Game Thread – Celtics @ Cavaliers – Sun. 6:00PM, Dec. 1, 2024

[Parliament10]

Springer is not a PG on offense, just on defense. He'll be great hounding either Mitchell or Garland. Even 10-12 minutes from him would be helpful (unless he's not). Why I specified Tatum as the point forward in non-PP minutes. I like Peterson but he's spent even less time with the big club. Springer's at least always there in practices and should be familiar with their defensive schemes and the stuff they run on offense.

Just a side-note: I've never seen such dislike for a Celtics player who hasn't even seen real minutes yet. He's never really had the chance since White and PP are always playing. Garbage time doesn't count imo. If BOTH Holiday and White can't go and Springer still doesn't see the floor, you guys can wave the red flag.

I Never liked Springer, from the Start. I didn't like him Before he came here.
I'm even more upset that we have Springer, and Not Lonnie Walker. That does not compute.

But to your point, Springer has had plenty of time to make his way. This is 2nd Year here. You don't just "get" a chance.
You gotta Take it. -- Queta and Walsh came up. Hauser and Kornet before that. Pritchard. White even played in the G League.

So, there's something about Springer, that he hasn't gotten more playing time.
It ain't us, it's him.

Joe doesn't play 12 guys. Doesn't even play 10. Springer won't take away minutes from Holiday, White, and PP. That's just silly.

Yeah, that is silly. But, when you show that you can do something, then you come up, and probably replace injured players.
Like I said, all these other guys came up. It's not new that Springer isn't moving up. He did that, before he came here.

[ConstableGeneva]

I Never liked Springer, from the Start. I didn't like him Before he came here.
I'm even more upset that we have Springer, and Not Lonnie Walker. That does not compute.

But to your point, Springer has had plenty of time to make his way. This is 2nd Year here. You don't just "get" a chance.
You gotta Take it. -- Queta and Walsh came up. Hauser and Kornet before that. Pritchard. White even played in the G League.

So, there's something about Springer, that he hasn't gotten more playing time.
It ain't us, it's him.

Joe doesn't play 12 guys. Doesn't even play 10. Springer won't take away minutes from Holiday, White, and PP. That's just silly.

Yeah, that is silly. But, when you show that you can do something, then you come up, and probably replace injured players.
Like I said, all these other guys came up. It's not new that Springer isn't moving up. He did that, before he came here.

Come up to what? There is no playing time at the guard spot to be had. Springer is 13th or 14th in a 9-man rotation at best. PP had an opening as soon as we traded Smart and Brogdon. Hauser is our only backup wing and has a unique skill that's very useful to our style of play. Those two played more last season because they had opportunity to play.

Hey, Springer could've been acquired solely as a trade chip (his bigger than minimum salary makes him useful in trades for us) but I just don't get how many fans have already dismissed him without even seeing him play other than in Summer League and Preseason (he did well in both as far as I recall).

[playa-hater]

Just play Brown at point.. he likes to dribble a lot plus Joe let's him initiate the offense anyhow.

Kidding. But Tatum can easily pick up the slack if PP needs a break.

[Parliament10]

Joe doesn't play 12 guys. Doesn't even play 10. Springer won't take away minutes from Holiday, White, and PP. That's just silly.

Yeah, that is silly. But, when you show that you can do something, then you come up, and probably replace injured players.
Like I said, all these other guys came up. It's not new that Springer isn't moving up. He did that, before he came here.

Come up to what? There is no playing time at the guard spot to be had. Springer is 13th or 14th in a 9-man rotation at best. PP had an opening as soon as we traded Smart and Brogdon. Hauser is our only backup wing and has a unique skill that's very useful to our style of play. Those two played more last season because they had opportunity to play.

Hey, Springer could've been acquired solely as a trade chip (his bigger than minimum salary makes him useful in trades for us) but I just don't get how many fans have already dismissed him without even seeing him play other than in Summer League and Preseason (he did well in both as far as I recall).

I hear ya. Let's agree to disagree.

[playa-hater]

If both White and Jrue are out (still remains to be seen) then why the hell are we Not bringing up JD? why even have him on our roster then? It' not like he needs to start or play 30 minutes. Just has to spell PP a bit.

[Parliament10]

If both White and Jrue are out (still remains to be seen) then why the hell are we Not bringing up JD? why even have him on our roster then? It' not like he needs to start or play 30 minutes. Just has to spell PP a bit.

Yeah. He's getting that Stepchild treatment (no offense to anyone). Davison, Springer, Lonnie Walker.
He's doing good on Maine.

[ThePigeon]

If both White and Jrue are out (still remains to be seen) then why the hell are we Not bringing up JD? why even have him on our roster then? It' not like he needs to start or play 30 minutes. Just has to spell PP a bit.

Because he is a deer in a headlight while playing with the big kids
Athletic but poor BBIQ and can't defend

Springer can defend but do nothing else good. Combine both and you can have a decent 10th option on the bench

Peterson and Scheierman can handle JD's minutes better

[phincsfan]

I like this Lineup, except for Springer. He hasn't played enough, to know if he can PG the Game.
Probably why we have Peterson and Scheierman with the Boston Club.

Also, this is a Back-to-Back. So, whatever Injuries we're dealing with, are a bit compounded.
We may have a few players doing one Night of the B2B's?

Springer is not a PG on offense, just on defense. He'll be great hounding either Mitchell or Garland. Even 10-12 minutes from him would be helpful (unless he's not). Why I specified Tatum as the point forward in non-PP minutes. I like Peterson but he's spent even less time with the big club. Springer's at least always there in practices and should be familiar with their defensive schemes and the stuff they run on offense.

Just a side-note: I've never seen such dislike for a Celtics player who hasn't even seen real minutes yet. He's never really had the chance since White and PP are always playing. Garbage time doesn't count imo. If BOTH Holiday and White can't go and Springer still doesn't see the floor, you guys can wave the red flag.

I Never liked Springer, from the Start. I didn't like him Before he came here.
I'm even more upset that we have Springer, and Not Lonnie Walker. That does not compute.

But to your point, Springer has had plenty of time to make his way. This is 2nd Year here. You don't just "get" a chance.
You gotta Take it. -- Queta and Walsh came up. Hauser and Kornet before that. Pritchard. White even played in the G League.

So, there's something about Springer, that he hasn't gotten more playing time.
It ain't us, it's him.

I can't knock Stevens for making that move initially. I liked the move and the player at that moment. Not anymore though. You were getting a 21 year old who was an established defender and had some NBA mileage. With the crowded backcourt, that move was really for 24/25 with the hopes he can improve his offensive efficiency and shooting. That obviously didn't go as planned. XMan at least got into games last year because of AL's age and KP's injury. He filled in just fine.

IMO, looking at how Springer hasn't really developed offensively, it's a Springer problem. Going by how PP, Sam and even JD (Maine wise) has developed offensively, it's not a Celtic development problem. It's a Springer problem. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's not playing ball when it comes to possibly playing in Maine. IMO, he should be there for his own good. He needs playing exposure in the worst way if he wants to have a career in the league.

If Lonnie Walker, who can score the ball cannot get some type of deal from an NBA team, than I really hope Springer has been saving all of his rookie deal money.

Stevens may have needed these types of moves to learn from and trust his gut like he did with Walsh. Get them cheap 2nd rd picks who you can control through a team friendly contract and develop them the way you see fit.

I don't know if they made it a priority when they drafted Springer, but Philly should have done a better job developing his offensive game and shooting as soon as they drafted him.

[brackdan70]

If both White and Jrue are out (still remains to be seen) then why the hell are we Not bringing up JD? why even have him on our roster then? It' not like he needs to start or play 30 minutes. Just has to spell PP a bit.

I’d rather Walsh get those minutes and PP plays more. Tatum and Brown can handle.

[ConstableGeneva]

Cleveland's great defensive start to the season didn't last while the Celtics defense is more stable albeit not elite (yet).

October (5 games): 1st in ORtg, 3rd in DRtg
November (15 games): 3rd in ORtg, 20th in DRtg

Celtics:
October (5 games): 2nd in ORtg, 12th in DRtg
November (14 games): 2nd in ORtg, 8th in DRtg

Cavs have also shot sub-60% TS% in 4 of their last 5 games where they've gone 2-3.

[ConstableGeneva]

via @nbagleague:

"JD Davison is now TIED for the No. 1 spot on the @MaineCeltics all-time steals list!
He already ranks first in scoring and in assists. This man is a LEGEND in Maine."

And in Maine, he shall remain? Pretty telling that Cs might not have Holiday & White for the Cavs game while JDD still stays with the Maine club.

JD Davison has been upgraded to AVAILABLE for this game. (White really might be injured then.) KP, Jrue, DWhite, and Horford are all still listed as QUESTIONABLE.

You know nothing, Jon Snow.

[Parliament10]

via @nbagleague:

"JD Davison is now TIED for the No. 1 spot on the @MaineCeltics all-time steals list!
He already ranks first in scoring and in assists. This man is a LEGEND in Maine."

And in Maine, he shall remain? Pretty telling that Cs might not have Holiday & White for the Cavs game while JDD still stays with the Maine club.

JD Davison has been upgraded to AVAILABLE for this game. (White really might be injured then.) KP, Jrue, DWhite, and Horford are all still listed as QUESTIONABLE.

You know nothing, Jon Snow.

Oh wow. 2 x Two-Ways and Scheierman available. We can only have 15-Men on the Active Roster.
That's gotta mean that at least 2 players are OUT?

[redslastlaugh]

If both White and Jrue are out (still remains to be seen) then why the hell are we Not bringing up JD? why even have him on our roster then? It' not like he needs to start or play 30 minutes. Just has to spell PP a bit.

Because he is a deer in a headlight while playing with the big kids
Athletic but poor BBIQ and can't defend

Springer can defend but do nothing else good. Combine both and you can have a decent 10th option on the bench

Peterson and Scheierman can handle JD's minutes better

In fairness to JD he’s never really played with the starters. Last season he logged *0* minutes with Tatum over the entire season. Even the Atlanta game late last season when both White and Holiday were out, they brought JD to Atlanta, activated him and then Joe didn’t play him one second, lol… so I agree with your points, but also they never gave him any kind of chance. Oh and the Atlanta game I referenced was when the Celtics were leading the East by like 14 games and Joe still didn’t play JD, with White AND Jrue out, I was like, lol, okay, it’s just never gonna happen that JD gets a little run with the main dudes… it is what it is

[bisme37]

Sorry for the short notice but could someone please make the postgame thread today?

I'm sick today. Couldn't sleep last night and now I'm exhausted and brain dead. And gross.

I figured I'd power through and make the thread anyway, but it occurs to me there's a good chance I'll doze off and not even be awake at the end of the game. So yeah.

Pretty please with sugar on top.

[ConstableGeneva]

No JB, no White. Even worse, no bisme. Hope we still get the W. Get well soon, the three of you.

Horford, Porzingis, and Holiday all AVAILABLE. We still have enough to win.

[ConstableGeneva]

JUMBO starting lineup... ??

Holiday | Hauser | Tatum | Horford | Porzingis
Pritchard | Walsh | Tillman | Queta

I do think we start Pritchard and just stagger the ballhandler minutes.

[Celts17Pride]

No Jaylen Brown and Derrick White tonight. Shoot!!!!!!

I guess we just win by 20 points tonight.

[meatball sub]

now we can REALLY get in their heads by beating them on the road without 2 of our best 4 players.

[Sweet Serenity]

now we can REALLY get in their heads by beating them on the road without 2 of our best 4 players.

Dean Wade & Strus are the new Middleton so it doesn’t count.

[Romeiro Celtic]

Well, I'm happy the Cavs are finding their way, specially since they fired Bickerstaff and Kenny is doing a hell of a job with them. You can notice the group hasn't changed, it's the same core, just the coach that changed. That's good for them and I hope we do have some nice battles during this season and playoffs.

But I expect the same outcome, since their main core is the same and the ours too. We beat the hell out of them last year and we're going to do the same this year too. KP is back and getting better, PP is looking even better, Tatum and Brown even more mature. Queta stepping up, Hauser being super reliable.

We got this.