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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#21 » by Fierce1 » Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:19 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Javonte Green

Good call, he'd make sense (his salary doesn't work w/Springer though)

Salary works.

Cs can absorb a smaller contract, but not a contract more than 100% of what they're sending out.

Spring's 4m for Javonte's 2m works.
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Post#22 » by phincsfan » Sun Dec 22, 2024 5:02 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:Posted this on reddit but I think with Hauser's back issues, they could use another playable wing.

Guys that work in the trade machine for Springer would be:

Torrey Craig

Noah Clowney (not happening)

Shake Milton

Springer/Walsh for Malik Beasley (probably not happening, Beasley and Detroit have been better than expected)

Seth Curry

Dalano Banton (lol)

Keon Ellis (not happening)

Svi Mykhailuk (lol)


It's funny you say that because on the Kings board they've recently been talking about why he's not involved more in the rotation.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#23 » by phincsfan » Sun Dec 22, 2024 5:11 pm

I would dangle the 25' 1st in a deal with Springer as long as we're getting a 2nd this draft AND a future 1st or very favorable 2nd.

I would love to make a move with Charlotte to get the rights to the Mavs 27' 1st from them or at least one of the two 25' 2nd's they have (Their own, Pels or the Den one).

IMO, they're stuck with Springer. Stevens won't part with that 25' 1st.

If the season ended today, I'd like to move that 25' 1st and get one of the Hornets picks in in the early 2nd and they're late 2nd.

Three 2nd's in the 25' draft Should turn into a productive player
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#24 » by brackdan70 » Sun Dec 22, 2024 5:31 pm

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GoCeltics123 wrote:Posted this on reddit but I think with Hauser's back issues, they could use another playable wing.

Guys that work in the trade machine for Springer would be:

Torrey Craig

Noah Clowney (not happening)

Shake Milton

Springer/Walsh for Malik Beasley (probably not happening, Beasley and Detroit have been better than expected)

Seth Curry

Dalano Banton (lol)

Keon Ellis (not happening)

Svi Mykhailuk (lol)

I personally rather start giving Walsh more minutes. I think he is playable now and will be legit rotation if given the opportunity.

Walsh had a great preseason, but he just can't shoot. We're playing 4v5 when he's on the court.

If he could shoot, then it wouldn't be an issue

I think it’s more of a volume thing. His role when he is on the floor is not to shoot. He has room to improve for sure,
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#25 » by phincsfan » Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:09 pm

C's are 6 and 1 so far without Sam. I'm gonna keep an eye on W's & L's when he's out.

If PP missed 7 games this season would they be 6 and 1?

Nothing against Sam, I'm a huge fan and I'm happy they locked him up this offseason. But with that said, can his contribution be replicated by someone like Peterson next season or can they find a cheaper replacement in a trade? The C's can absorb a salary that's less than his. IMO, Sam can be a starter in this league, so is there a team who has space and believes that also?
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Post#26 » by Fierce1 » Sun Dec 22, 2024 11:27 pm

phincsfan wrote:C's are 6 and 1 so far without Sam. I'm gonna keep an eye on W's & L's when he's out.

If PP missed 7 games this season would they be 6 and 1?

Nothing against Sam, I'm a huge fan and I'm happy they locked him up this offseason. But with that said, can his contribution be replicated by someone like Peterson next season or can they find a cheaper replacement in a trade? The C's can absorb a salary that's less than his. IMO, Sam can be a starter in this league, so is there a team who has space and believes that also?

Bad idea to let Sam go.

He's a pure shooter.

Very hard to find a player like that.

The Cs have been looking for a shooter for years.

RJ Hunter and James Young are just 2 examples.

Cs better off keeping Sam.
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Post#27 » by ConstableGeneva » Sun Dec 22, 2024 11:35 pm

Caruso, $81M 4-yr extension. Congrats!
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#28 » by playa-hater » Mon Dec 23, 2024 3:30 am

brackdan70 wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:Posted this on reddit but I think with Hauser's back issues, they could use another playable wing.

Guys that work in the trade machine for Springer would be:

Torrey Craig

Noah Clowney (not happening)

Shake Milton

Springer/Walsh for Malik Beasley (probably not happening, Beasley and Detroit have been better than expected)

Seth Curry

Dalano Banton (lol)

Keon Ellis (not happening)

Svi Mykhailuk (lol)

I personally rather start giving Walsh more minutes. I think he is playable now and will be legit rotation if given the opportunity.


I want the same and agree on Walsh. But it is clear as Day Joe Mazz will not being giving Walsh any chance to play in rotation this year. Literally doesn't trust him even in December with Hauser down and out. Joe would rather play 8 players and double Big.

So with that said, I would love to add a Wing that Joe would actually play. Of course, that's where it gets hard. Who can we even get to Fit for cheap. Not many choices out there.

It's a shame Boston drafted a wing in Walsh and a 1st a rder Wing again in BS just to fill that need. And we get nothing out of either.
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Post#29 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:38 am

phincsfan wrote:C's are 6 and 1 so far without Sam. I'm gonna keep an eye on W's & L's when he's out.

If PP missed 7 games this season would they be 6 and 1?

Nothing against Sam, I'm a huge fan and I'm happy they locked him up this offseason. But with that said, can his contribution be replicated by someone like Peterson next season or can they find a cheaper replacement in a trade? The C's can absorb a salary that's less than his. IMO, Sam can be a starter in this league, so is there a team who has space and believes that also?

The Celtics have such a big margin of error against most of the league that having one guy out shouldn't (and usually doesn't) really impact their record. They went 12-0 without Brown last season for instance.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#30 » by phincsfan » Mon Dec 23, 2024 5:32 pm

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phincsfan wrote:C's are 6 and 1 so far without Sam. I'm gonna keep an eye on W's & L's when he's out.

If PP missed 7 games this season would they be 6 and 1?

Nothing against Sam, I'm a huge fan and I'm happy they locked him up this offseason. But with that said, can his contribution be replicated by someone like Peterson next season or can they find a cheaper replacement in a trade? The C's can absorb a salary that's less than his. IMO, Sam can be a starter in this league, so is there a team who has space and believes that also?

Bad idea to let Sam go.

He's a pure shooter.

Very hard to find a player like that.

The Cs have been looking for a shooter for years.

RJ Hunter and James Young are just 2 examples.

Cs better off keeping Sam.


Agreed on all the points listed. I've been playing the what if game as far as the 2nd apron and what moves they can make if a new owner wants a cheaper roster. If they win I want them to run it all back for the 3 peat no matter the cost.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#31 » by snowman » Mon Dec 23, 2024 8:58 pm

So, who has the better chance to be with the Celtics next season?

Springer

or

Davison
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Post#32 » by neno » Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:40 pm

snowman wrote:So, who has the better chance to be with the Celtics next season?

Springer

or

Davison

Davison
Not gonna be traded this year
Springer is a gonner
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Post#33 » by playa-hater » Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:01 pm

neno wrote:
snowman wrote:So, who has the better chance to be with the Celtics next season?

Springer

or

Davison

Davison
Not gonna be traded this year
Springer is a gonner


Sounds depressing. Am I wrong for saying that on this planet of 8 billion-ish people, there has to be more deserving people/players than them??
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Post#34 » by Parliament10 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 1:23 am

playa-hater wrote:
neno wrote:
snowman wrote:So, who has the better chance to be with the Celtics next season?

Springer

or

Davison

Davison
Not gonna be traded this year
Springer is a gonner


Sounds depressing. Am I wrong for saying that on this planet of 8 billion-ish people, there has to be more deserving people/players than them??

I'm thinking that neither one, is the highest probability.
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Post#35 » by 165bows » Tue Dec 24, 2024 1:43 pm

playa-hater wrote:
neno wrote:
snowman wrote:So, who has the better chance to be with the Celtics next season?

Springer

or

Davison

Davison
Not gonna be traded this year
Springer is a gonner


Sounds depressing. Am I wrong for saying that on this planet of 8 billion-ish people, there has to be more deserving people/players than them??

I don’t get all the Davison hate. If they’d just spent a 53rd pick in the draft on him at this age and he showed up and made an all G league team what more could you ask of the guy.
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Post#36 » by phincsfan » Tue Dec 24, 2024 2:52 pm

165bows wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
neno wrote:Davison
Not gonna be traded this year
Springer is a gonner


Sounds depressing. Am I wrong for saying that on this planet of 8 billion-ish people, there has to be more deserving people/players than them??

I don’t get all the Davison hate. If they’d just spent a 53rd pick in the draft on him at this age and he showed up and made an all G league team what more could you ask of the guy.


I either give Stevens a ton of credit for continuing to believe in him or feel bad that JD has a special video of him :D
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Post#37 » by playa-hater » Tue Dec 24, 2024 5:00 pm

165bows wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
neno wrote:Davison
Not gonna be traded this year
Springer is a gonner


Sounds depressing. Am I wrong for saying that on this planet of 8 billion-ish people, there has to be more deserving people/players than them??

I don’t get all the Davison hate. If they’d just spent a 53rd pick in the draft on him at this age and he showed up and made an all G league team what more could you ask of the guy.


I obviously do not believe in JD as much as some may do. But I also do not consider it "hate" that I believe there are definitely better players out there.
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Post#38 » by Hal14 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:25 pm

playa-hater wrote:
165bows wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
Sounds depressing. Am I wrong for saying that on this planet of 8 billion-ish people, there has to be more deserving people/players than them??

I don’t get all the Davison hate. If they’d just spent a 53rd pick in the draft on him at this age and he showed up and made an all G league team what more could you ask of the guy.


I obviously do not believe in JD as much may do. But I also do not consider it "hate" that I believe there are definitely better players out there.

Who's more deserving of JD's 2-way contract?

Keep in mind, JD has been learning our system/schemes and getting used to playing with our guys for 3 years, building trust with out coaches, etc. so anyone else you sign to that 2-way contract would be starting from scratch and have an even harder time to crack the rotation than a guy who's been here for 3 years.

Think we might just need to have more realistic expectations of what an end of bench guy or guy on a 2-way contract could give a team that has more depth/talent than any team in the league.

Also, let's factor in that the league expanded from 2 to 3 2-way contract spots. If we still had 2 of those spots, JD might not even be here right now. You likely can't realistically find playing time for all 3 of our 2-way contract guys..just not enough mins to go around, especially on such a deep/talented team.

This isn't rec league where every kid gets to play the same amount and every kid gets a medal. We're trying to win here..and we're doing that. We've been the winningest team in the league these past few years, we're the defending champs, we're the favorites to repeat as champs. Our record and net rating are pretty much in line with where they were at this time last season.

And we're still able to develop our guys..Hauser was undrafted and we've developed him into a rotation player with a sizable contract extension. We developed Pritchard..Peterson and Walsh have been able to get rotation mins this season. Queta has developed and has gotten more mins than he was getting last year, etc.
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Post#39 » by playa-hater » Tue Dec 24, 2024 7:39 pm

Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
165bows wrote:I don’t get all the Davison hate. If they’d just spent a 53rd pick in the draft on him at this age and he showed up and made an all G league team what more could you ask of the guy.


I obviously do not believe in JD as much may do. But I also do not consider it "hate" that I believe there are definitely better players out there.

Who's more deserving of JD's 2-way contract?

Keep in mind, JD has been learning our system/schemes and getting used to playing with our guys for 3 years, building trust with out coaches, etc. so anyone else you sign to that 2-way contract would be starting from scratch and have an even harder time to crack the rotation than a guy who's been here for 3 years.

Think we might just need to have more realistic expectations of what an end of bench guy or guy on a 2-way contract could give a team that has more depth/talent than any team in the league.

Also, let's factor in that the league expanded from 2 to 3 2-way contract spots. If we still had 2 of those spots, JD might not even be here right now. You likely can't realistically find playing time for all 3 of our 2-way contract guys..just not enough mins to go around, especially on such a deep/talented team.

This isn't rec league where every kid gets to play the same amount and every kid gets a medal. We're trying to win here..and we're doing that. We've been the winningest team in the league these past few years, we're the defending champs, we're the favorites to repeat as champs. Our record and net rating are pretty much in line with where they were at this time last season.

And we're still able to develop our guys..Hauser was undrafted and we've developed him into a rotation player with a sizable contract extension. We developed Pritchard..Peterson and Walsh have been able to get rotation mins this season. Queta has developed and has gotten more mins than he was getting last year, etc.


From day one everyone here that was on nose.I believe Sam Hauser was a legit NB.A prospect even when he didn't get much of a chance. I literally do not see any upside with JD on an NBA team. At least not with us.

There are so many players in this world who never get a chance. I am not saying I know who they are. They are unknown quantities. But JD is a known quantity in my opinion. And that's not good enough to be a legit.N b a rotation player. I much rather try some one else.
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Post#40 » by djFan71 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:36 pm

Just spitballing, and I'm not even sure I like it, but...

Springer and BOS 25 first for Curry and 25 NOP 2nd from CHA.

Save money, get a guy that can shoot / Joe might play as a 4th guard when White or Jrue rest.

You move back 2-5 spots in the draft max, get off the guaranteed contract and have most likely the first 2 picks in round 2. With the move back, it's almost one spot less since we have 31 as well, so you're not behind an extra team. Instead of 27-29 & 31 you're 31, 32.

Downside is it screws us for trading UP in the draft.
Also, I'm not sure how toast Seth is on D - not like he was a stalwart in his prime even.
Non-starter deal if Joe won't play him. But, it would be nice to have a 4th guard he will actually use.

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