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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#21 » by RickyDizzle » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:10 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Lonnie Walker and Royce O'Neale from Brooklyn (both expiring)

for Pritchard, Brissett, Banton, Svi, Lamar Stevens

TPE on Dosunmu

White/Dosunmu
Jrue/Lonnie
Jaylen/Hauser
Tatum/O'Neale
KP/Horford/Luke/Queta

Could call up Walsh and Davison for emergency depth, or fill out roster with veteran buy-outs...


Not bad, but sadly Pritchard and Brissett are two of our better rebounders and Walker and O'Neale don't really help in that area. Obviously we'd need to trade draft capital away in both trades too.
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Post#22 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:39 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Lonnie Walker and Royce O'Neale from Brooklyn (both expiring)

for Pritchard, Brissett, Banton, Svi, Lamar Stevens

TPE on Dosunmu

White/Dosunmu
Jrue/Lonnie
Jaylen/Hauser
Tatum/O'Neale
KP/Horford/Luke/Queta

Could call up Walsh and Davison for emergency depth, or fill out roster with veteran buy-outs...

Ayo doesn't fit the TPE
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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#23 » by Memokerobi » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:50 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Lonnie Walker and Royce O'Neale from Brooklyn (both expiring)

for Pritchard, Brissett, Banton, Svi, Lamar Stevens

TPE on Dosunmu

White/Dosunmu
Jrue/Lonnie
Jaylen/Hauser
Tatum/O'Neale
KP/Horford/Luke/Queta

Could call up Walsh and Davison for emergency depth, or fill out roster with veteran buy-outs...

Ayo doesn't fit the TPE


Also don't think he sees the floor for us if everyone's healthy
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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#24 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Tue Feb 6, 2024 12:19 am

No idea whether Jazz are going to be buyers, sellers or not much, but if they're sellers and we wanted to get crazy:

BOS Out: PP, Svi, Banton, Stevens & Walsh + TPE & picks picks picks
BOS In: Olynyk (matched with BOS players out), Fontecchio & Dunn (via Grant TPE)

UTA Out: Olynyk (matched with BOS players out), Fontecchio & Dunn (via Grant TPE)
UTA In: PP, Svi, Banton, Stevens & Walsh

It might need to be over 2 separate transactions...

Boston then upgrades Queta and signs someone else to get to min 14 players. Jazz would need to waive a couple of players.

Picks, picks and picks would need to be given, not sure we would do it and I'm sure Danny could do better than what we could give.
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Post#25 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 6, 2024 1:41 am

While my personal preference is a big guard, not the end of the world if Cs can't find an upgrade to PP. Just sit him if he's getting hunted and hurting the second unit. Tatum/White/Holiday can all cover the PG spot in bench units. But that would require Joe giving him a short leash. Just get the "big wing" Brad wants or play Brissett more. Oshae helps with the hustle, energy, and rebounding even if he can't shoot (doesn't take many threes anyway).

Cs can get any player deserving of a 7th or 8th from any position and tweak their rotation around that.

With regards to rebounding, our bench has done well. One of the top offensive rebounding bench groups. Top 10 in defensive rebounding. Playing Tatum in bench-heavy units certainly helps with that. So it's our starters that need to rebound better. Can't solve that via personnel change. Starters are set. KP not a great rebounder so the guards need to help.
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Post#26 » by playa-hater » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:08 am

While I am not sure what to expect with Boston, I do expect a "medium" amount of trade activity to happen by the deadline. But it always takes the first Domino to fall.
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Post#27 » by KillahGhostface » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:09 am

Celtics will make a decent move if only because they’re so handicapped with what they can do after the season.
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Post#28 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:11 am

KillahGhostface wrote:Celtics will make a decent move if only because they’re so handicapped with what they can do after the season.

Not if they sell off their "stars" and just build around Walsh and White.
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Post#29 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:12 am

The Celtics could use an upgrade! Here's Zach Lowe from his podcast (Thanks Jablo1312):

"They're starting to, leak oil is a little strong, they're starting to wobble a little bit and have put together some performances that have made me be (concerned). They started the season 26-6 , they're now 11-6 since. When they were 26-6 , they averaged 121 points per 100 possessions , #2 in the league, 110 points allowed, that was #2 in the league. In the 11-6 stretch, they're down to 119/100 on offense, which doesn't sound like a big drop off, it's just two points, but offense trends up over the season, and we've seen this movie with Boston before, that's 9th in that span. 112 points allowed, that's 5th. Their net rating has dropped from 10.4 plus to plus 6.8, which is the difference between great and just good, they're like 5th in net rating in the 11-6 stretch. Still good, still like, everything's fine, I just haven't loved, just haven't loved it. Their starting, the version of their starting five with Horford in Porzingis's place is minus five in 215 minutes, it just hasn't played well and Porzingis feels just so essential to their team.

And I'm just gonna read you…what percentile thier share of shot attempts at the rim in their last 15-ish games since January 10th would rank on a zero to 100 scale: 5th, 25th, 7th, 9th, 13th, 8th,19th ,38th, 16th, 26th, 10th, 6th, 9th. I'm sorry to keep harping on this, it's not a crisis, but it's a thing. They shoot too many threes, they do not get to the rim enough, I know some people within their team would say: when we get to the rim and we miss, it's a jailbreak going to the other end, with threes we can set our defense. The math says this. The math says you're amazing, and you are amazing. I am not sitting here advocating that the Boston Celtics turn into like the 1994 Knicks. I'm just saying those numbers I just read are problematic, and they suggest that a 5-10% shift of your philosophy, a small but noticeable shift, is necessary. Because they had seven free throws last night. They don't get to the line a lot, they don't offensive rebound a lot, they are just too dependent on threes. Maybe this is just the malaise of we're awesome, we're good, we're gonna take the easier way out in some of these games, but those numbers, it's just ice cold blue up and down those numbers, and it's just something I'm monitoring. They're down to like 28th for the season, in percentage of shot attempts at the rim, it's too low, it needs to get higher."
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Post#30 » by CelticFaninLBC » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:24 am

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:The Celtics could use an upgrade! Here's Zach Lowe from his podcast (Thanks Jablo1312):

"They're starting to, leak oil is a little strong, they're starting to wobble a little bit and have put together some performances that have made me be (concerned). They started the season 26-6 , they're now 11-6 since. When they were 26-6 , they averaged 121 points per 100 possessions , #2 in the league, 110 points allowed, that was #2 in the league. In the 11-6 stretch, they're down to 119/100 on offense, which doesn't sound like a big drop off, it's just two points, but offense trends up over the season, and we've seen this movie with Boston before, that's 9th in that span. 112 points allowed, that's 5th. Their net rating has dropped from 10.4 plus to plus 6.8, which is the difference between great and just good, they're like 5th in net rating in the 11-6 stretch. Still good, still like, everything's fine, I just haven't loved, just haven't loved it. Their starting, the version of their starting five with Horford in Porzingis's place is minus five in 215 minutes, it just hasn't played well and Porzingis feels just so essential to their team.

And I'm just gonna read you…what percentile thier share of shot attempts at the rim in their last 15-ish games since January 10th would rank on a zero to 100 scale: 5th, 25th, 7th, 9th, 13th, 8th,19th ,38th, 16th, 26th, 10th, 6th, 9th. I'm sorry to keep harping on this, it's not a crisis, but it's a thing. They shoot too many threes, they do not get to the rim enough, I know some people within their team would say: when we get to the rim and we miss, it's a jailbreak going to the other end, with threes we can set our defense. The math says this. The math says you're amazing, and you are amazing. I am not sitting here advocating that the Boston Celtics turn into like the 1994 Knicks. I'm just saying those numbers I just read are problematic, and they suggest that a 5-10% shift of your philosophy, a small but noticeable shift, is necessary. Because they had seven free throws last night. They don't get to the line a lot, they don't offensive rebound a lot, they are just too dependent on threes. Maybe this is just the malaise of we're awesome, we're good, we're gonna take the easier way out in some of these games, but those numbers, it's just ice cold blue up and down those numbers, and it's just something I'm monitoring. They're down to like 28th for the season, in percentage of shot attempts at the rim, it's too low, it needs to get higher."


Unfortunately Mazzulla will encourage more threes.
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Post#31 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:26 am

KillahGhostface wrote:Celtics will make a decent move if only because they’re so handicapped with what they can do after the season.

That what I figured, it’s now or never
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Post#32 » by KillahGhostface » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:30 am

Lowe so lazy now lol. Just a silly talking point for fans.

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Post#33 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:33 am

In a 7-game series in later rounds, that could bite us in the ass. Miami says hi. My suggestion if they keep relying on threes (and can't get to the rim/FT line) is to make most of them. KP to save the day though so as long as they don't forget he exists, we'll be fine.

Anyway, not sure what that has to do with trades. No one in the trade/buyout market can help with our shot profile. Starters (specifically JT and JB) take the bulk of our shots.
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Post#34 » by KillahGhostface » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:34 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:In a 7-game series in later rounds, that could bite us in the ass. Miami says hi. My suggestion if they keep relying on threes (and can't get to the rim/FT line) is to make most of them. KP to save the day though so as long as they don't forget he exists, we'll be fine.


This team just much better equipped if they’re not hitting from three. Don’t think there’s even a point in comparing any of the past series.
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Post#35 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:35 am

KillahGhostface wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:In a 7-game series in later rounds, that could bite us in the ass. Miami says hi. My suggestion if they keep relying on threes (and can't get to the rim/FT line) is to make most of them. KP to save the day though so as long as they don't forget he exists, we'll be fine.


This team just much better equipped if they’re not hitting from three. Don’t think there’s even a point in comparing any of the past series.

TBD. Hate repeating myself, but it's one thing to talk about it and to actually see it play out.
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Post#36 » by KillahGhostface » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:37 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:
KillahGhostface wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:In a 7-game series in later rounds, that could bite us in the ass. Miami says hi. My suggestion if they keep relying on threes (and can't get to the rim/FT line) is to make most of them. KP to save the day though so as long as they don't forget he exists, we'll be fine.


This team just much better equipped if they’re not hitting from three. Don’t think there’s even a point in comparing any of the past series.

TBD. Hate repeating myself, but it's one thing to talk about it and to actually see it play out.


No, I’ve seen it.

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Post#37 » by playa-hater » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:39 am

Speaking of Lonnie Walker, one of my wish list players. as of Now (9 mins left in the 4th) he has only played 4 minutes so far v GS. Doesn't seem overly valued in Brooklyn. I would throw
a salary Filler + 3 2nd picks at him > PP + 2 firsts for Caruso.

Still would have the TPE + all our 1sts for another move if possible.

make it happen Brad!!
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Post#38 » by KillahGhostface » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:45 am

This isn’t the time to bargain hunt, it’s about improving your title chances for this year and next.

Caruso>>>lonnie.

Just get both.
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Post#39 » by playa-hater » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:50 am

KillahGhostface wrote:This isn’t the time to bargain hunt, it’s about improving your title chances for this year and next.

Caruso>>>lonnie.

Just get both.


That not a bargain hunt. Boston ends up with a possibly good rotation guard all while keeping the Ammo of PP + draft assets for an upfront player.
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Post#40 » by tbceltics34 » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:53 am

playa-hater wrote:Speaking of Lonnie Walker, one of my wish list players. as of Now (9 mins left in the 4th) he has only played 4 minutes so far v GS. Doesn't seem overly valued in Brooklyn. I would throw
a salary Filler + 3 2nd picks at him > PP + 2 firsts for Caruso.

Still would have the TPE + all our 1sts for another move if possible.

make it happen Brad!!


I think the main reason he only played 9 minutes is because he reaggravated his hamstring injury, one I saw that caused him to miss 17 games this season. So that could be something to monitor.

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