The disrespect directed towards Joe needs to stop.

[165bows]

Fans get invested emotionally in the players, the head coach not so much. So when a loss happens it's easier to blame the coach than the shortcomings of the players you have an emotional connection with.

I can't believe that anybody seriously believes Mazzulla is holding back the Celtics by somehow taking a roster with one legit All NBA player to top 3 marks on offense, defense and at least to the conference finals every season.

StACKeD tEam tho bro

[Hal14]

One example of coaching doing its job is making sure KP plays well in Game 4.

KP was horrible in Game 3.

Celts made sure KP got going in the 1st qtr. by running plays for him.

That got KP going as KP was able to get dunks in that 1st qtr.

That's coaching.

Plus, Joe has done a good job of finding that balance with KP's playing time. Sitting him out certain reg season games. And not overdoing it with his minutes in other reg season/playoff games in order to get production out of him but keep him healthy at the same time.

Not an easy balance to find at all. And if KP goes down for an extended period of time, our title chances go down significantly.

[Fierce1]

Just for comparison.

Redick only played 5 guys the entire 2nd half in the loss to Minny.

That's ZERO substitutions for an entire 24 minutes.

Imagine if Joe did that.

[ConstableGeneva]

Joe eats our disrespect for breakfast, poops it out, and uses it to grow his vegetables in his backyard.

Feels like he needs the disrespect to continue to eat. So, Floody100 wants Joe to starve? Not cool, Floody. Not cool.

If this continues, he'll have enough compost to grow a vineyard in his hometown Rhode Island.

[phincsfan]

I'm pretty sure Joe prefers the disrespect over the love

[Kaykoose]

Celtics won the title last year. They won 61 games this year and are on their way to a 2nd round appearance. If you want to critique Joe or a player then fine, but it can be done with respect. The bs in the game threads is not it. I have a more enjoyable time reading the general board threads as a Celtics fan... I think that's pretty telling.

[Fierce1]

It was only 2 years ago that Spo was the best coach in the NBA and Joe is one of the worst.

Heat losing by 55 points in an elimination game is really embarrassing.

[GreenBloodedC]

Is he perfect? No.
Is he as good as Spo and other great coaches? Some nights, yes, most maybe not.
But is he terrible? Absolutely not, and perhaps that's all I could ask for unless someone like Brad would be willing to coach again.

He brought us a title. While I understand that anything less than a title is a disappointment for the Celtics and the city of Boston, a lot of fans do not even see their team win a chip during their lifetime.

With that said, I'll always be a supporter.

[The Corey's]

It was only 2 years ago that Spo was the best coach in the NBA and Joe is one of the worst.

Heat losing by 55 points in an elimination game is really embarrassing.

This is the icing on the cake of bad takes.

Just say it. Joe is a better coach than Spo. Otherwise what is it you're trying to accomplish with this odd analogy?

Are you implying that Joe would of taken that Miami roster further?

[Fierce1]

It was only 2 years ago that Spo was the best coach in the NBA and Joe is one of the worst.

Heat losing by 55 points in an elimination game is really embarrassing.

This is the icing on the cake of bad takes.

Just say it. Joe is a better coach than Spo. Otherwise what is it you're trying to accomplish with this odd analogy?

Are you implying that Joe would of taken that Miami roster further?

Right now I can't say Joe is better than Spo.

Sample size is still small.

You misinterpreted the analogy.

I've always said the players make the coach and not the other way around.

My stand on the issue is it can't be a one way street where every loss is Joe's fault or Joe is a bad coach.

That's just being unreasonable.

The Celtics are always one of the top offenses in the NBA since Joe became coach.

So saying Joe is bad as a coach is just not true because the win-loss record and the offensive and defensive rating tells us the Celtics are an elite team.

[return2glory]

I have a few issues at times with Joe's rotations. I get on him for that at times. But I'm talking about our 8th, 9th or 10th man.
Beginning of last season, I said Joe is special. There is something really unique about him, in a really good way. Overall, he is a really good coach.
I think we are lucky to have him. That goes for Sam too.

[31to6]

Some posters are sure they can design better offensive sets or utilize the deeper bench better than Mazzulla = whatever.
But substantively, in 3 years as the youngest coach in the league: got to G7 ECF, then won a chip, then won 61 games and I can't even remember the last time there was a peep out of the locker room. There's no dissension or discord or ruffled feathers or anything other than a bunch of professional athletes staying pretty locked in on what matters. Credit Cassell with some of this, credit Al and Jrue and other players for a bunch of this, cool. But credit has to be given to the HC, too.

The team is locked in the vast majority of the time and plays both sides of the ball in a way that has them with a legitimate chance to repeat.

The Celtics' best player goes down playoffs G1 and Joe yells GET UP at him.
I **** love that.
I hope others appreciate it, too.

[The Corey's]

It was only 2 years ago that Spo was the best coach in the NBA and Joe is one of the worst.

Heat losing by 55 points in an elimination game is really embarrassing.

This is the icing on the cake of bad takes.

Just say it. Joe is a better coach than Spo. Otherwise what is it you're trying to accomplish with this odd analogy?

Are you implying that Joe would of taken that Miami roster further?

Right now I can't say Joe is better than Spo.

Sample size is still small.

You misinterpreted the analogy.

I've always said the players make the coach and not the other way around.

My stand on the issue is it can't be a one way street where every loss is Joe's fault or Joe is a bad coach.

That's just being unreasonable.

The Celtics are always one of the top offenses in the NBA since Joe became coach.

So saying Joe is bad as a coach is just not true because the win-loss record and the offensive and defensive rating tells us the Celtics are an elite team.

I can say right now that he will never ever be better than Spo.


If your take is that the coach is only as good as his players then obviously coaching isn't all that important to you.

I guess if your metric is wins and loses then he's the best coach of all time.

Which you probably aren't even willing to say but perhaps maybe you are.

[shackles10]

Joe eats our disrespect for breakfast, poops it out, and uses it to grow his vegetables in his backyard.

I bet that veggie plate tastes like blood... and I'd try a bite at least

[Fierce1]

This is the icing on the cake of bad takes.

Just say it. Joe is a better coach than Spo. Otherwise what is it you're trying to accomplish with this odd analogy?

Are you implying that Joe would of taken that Miami roster further?

Right now I can't say Joe is better than Spo.

Sample size is still small.

You misinterpreted the analogy.

I've always said the players make the coach and not the other way around.

My stand on the issue is it can't be a one way street where every loss is Joe's fault or Joe is a bad coach.

That's just being unreasonable.

The Celtics are always one of the top offenses in the NBA since Joe became coach.

So saying Joe is bad as a coach is just not true because the win-loss record and the offensive and defensive rating tells us the Celtics are an elite team.

I can say right now that he will never ever be better than Spo.


If your take is that the coach is only as good as his players then obviously coaching isn't all that important to you.

I guess if your metric is wins and loses then he's the best coach of all time.

Which you probably aren't even willing to say but perhaps maybe you are.

I'm a Celtic fan and I'm enjoying this era of Celtics basketball because they're winning way, way more than they're losing.

So yeah, I really don't care who the coach is as long as my team keeps winning.

Ain't the goal is to win and not to have the best coach in the league?

We had one of the best basketball minds in Brad Stevens and he couldn't take the Cs to the Finals even when he had 3 trips to the ECF.

Your metric of Joe being a bad coach is because according to you he's not good at in-game adjustments.

Joe is about the math.
He believes in his system and he's betting that for every loss he wins 2 or 3 or 4.

So what if you lose a game or two but still ending up with 4 wins first.

The 16-3 postseason record last year is one of the best in league history.

Part of that success is the coach and some of you guys refuse to admit that.

[The Corey's]

Right now I can't say Joe is better than Spo.

Sample size is still small.

You misinterpreted the analogy.

I've always said the players make the coach and not the other way around.

My stand on the issue is it can't be a one way street where every loss is Joe's fault or Joe is a bad coach.

That's just being unreasonable.

The Celtics are always one of the top offenses in the NBA since Joe became coach.

So saying Joe is bad as a coach is just not true because the win-loss record and the offensive and defensive rating tells us the Celtics are an elite team.

I can say right now that he will never ever be better than Spo.


If your take is that the coach is only as good as his players then obviously coaching isn't all that important to you.

I guess if your metric is wins and loses then he's the best coach of all time.

Which you probably aren't even willing to say but perhaps maybe you are.

I'm a Celtic fan and I'm enjoying this era of Celtics basketball because they're winning way, way more than they're losing.

So yeah, I really don't care who the coach is as long as my team keeps winning.

Ain't the goal is to win and not to have the best coach in the league?

We had one of the best basketball minds in Brad Stevens and he couldn't take the Cs to the Finals even when he had 3 trips to the ECF.

Your metric of Joe being a bad coach is because according to you he's not good at in-game adjustments.

Joe is about the math.
He believes in his system and he's betting that for every loss he wins 2 or 3 or 4.

So what if you lose a game or two but still ending up with 4 wins first.

The 16-3 postseason record last year is one of the best in league history.

Part of that success is the coach and some of you guys refuse to admit that.

You are all over the place. If the Celtics are having a hard time scoring against the magic, if they can't find a way to get their 3 off, if Joe sits there with his hands in his pocket when magic clear out a 12 point deficit in 2 minutes then bro is gonna hear it from me and others.

This non sense that I have to enjoy the Celtics run because they're winning without scrutiny is ridiculous.

You've not once addressed what makes him a good coach. Even you would have a .700 winning percentage with this roster. It's not impressive.

As for your Stevens slander. I'd live to see what Joe would do with Marcus smart for 10 years. What he would do with Kelly olynyk and Isaiah Thomas. Or how he would handle that bum of negativity Irving.

Give me a break dude. Stevens is why the Celtics were competitive all those years. He's been retired for 4 seasons now. He didn't have the Jays in their prime. He had them when they was going, working their way up the NBA ladder while the Celtics waited their turn because that's how the NBA works.

Anyway. We get it. Joe a genius. Ime and Brad couldn't win the ship and were all crazy for not giving Joe any credit.

[Fierce1]

Nobody is saying Joe is a genius.

But saying that Joe is a bad coach is not accurate.

That's all.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

You are all over the place. If the Celtics are having a hard time scoring against the magic, if they can't find a way to get their 3 off, if Joe sits there with his hands in his pocket when magic clear out a 12 point deficit in 2 minutes then bro is gonna hear it from me and others.

This non sense that I have to enjoy the Celtics run because they're winning without scrutiny is ridiculous.

You've not once addressed what makes him a good coach. Even you would have a .700 winning percentage with this roster. It's not impressive.

As for your Stevens slander. I'd live to see what Joe would do with Marcus smart for 10 years. What he would do with Kelly olynyk and Isaiah Thomas. Or how he would handle that bum of negativity Irving.

Give me a break dude. Stevens is why the Celtics were competitive all those years. He's been retired for 4 seasons now. He didn't have the Jays in their prime. He had them when they was going, working their way up the NBA ladder while the Celtics waited their turn because that's how the NBA works.

Anyway. We get it. Joe a genius. Ime and Brad couldn't win the ship and were all crazy for not giving Joe any credit.

Are the Celtics really struggling to score against the Magic though ? Boston had an offensive rating of 119.5 in the regular season, 5.8 points better than league average. The Celtics have an offensive rating of 114.4 in this series, 5.3 points more than the Magic gave up in the regular season. So adjusting for the quality of the opposing defense, it's pretty much in line with the rest of the year despite missing Tatum for a much bigger share of games than during the regular season. But sure let's blame Mazzulla for the fact that Orlando has the number two defense in the league. That makes total sense

[The Corey's]

You are all over the place. If the Celtics are having a hard time scoring against the magic, if they can't find a way to get their 3 off, if Joe sits there with his hands in his pocket when magic clear out a 12 point deficit in 2 minutes then bro is gonna hear it from me and others.

This non sense that I have to enjoy the Celtics run because they're winning without scrutiny is ridiculous.

You've not once addressed what makes him a good coach. Even you would have a .700 winning percentage with this roster. It's not impressive.

As for your Stevens slander. I'd live to see what Joe would do with Marcus smart for 10 years. What he would do with Kelly olynyk and Isaiah Thomas. Or how he would handle that bum of negativity Irving.

Give me a break dude. Stevens is why the Celtics were competitive all those years. He's been retired for 4 seasons now. He didn't have the Jays in their prime. He had them when they was going, working their way up the NBA ladder while the Celtics waited their turn because that's how the NBA works.

Anyway. We get it. Joe a genius. Ime and Brad couldn't win the ship and were all crazy for not giving Joe any credit.

Are the Celtics really struggling to score against the Magic though ? Boston had an offensive rating of 119.5 in the regular season, 5.8 points better than league average. The Celtics have an offensive rating of 114.4 in this series, 5.3 points more than the Magic gave up in the regular season. So adjusting for the quality of the opposing defense, it's pretty much in line with the rest of the year despite missing Tatum for a much bigger share of games than during the regular season. But sure let's blame Mazzulla for the fact that Orlando has the number two defense in the league. That makes total sense

So are you saying the Celtics have no chance against OKC?

[playa-hater]

I swore I wouldn't address this thread. I Failed! But just once. I have retired all my debates on Joe for the good or bad. Why? It's pretty simple. No one is or will be changing their opinion on Joe. Everyone is fully entrenched on the battlefield somewhere and no one is coming out.

But this is a message board so feel free to "fire away"

Me, I will be focusing everything on the actual games and the Draft of-course. There is enough Joy and stress in that.

So carry on you beaches!! On that note, I live on the beach and will be getting nicely sun soaked waiting for showtime!!