting good players - they all have to follow the same rules in terms f salary cap, etc. All 30 teams have good facilities, technology for breaking down film, for training their players. It's the closest it's ever been to a level playing field. There's literally zero reason why the celtics should have higher expectations than any other team.

Oh and the Hawks don't have zero championships so there goes your credibility.

Celtics should have higher expectations because their 2 best players were in the ECF's just 2 years ago and have since become MUCH BETTER players.

We have improved the personel on the bench this year over when we had last year.

Yet we are worse.

Why shouldnt we have higher expectations than a team that is 3? games below 500

[Hal14]

seriously?

Do the Hawks have the worst 4th quarter record in the league?

who cares? Our winning % is better, despite the fact that we've had a tougher schedule and we've had key players miss more games to injury/illness

Hawks have been starting gleague/end of bench guys since the end of November at wing. They’ve been missing a bunch even before COVID.

eh. Young, collins and capela have been in the lineup basically EVERY game. Reddish, lou williams, gallinari, huerter and Bogdanovic have all been in there for the vast majority of their games..

[vwoodruff]

If a team like Indiana came to the table with an offer of a borderline all-star (Sabonis), a solid PG (Brogdon) and a bunch of 1st rounders, I think the Cs would be better off over the long-term than they are now.

While trading IT4 + Jae + Sexton for Kyrie (and Gordo) made sense from an asset value perspective, it was a middle finger to the basketball gods, and the Celtics are screwed until they recognize the value that edginess and hunger add to talent.

Tatum is feeling a bit like Pierce 2.0. With no KG, our feelings about Double-P would be a lot different than they are today.

[canman1971]

Really not seeing how it's a poor analogy

Celtics= 17 championships. Hawks=zero.

what does that have to do with anything?

Most of those 17 championships were won a long time ago. This is 2022. The league is way different now. Wake up, man. There's a TON the league has done over the years to improve competitive balance. 30 teams in the league today - all 30 teams play the same number of home games. All 30 teams have equal chance at getting good players - they all have to follow the same rules in terms f salary cap, etc. All 30 teams have good facilities, technology for breaking down film, for training their players. It's the closest it's ever been to a level playing field. There's literally zero reason why the celtics should have higher expectations than any other team.

Oh and the Hawks don't have zero championships so there goes your credibility.

The Atlanta Hawks have NEVER won an NBA championship. You just keep telling yourself the "everyone gets a trophy" type attitude.

[Red2]

We need a point guard, a shooter and an athletic big. The league is going bigger and we’re too small

[Red2]

Its irony at its finest to think brooklyn is going to win a title before us.I always thought we needed to stink before we could get better but Danny didnt want to go through the “process”. He tried to rebuild on the fly and but for a hayward injury he almost pulled it off

[Larry_Russell]

Celtics= 17 championships. Hawks=zero.

what does that have to do with anything?

Most of those 17 championships were won a long time ago. This is 2022. The league is way different now. Wake up, man. There's a TON the league has done over the years to improve competitive balance. 30 teams in the league today - all 30 teams play the same number of home games. All 30 teams have equal chance at getting good players - they all have to follow the same rules in terms f salary cap, etc. All 30 teams have good facilities, technology for breaking down film, for training their players. It's the closest it's ever been to a level playing field. There's literally zero reason why the celtics should have higher expectations than any other team.

Oh and the Hawks don't have zero championships so there goes your credibility.

The Atlanta Hawks have NEVER won an NBA championship. You just keep telling yourself the "everyone gets a trophy" type attitude.

buut buut bbbuuuuut google says so

[Hal14]

Celtics= 17 championships. Hawks=zero.

what does that have to do with anything?

Most of those 17 championships were won a long time ago. This is 2022. The league is way different now. Wake up, man. There's a TON the league has done over the years to improve competitive balance. 30 teams in the league today - all 30 teams play the same number of home games. All 30 teams have equal chance at getting good players - they all have to follow the same rules in terms f salary cap, etc. All 30 teams have good facilities, technology for breaking down film, for training their players. It's the closest it's ever been to a level playing field. There's literally zero reason why the celtics should have higher expectations than any other team.

Oh and the Hawks don't have zero championships so there goes your credibility.

Celtics should have higher expectations because their 2 best players were in the ECF's just 2 years ago and have since become MUCH BETTER players.

We have improved the personel on the bench this year over when we had last year.

Yet we are worse.

Why shouldnt we have higher expectations than a team that is 3? games below 500

that wasn't my point. The other guy was implying that point blank, we should have higher expectations than the hawks, simply because we have 17 titles as a franchise and the hawks have zero (which he was wrong about, the hawks actually have won 1 title).

I'm simply saying that in general (forget about rosters or how far a team went 2 years ago), celtics fans for some reason have warped, unrealistic expectations - the guy i was responding to (and many others on here, on twitter and facebook) for some reason think that just because the celtics have won 17 titles, that magically means we should have MUCH higher expectations than every other team in the league.

No!

It doesn't mean sh*t.

There's nobody on the current celtics team who was part of any of those 17 title teams. Most of those titles were won a long time ago, before Tatum was even born.

The suns, nets and Jazz are 3 of the favorites this season. Guess how many NBA titles they have won. Zero. None of them have won a single title.

That's all I'm saying. This "oh man, we've won 17 titles, we're the celtics. I can't believe we haven't won a title since 2008, blah blah" is a bunch of BS..