This should be the end of the Tatum and Brown era

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Talent is only good if it’s used right. Tatum snd brown don’t play off of one another and they don’t really play together. Other than shooting 3’s this team doesnt have any other way to score. They don’t run the floor snd they don’t post up. They aren’t tough and they fold in close games. Smart continues to make bonehead plays as does brown. I think you have to change the core. I doubt they trade tatum or brown so smart is the logical guy. Al makes way too much and has been a dud so you have to do something there. And joe has to go; the team quit on him

This post is incredibly accurate when it comes to the issues with this team. I know someone's going to point to some analytics and stats and all that but the way I see this team is that Brown and Tatum largely take turns playing ISO basketball.

You couldn't be more accurate about this team being a three-point shooting team either. When they hit they look like they did against Philadelphia game 7 and when it gets taken away or they can't hit threes they get swept like against Miami

This team is fundamentally flawed and we saw all these issues in the regular season and most people ignored them

[flintsky21]

You can add Smart there too. The Tatum-Brown-Smart era has run its course. We retool around Tatum. Everyone else should be shopped, even Rob and Big Al.

[Froob]

Talent is only good if it’s used right. Tatum snd brown don’t play off of one another and they don’t really play together. Other than shooting 3’s this team doesnt have any other way to score. They don’t run the floor snd they don’t post up. They aren’t tough and they fold in close games. Smart continues to make bonehead plays as does brown. I think you have to change the core. I doubt they trade tatum or brown so smart is the logical guy. Al makes way too much and has been a dud so you have to do something there. And joe has to go; the team quit on him

This post is incredibly accurate when it comes to the issues with this team. I know someone's going to point to some analytics and stats and all that but the way I see this team is that Brown and Tatum largely take turns playing ISO basketball.

You couldn't be more accurate about this team being a three-point shooting team either. When they hit they look like they did against Philadelphia game 7 and when it gets taken away or they can't hit threes they get swept like against Miami

This team is fundamentally flawed and we saw all these issues in the regular season and most people ignored them

It's amazing when teams don't become radically different teams than they've been all year in the playoffs.

[JR Hawks]

Don't break up the Jay's without first getting rid of Smart and replacing him with a true point guard that can provide much needed on court leadership.

Smart has failed as a point guard.....he still wants to be an inefficient scorer and he constantly slows down the offense, forcing the team to play iso ball against set defenses.

[exculpatory]

Get a real coach effective this week.
Trade #7 - he is a skilled but streaky scorer but has a BBIQ of -100 even after 7 years, plays **** D, is a TOV machine & does not want to be in Boston (aside from the fact that his apparent personal beliefs disgust me).
Trade Marcus - heart of a lion but not a true PG, cannot shoot, & makes as many dumb plays as ‘winning plays’.
Al should retire after a wonderful career.
Keep Brogdon & White.
Not sure about Rob given his fragility.
Build a new support system around incredibly talented but too often mentally weak JT.

[Froob]

Don't break up the Jay's without first getting rid of Smart and replacing him with a true point guard that can provide much needed on court leadership.

Smart has failed as a point guard.....he still wants to be an inefficient scorer and he constantly slows down the offense, forcing the team to play iso ball against set defenses.

I think the problem is that you want your super max players to have the ball and to be able to dribble in traffic and pass out of double teams. You don't want a true point guard taking that ball away.

[BK_2020]

The Heat can play 2-3 zone and completely wall off Tatum, forcing him to give the ball up. The issue is not "tatum and brown can't play together." The issue is we don't have a second option who can make the Heat pay for loading up on Tatum.

[zoyathedestroya]

Don't break up the Jay's without first getting rid of Smart and replacing him with a true point guard that can provide much needed on court leadership.

Smart has failed as a point guard.....he still wants to be an inefficient scorer and he constantly slows down the offense, forcing the team to play iso ball against set defenses.

I think the problem is that you want your super max players to have the ball and to be able to dribble in traffic and pass out of double teams. You don't want a true point guard taking that ball away.

And even with a “true point”, even if that point is a star-level player that will command respect, you run into the same problems if the two wings aren’t committed to moving without the ball or aren’t effective offball.

We already had three different point guards playing alongside the Jays (Rozier, Kyrie, Kemba).

[Red2]

Joe may one day be a good nba head coach but brad did him and the team a disservice by making him head coach

[Red2]

Who is the point guard we could get? We traded away all our draft picks for horford white and brogdon. How’s that working out?

[zoyathedestroya]

Joe may one day be a good nba head coach but brad did him and the team a disservice by making him head coach

Possible they may be content with just making ECF in his rookie year, who the hell knows. We’ll see in the following week.

[lon3lytoaster]

Don't break up the Jay's without first getting rid of Smart and replacing him with a true point guard that can provide much needed on court leadership.

Smart has failed as a point guard.....he still wants to be an inefficient scorer and he constantly slows down the offense, forcing the team to play iso ball against set defenses.

I think the problem is that you want your super max players to have the ball and to be able to dribble in traffic and pass out of double teams. You don't want a true point guard taking that ball away.

And even with a “true point”, even if that point is a star-level player that will command respect, you run into the same problems if the two wings aren’t committed to moving without the ball or aren’t effective offball.

We already had three different point guards playing alongside the Jays (Rozier, Kyrie, Kemba).

That’s what I was going to say. You can get a “coach on the floor” type PG but that doesn’t mean Jaylen will set off ball screens, cuts or not dribble into 4 defenders.

Jaylen Brown has to have the worst combination of dribbling prowess and general court vision for any all star in the last dozen years, let alone as an All-NBAer.

Absolutely one of him or Marcus needs to go at the very least.

[Red2]

When was the last time tatum passed to brown or vice versa? When was the last time they set picks for one another or ran pick and roll? They are two great scorers but they do not make each other ( or their teammates) better. And smart lacks the ability to do that. We need a rondo

[Red2]

Brown’s handle remains a problem as does his defense. It might be time to move on and see if we can get better complimentary players. We need a center , a point guard and a wing. I’m open to trading both smart and brown

[exculpatory]

Brown’s handle remains a problem as does his defense. It might be time to move on and see if we can get better complimentary players. We need a center , a point guard and a wing. I’m open to trading both smart and brown

Absolutely.

And get a Coach.

[chrisab123]

As long as the Cs are in the hunt every season, the owners will not care about winning a title.

If the owners are making money then they'll just keep running this back.

Eh I kind of agree with that. But remember they rent from Jeremy Jacobs. So its not like Monty Burns and how he runs the Bruins where the Jacobs doctorine was simply to guarantee a home playoff gate in the first round and anything after is a success. The Celtics don't get 100% of concessions or anything like that. Monty gets a cut since its his company.

So would it benefit them to have a winner? Yes. They're willing to spend, they just don't have the leadership to enact the plan.

They've had Doc, Brad, Ime, and Joe as the head coaches since Wyc has owned the team. I don't think Obie was there when it was sold but I could be wrong. So you could argue that the best coach they had was Stevens. He just didn't know how to get the most out of star players. The next guy they bring in has to be able to coach stars. Bud or Nurse would be solid here.

[pac213up]

The Heat can play 2-3 zone and completely wall off Tatum, forcing him to give the ball up. The issue is not "tatum and brown can't play together." The issue is we don't have a second option who can make the Heat pay for loading up on Tatum.

That is an issue but I think the bigger problem is the lack of movement from JT & JB once they give up the ball. If they worked as hard on cuts as they do trying to break down defenders with dribbling they would be better off. I am not sure if it is the design of the offense or just their limitation.

[return2glory]

At this point, a new coach is a must since Joe doesn't have a clue on how to gave a different game plan, one that works.
He can't make adjustments at all in this series. Besides that, the team is playing like they gave up the last two games. And last night was one of the worst Celtic performances in playoff history.

It's time to trade Brown. We have been at our best in games he was out this season. Also Caleb Martin outplaying him in this series in inexcusable. We need an all star player, ideally a PF/C. If Brown hits free agency with Boston in a year, there is a good chance he is walking.

[Celticsfan100]

Usually when you get swept it signals the end of an era. Especially when you stop trying and quitting. It’s time to clean house and bring in some new faces that keeps this team in the title conversation

[31to6]

I've spent at least five years hoping and/or believing that JB and JT could win titles here. I now want most of those hours back!

And I don't know what's going on here, could just be a bad week of basketball for especially Jaylen, or could be that his 'vase accident' has been the sleeper injury to tank our season, or that he already has a foot out the door or is staying up all night playing 2K with himself and a bunch of scrubs just to revel in what it's like to BE THE MAN, I don't know.

But I'll keep saying trade Jaylen for Siakam and it doesn't make sense for TOR and doesn't make sense given where JB is with his contract, but that's my move. After bringing in Monty Williams as HC.