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In What Ways Would You Reasonably Reform The NBA, going forward?

Eliminate Back-to-Backs.
15
16%
Reform Shooter Initiated Fouls – to be Offensive Fouls
15
16%
Increase the NBA Court size – (At least 6 ft, in width and length.)
5
5%
Increase the number of Referees. (I.e: 4-5 On-Court. 1 on Replays. 1 In-Training [from G-League].)
4
4%
Coach's Challenge – Increase = 2 initially, expandable to 4.
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8%
Draft – Add a 3rd+ Round(s), for Drafting Two-Way Players, etc.
5
5%
Increase to up to 5 x Two-Ways per Team.
6
6%
Expand League – To at least 32 Teams.
11
12%
Decrease the number of Regular Season Games Played.
15
16%
Other Ideas.
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12%
 
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Post#21 » by return2glory » Sat Feb 15, 2025 6:14 pm

Put a cap on 3 point attempts a game. The increasing number of 3 point shots over the years had made the NBA boring. Players come down the court and take a 3. One pass, take a 3. Or 2 passes and take a 3. It's taken the creativity of the game away.

Set a cap of 30 3 point shots per game, per team. After the 30th 3 point attempt, all 3 point shots made count as 2 points. That would discourage teams from jacking up so many 3s. The one exception would be the last 5 minute of games, where all 3s count as 3s.
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Post#22 » by ParticleMan » Sat Feb 15, 2025 6:22 pm

The only thing I'd like to see is the 3pt line moved back to 27 feet, without connecting to the baseline.

This will force teams to run a proper offense instead of just hunting+jacking 3's. Let's keep 3pters for the elite shooters... like KP :)
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Post#23 » by jmr07019 » Sat Feb 15, 2025 6:23 pm

Stop waiting to see if the ball goes in before deciding to call a foul. Stop giving the stars different rules from the other 420 players in the league.

The timing is unfortunate for Celtics fans but the new cap rules will bring a lot of parity to the league and that’s a good thing long term.

I also think the league needs to do a better job with marketing. They’re still trying to push Steph and LeBron and don’t highlight the younger guys enough. How many rockets grizzlies or thunder could a casual name?
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Post#24 » by djFan71 » Sat Feb 15, 2025 6:34 pm

Addressing the supermax is a good one. If you keep it, the extra shouldn’t count against the cap, tax or apron. Team still needs to pay the extra base, but there’s no absurd multiplier penalties that make them not want to.
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Post#25 » by jmr07019 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:47 am

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Post#26 » by djFan71 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 3:48 am

jmr07019 wrote:One thing I like about Joe is he thinks outside the box and isn’t afraid to speak his mind

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Post#27 » by 31to6 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 7:32 am

I voted “other ideas” to indicate that I have no other ideas.

I think most things you’ve proposed aren’t happening for monetary purposes (fewer games, converting courtside seats into a larger court), and I don’t see how others (like a 3rd round of the draft or more two-ways) leads to a better product for me to enjoy.

I guess I have one suggestion: eliminate the Lakers
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Post#28 » by GrandTheftRondo » Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:17 am

jmr07019 wrote:Stop waiting to see if the ball goes in before deciding to call a foul. Stop giving the stars different rules from the other 420 players in the league.

The timing is unfortunate for Celtics fans but the new cap rules will bring a lot of parity to the league and that’s a good thing long term.

I also think the league needs to do a better job with marketing. They’re still trying to push Steph and LeBron and don’t highlight the younger guys enough. How many rockets grizzlies or thunder could a casual name?

I don’t agree.

They all pooed their pants too much over the Warriors ending up with Durant and the league being predictable for a few years. In reality that was a fluke brought about by the cap at the time.

I don’t know why the league wants to punish contenders for building an elite roster by forcing them to constantly offload money because of the new rules.

Maybe some people want to see random teams win every year but I’ve always most enjoyed that the NBA has had a great bunch of rivalries between contenders over the years.

I don’t want to see someone like Jokic spend his prime years after winning a ring on a team that loses talent not getting back to the finals because the cap rules dictate it wouldn’t be financially viable. I want to see the best players competing for titles.

I don’t enjoy how much player movement there is these days in the span of 3-4 years. I find it far more rewarding watching teams like the Warriors, our Celtics, the Thunder etc grow together and eventually end up getting to the finals etc.

People already talk about how the NBA is full of players who just want to give up on their teams and join forces for easy rings. Why are we implementing cap rules that make this kind of thing more prominent because teams will be even more ruthless with giving away players to ensure they don’t overspend.
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Post#29 » by Parliament10 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:14 pm

31to6 wrote:I voted “other ideas” to indicate that I have no other ideas.

I think most things you’ve proposed aren’t happening for monetary purposes (fewer games, converting courtside seats into a larger court), and I don’t see how others (like a 3rd round of the draft or more two-ways) leads to a better product for me to enjoy.

I guess I have one suggestion: eliminate the Lakers
One NBA team per city and LAC gets it. Buh bye

I believe that some of the Reform Ideas have been Addressed, and others continue to be Reviewed.:

Two-Ways.
Coaches Challenge.
Take Fouls.
Reducing Back-to-Backs.
Court Size.
Expanding League.
Other Concerns, etc.
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Post#30 » by phincsfan » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:50 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:I like getting rid of back to backs and reducing regular season games.
I like league expansion but that makes the other two more difficult.
I also think the current CBA goes a bit far with the repeater tax penalties and 2nd apron shenanigans.
Yeah give the coaches one more challenge as well.


Getting rid of back to backs would be tough because the league needs 82 games for its TV deals. League average is 15 back to backs for each team. That's a lot of games to give up for ticket revenue and TV contracts.

I think that they only need 70 Games, to fulfill their Contract?


Didn't know that.

Also, shortening the season will definitely affect arena revenue for owners.
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Post#31 » by Parliament10 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 3:13 pm

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phincsfan wrote:
Getting rid of back to backs would be tough because the league needs 82 games for its TV deals. League average is 15 back to backs for each team. That's a lot of games to give up for ticket revenue and TV contracts.

I think that they only need 70 Games, to fulfill their Contract?


Didn't know that.

Also, shortening the season will definitely affect arena revenue for owners.

Yeah. IINM, that's why they went ahead with the "Bubble Season".
They needed to have at least a 70-Game Regular Season, to get full payment from the RSN's.

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Post#32 » by ThePigeon » Sun Feb 16, 2025 3:43 pm

1. Change the CBA to get long lasting rivalries (Celtics - Lakers, CHI - Jazz, Celtics - DET, Celtics - 76ers, MIA - SA)
2. Play less regular season games and introduce a real Cup tournament - with G-League and European teams
Start with 128 teams
3. Cancel the all-star and clown festivities
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Post#33 » by jmr07019 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:54 pm

This is a great suggestion

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Post#34 » by jmr07019 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 12:01 am

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jmr07019 wrote:Stop waiting to see if the ball goes in before deciding to call a foul. Stop giving the stars different rules from the other 420 players in the league.

The timing is unfortunate for Celtics fans but the new cap rules will bring a lot of parity to the league and that’s a good thing long term.

I also think the league needs to do a better job with marketing. They’re still trying to push Steph and LeBron and don’t highlight the younger guys enough. How many rockets grizzlies or thunder could a casual name?

I don’t agree.

They all pooed their pants too much over the Warriors ending up with Durant and the league being predictable for a few years. In reality that was a fluke brought about by the cap at the time.

I don’t know why the league wants to punish contenders for building an elite roster by forcing them to constantly offload money because of the new rules.

Maybe some people want to see random teams win every year but I’ve always most enjoyed that the NBA has had a great bunch of rivalries between contenders over the years.

I don’t want to see someone like Jokic spend his prime years after winning a ring on a team that loses talent not getting back to the finals because the cap rules dictate it wouldn’t be financially viable. I want to see the best players competing for titles.

I don’t enjoy how much player movement there is these days in the span of 3-4 years. I find it far more rewarding watching teams like the Warriors, our Celtics, the Thunder etc grow together and eventually end up getting to the finals etc.

People already talk about how the NBA is full of players who just want to give up on their teams and join forces for easy rings. Why are we implementing cap rules that make this kind of thing more prominent because teams will be even more ruthless with giving away players to ensure they don’t overspend.


You make some good points. I don’t want to see teams broken apart because of cap rules but at the same time I don’t want teams buying championships by outspending the competition. Baseball is a joke. A hard cap makes the most sense to me, we’ll see what comes of these new rules.

Worth pointing out though that Denver still has Gordon, MPJ and Murray. They kept the core together. Boston was able to load up, last year everyone said we wouldn’t be able to keep the team together and we paid everyone. Maybe it gets broken apart this offseason but mostly likely both Jays will still be here with at least one if not two other highly paid starters.
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Post#35 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Feb 17, 2025 2:35 pm

You want to fix the NBA?

Three words - Non Guaranteed Contracts!

Anything else doesn't matter, the guaranteed money is too large.
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Post#36 » by shackles10 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 2:47 pm

I don’t dislike Kevin Hart but I dislike him for the NBA. Less Kevin Hart is my suggestion.
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Post#37 » by phincsfan » Mon Feb 17, 2025 2:58 pm

A team who had top 6 lottery selections MULTIPLE years over the last 11 years:

Magic - 13' Oladipo (2), 14' Gordon (4), 15' Hezonja (5), 17' Isaac (6), 18' Bamba (6), 21' Suggs (5), 22' Banchero (1), 23' Black (6).

8 top 6 picks over a 11 year period. And I'm pretty sure all the picks were the Magic picks solely, not acquired through trades.

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Post#38 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:39 pm

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If the NFL was the 3rd most popular sport and trending down people would be saying things like "Why TF do we kick extra points instead of just taking 1 or deciding to go for 2?" "Can we just give one side the ball at the start of halves" "There are too many flags and replays" etc.

It's easy to take a sport that seems like it's lost something in rizz and apply explanations to it. The NBA is struggling to make Jokic vs Giannis vs SGA vs Doncic type era have the rivalry aura like a Mahomes vs Allen vs Jackson vs Burrow etc. You can just kind of feel it. To use a wrestling term the stars aren't getting over quite as much. It's like how in baseball by 2010s stars weren't getting over as much as in early 2000s when it seemed like the Red Sox and Yankees had 4-5 iconic players each. SGA's current level at the most popular, MJ/Kobe position could be bigger with the casual public for example.

My real explanation, it has more to do with the world changing, Gen Z is different psychologically than any millennials and X, it seems like people are emotionally divided and inaccessible making it difficult to create the feeling of monocultural sporting event interest with young people, or it just got condensed into one in the NFL. It's just not the same environment as in 2000s so the end result could be weird one way or the other. Much like how there is vast difference in popularity between eg. mainstream rock bands, R rated comedies, etc. 20 years ago to now, people's relationship to sports or which ones could also change. Maybe MLB will reclaim its #2 spot - idk.
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Post#39 » by Parliament10 » Tue Feb 18, 2025 1:02 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Spammer

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Spoiler:
If the NFL was the 3rd most popular sport and trending down people would be saying things like "Why TF do we kick extra points instead of just taking 1 or deciding to go for 2?" "Can we just give one side the ball at the start of halves" "There are too many flags and replays" etc.

It's easy to take a sport that seems like it's lost something in rizz and apply explanations to it. The NBA is struggling to make Jokic vs Giannis vs SGA vs Doncic type era have the rivalry aura like a Mahomes vs Allen vs Jackson vs Burrow etc. You can just kind of feel it. To use a wrestling term the stars aren't getting over quite as much. It's like how in baseball by 2010s stars weren't getting over as much as in early 2000s when it seemed like the Red Sox and Yankees had 4-5 iconic players each. SGA's current level at the most popular, MJ/Kobe position could be bigger with the casual public for example.

My real explanation, it has more to do with the world changing, Gen Z is different psychologically than any millennials and X, it seems like people are emotionally divided and inaccessible making it difficult to create the feeling of monocultural sporting event interest with young people, or it just got condensed into one in the NFL. It's just not the same environment as in 2000s so the end result could be weird one way or the other. Much like how there is vast difference in popularity between eg. mainstream rock bands, R rated comedies, etc. 20 years ago to now, people's relationship to sports or which ones could also change. Maybe MLB will reclaim its #2 spot - idk.

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Post#40 » by Fierce1 » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:10 am

I think adding a 4-point line would be interesting.

It's just like adding those Starry balls in the 3pt contest at All-Star weekend.

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