Would any other team hire Joe as their HC? – (Reminisce Thread)

[Fierce1]

Nobody remembers how Spo and Ty Lue were looked at as coaches early on? Or we just all remember too well how Doc was viewed as a coach early? Could go either way. Ultimately though I don’t think Joe is going to be a reason we don’t win a title IF we don’t win a title.

And it'll be sweeter once the Cs win a title with Joe as coach.

[return2glory]

I like Joe. Glad we have him as our coach. I've been rooted for him since he got hired as our head coach.
Does he annoy me sometimes when he refuses to call timeouts? For sure. Sometimes I question the guys he plays and doesn't play off the bench. But overall, I like him as our coach. Brad did a really good job this off season of getting him really good qualify assistants.

[tfmiii]

IMHO Joe's better suited as a lead asst, smart but no feel for the human elements of the game it seems, which are most manifest in in-game decisions / adjustments

[Lee Van Cleef]

They would hire, and 6 months later fire him. That would be the end of his career as an NBA HC.

[playa-hater]

Of course someone would hire him.. The NBA has a track record of rehiring proven bad coaches over and over again..

[Fierce1]

It would be wild if Joe wins Coach of the Year this season.

[Parliament10]

It would be wild if Joe wins Coach of the Year this season.

He was a finalist last year, 2022-23.
I see him in the running this year too, so far.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Would any Top 4 Championship team hire Joe to do battle with Spoelstra, etc.?

Not me...

[ParticleMan]

haven't you people got the memo?

reason we lose any game:
1. Joe Mazzulla
2. Joe Mazzulla
3. Joe Mazzulla

reason we win any game:
1. The players
2. Brad Stevens
3. The assistant coaches
4. The fans
5. Adam Silver
6. Billy King
7. Bill Belichick
8. Steven A. Smith
...
232. The Franco-Prussian War
233. Mahatma Gandhi
234. Joe Mazzulla

[Fencer reregistered]

haven't you people got the memo?

reason we lose any game:
1. Joe Mazzulla
2. Joe Mazzulla
3. Joe Mazzulla

reason we win any game:
1. The players
2. Brad Stevens
3. The assistant coaches
4. The fans
5. Adam Silver
6. Billy King
7. Bill Belichick
8. Steven A. Smith
...
232. The Franco-Prussian War
233. Mahatma Gandhi
234. Joe Mazzulla

False. Sometimes we lose because of Jaylen Brown.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I think Jaylen's oeuvre-macho posing after power scores scares all the losses away...
I'm down with Jaylen's ever changing moods, sort of like Style Council...

Watch on YouTube

[Hal14]

I honestly can't say that Tatum is any better than Sabonis or Markkanen in closing games.

How many Utah Jazz games have you watched this season and last? For me, it's at least 70 games. And I stand by my statement.

It's a simple question, so please respond with a #.

First off, it's an insulting/condescending thing to say "how many of x team's games have you watched this season or last?". Let's just talk basketball here and not make it personal.

Secondly, when has Lauri Markannen or Domantas Sabonis ever done anything like this to win an elimination game in the playoffs?

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When has Markannen or Sabonis won a playoff game by shutting down arguably the best scorer of all-time to get a stop and then making the game winning shot?

Watch on YouTube

When has Markannen or Sabonis hit the game winner to win probably the best reg season game of the year, a tough off the dribble 3 to beat one of the best teams in the league, on the road?

Watch on YouTube

How about a clutch dunk to send the game to OT?

Watch on YouTube

There's many more but I gotta get back to work

[Jammer]

How many Utah Jazz games have you watched this season and last? For me, it's at least 70 games. And I stand by my statement.

It's a simple question, so please respond with a #.

First off, it's an insulting/condescending thing to say "how many of x team's games have you watched this season or last?". Let's just talk basketball here and not make it personal.

Actually watching games versus reviewing stats is talking basketball. It also is evidence of opinions forms. Nonetheless, I looked up a few current season stats based on what my eyes already told me:

Player ********* Points Per Shot (Scoring Efficiency) ******** Shooting Efficiency (%)
Sabonis ******* 1.488 ********************************************** 0.59
Markkanen *** 1.429 ********************************************** 0.58
Tatum ********* 1.372 ********************************************** 0.55

NBA Champions, as a Team, typically average just over 1.3 Points Per Shot and and a Shooting Efficiency of over 55%.

[BK_2020]

There's no way I'm giving the ball to freaking Doma Sabonis if I really need a bucket at the end of a game to win it.

[Hal14]

There's no way I'm giving the ball to freaking Doma Sabonis if I really need a bucket at the end of a game to win it.

And neither are the Kings. Fox is a very good scorer in the clutch - much better than Sabonis..

[Smart2Nesmith43]

According to basketball reference's data, Celtics net rating with Tatum off the floor:
2017/2018: -1.5 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2018/2019: +1.9 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2019/2020: -0.7 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2020/2021: -2.5 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2021/2022: -1.7 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2022/2023: +2.8 (coached by Mazzulla)
2023/2024: +9.2 (coached by Mazzulla)
Weird how the guy that can't coach immediately solved the non Tatum minutes.

[playa-hater]

Would any Top 4 Championship team hire Joe to do battle with Spoelstra, etc.?

Not me...

You just inspired a new nickname from me for Joe. "regular season Joe".

How many coaches win COTY get fired, get rehired, and become the regular season worst coach?? Monty Williams is the latest example.

In the playoffs is where real coaching is displayed. Or lack thereof. The best Rosters in the regular season can just coast. But when a team gets to the final 4 or 8 playoffs spots, and rosters even out a bit, then coaching and strategies become more relevant. Teams/coaches have far more time to develop gameplans against one single opponent unlike the regular season.

Is Joe a good pre-game strategist?? Does he command good-great respect from his players? Does he adapt well in games?? Does he have a good feel for adjusting on the Fly on offense or defense? Does he throw away a gameplan when something goes wrong?? Does he hold players accountable when they go away from the game plan?

Above are just rhetorical questions for me. Everyone has to look and answer to themselves first.

Other than getting a good position for the playoffs, the Regular season means squat. How many years do we have to go through this?

[Hal14]

Would any Top 4 Championship team hire Joe to do battle with Spoelstra, etc.?

Not me...

You just inspired a new nickname from me for Joe. "regular season Joe".

How many coaches win COTY get fired, get rehired, and become the regular season worst coach?? Monty Williams is the latest example.

In the playoffs is where real coaching is displayed. Or lack thereof. The best Rosters in the regular season can just coast. But when a team gets to the final 4 or 8 playoffs spots, and rosters even out a bit, then coaching and strategies become more relevant. Teams/coaches have far more time to develop gameplans against one single opponent unlike the regular season.

Is Joe a good pre-game strategist?? Does he command good-great respect from his players? Does he adapt well in games?? Does he have a good feel for adjusting on the Fly on offense or defense? Does he throw away a gameplan when something goes wrong?? Does he hold players accountable when they go away from the game plan?

Above are just rhetorical questions for me. Everyone has to look and answer to themselves first.

Other than getting a good position for the playoffs, the Regular season means squat. How many years do we have to go through this?

Um, he's only been a HC for 1 playoff run.

And during that 1 playoff run, he had no offseason to prepare for being the HC (got the job like day before training camp started), had to walk into a locker room of shell shocked players who were in disbelief about what happened to Ime, players who didn't know whether or not Ime would end up back as coach (with Joe back in assist role) once Ime's suspension was over, had to coach with Ime's buddies for assistants, Hardy left for Utah, the top assistant Mazzulla had left to take a college job right before the playoffs (Stoudemire). And the franchise player sprained his ankle on the 1st play of game 7.

Spo didn't do anything in the playoffs until his 3rd season as a HC. Pop didn't do anything in the playoffs until his 3rd season. Mike Malone didn't do anything in the playoffs until his 10th season as a HC. Nuggets fans wanted him fired in 2021, 2 yrs before he won it all:
https://www.change.org/p/denver-nuggets-fire-mike-malone

Spo also just got spanked in the NBA finals. By a coach who Nuggets fans wanted fired 2 yrs ago. And Spo also got spanked in the NBA finals in 2020 by a coach who many fans had never even heard of before the bubble (Vogel).

Spo hasn't won a single title without arguably the GOAT in his prime on his team.

Not saying that coaching doesn't matter but you seem to be overselling it. You also seem to be overselling Spo and overly quick to dismiss Joe, when history tells us that many really good coaches didn't win anything in the playoffs till at least their 3rd year..

[sam_I_am]

According to basketball reference's data, Celtics net rating with Tatum off the floor:
2017/2018: -1.5 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2018/2019: +1.9 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2019/2020: -0.7 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2020/2021: -2.5 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2021/2022: -1.7 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2022/2023: +2.8 (coached by Mazzulla)
2023/2024: +9.2 (coached by Mazzulla)
Weird how the guy that can't coach immediately solved the non Tatum minutes.

Yeah, gotta credit Mazulla for getting so much out of Porzingas and Holiday when Tatum is off the floor. They didn’t do squat for us from 2017-2022. Just kidding. Mazulla definitely gets credit for getting the most out of White. Naming him the starting PG so early and not changing his mind after Holiday trade has been a game changer.

[Jammer]

According to basketball reference's data, Celtics net rating with Tatum off the floor:
2017/2018: -1.5 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2018/2019: +1.9 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2019/2020: -0.7 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2020/2021: -2.5 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2021/2022: -1.7 (not coached by Mazzulla)
2022/2023: +2.8 (coached by Mazzulla)
2023/2024: +9.2 (coached by Mazzulla)
Weird how the guy that can't coach immediately solved the non Tatum minutes.

Yeah, gotta credit Mazulla for getting so much out of Porzingas and Holiday when Tatum is off the floor. They didn’t do squat for us from 2017-2022. Just kidding. Mazulla definitely gets credit for getting the most out of White. Naming him the starting PG so early and not changing his mind after Holiday trade has been a game changer.

Great Point.