2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[Celts17Pride]

Giannis staying in MIL is good for us I think.

and I was so certain after reading posts in this forum that he was coming to Boston for Jaylen Brown

[Celts17Pride]

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[Larry_Russell]

Good luck with that Giannis.

No picks, No capspace, no good youth.

lolol


Management destroyed that team.

[djFan71]

New JB trade idea! I'm pretty not on board with trading him, but everything else has been covered so:

JB to DET for:
- Jaden Ivey
- Ron Holland II
- Tobias Harris (expiring filler - placeholder for Tatum)
- 27 DET first
- 29 DET first
- 31 DET first
- 28 2nd via CHA or LAC
- 29 2nd via MIL

It's a pupu platter for sure. But Ivey and Holland have some real upside. Saves $7.7M this year, then Harris' $26.6M expires. And lots of picks for future deals. Most will be 20s if that teams is any good, which it should be. I wanted to include Duren, but it doesn't make sense for DET then, imo. You could get Stewart, but it's less $ saved then. So, overall pretty meh other than the financials and sheer # of picks.

DET has Cade, JB, Ausar, Duren, Stewart, Sasser and brings back Beasley, Schroeder and Hardaway Jr. That's a really solid squad.

I really don't do it, but if we are in "duck the tax the next 2 years" mode and ATL doesn't wanna send us their stuff, here you go. You get more rotation level type guys back from the Jrue/KP deals.

Somebody stop me, but.... add Jrue to DAL to that (for Gafford, Marshall, Martin) and a separate deal with ORL/BKN (that also sends Martin). End up with:

Pritchard, White, Naji Marshall, WCJ, Gafford
Ivey, Scheierman, Holland, Harris, Kornet
Walsh, 28, Queta
* Tatum
- 27 DET first
- 29 DET first
- 31 DET first
- 28 2nd via CHA or LAC
- 29 2nd via MIL
BOS own 2026 pick is pretty good as well.

$2.3M under the tax if you give Kornet $6M, so you could possibly give $5M instead and get another vet min to fill the roster.

32 is probably send to ORL for 45 to DAL to help grease wheels. (ORL paying BKN to take KCP/Martin with 25 or future, getting 32), DAL getting 45 to do Martin/Marshall instead of Klay)

[playa-hater]

New JB trade idea! I'm pretty not on board with trading him, but everything else has been covered so:

JB to DET for:
- Jaden Ivey
- Ron Holland II
- Tobias Harris (expiring filler - placeholder for Tatum)
- 27 DET first
- 29 DET first
- 31 DET first
- 28 2nd via CHA or LAC
- 29 2nd via MIL

It's a pupu platter for sure. But Ivey and Holland have some real upside. Saves $7.7M this year, then Harris' $26.6M expires. And lots of picks for future deals. Most will be 20s if that teams is any good, which it should be. I wanted to include Duren, but it doesn't make sense for DET then, imo. You could get Stewart, but it's less $ saved then. So, overall pretty meh other than the financials and sheer # of picks.

DET has Cade, JB, Ausar, Duren, Stewart, Sasser and brings back Beasley, Schroeder and Hardaway Jr. That's a really solid squad.

I really don't do it, but if we are in "duck the tax the next 2 years" mode and ATL doesn't wanna send us their stuff, here you go. You get more rotation level type guys back from the Jrue/KP deals.

That's actually a good return. But I would be scared of giving him and cade cunningham together.

[djFan71]

New JB trade idea! I'm pretty not on board with trading him, but everything else has been covered so:

JB to DET for:
- Jaden Ivey
- Ron Holland II
- Tobias Harris (expiring filler - placeholder for Tatum)
- 27 DET first
- 29 DET first
- 31 DET first
- 28 2nd via CHA or LAC
- 29 2nd via MIL

It's a pupu platter for sure. But Ivey and Holland have some real upside. Saves $7.7M this year, then Harris' $26.6M expires. And lots of picks for future deals. Most will be 20s if that teams is any good, which it should be. I wanted to include Duren, but it doesn't make sense for DET then, imo. You could get Stewart, but it's less $ saved then. So, overall pretty meh other than the financials and sheer # of picks.

DET has Cade, JB, Ausar, Duren, Stewart, Sasser and brings back Beasley, Schroeder and Hardaway Jr. That's a really solid squad.

I really don't do it, but if we are in "duck the tax the next 2 years" mode and ATL doesn't wanna send us their stuff, here you go. You get more rotation level type guys back from the Jrue/KP deals.

That's actually a good return. But I would be scared of giving him and cade cunningham together.

Yeah, that's a heck of a team I left DET with. I really like Ausar too.

[celtxman]

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A lot of the focus for re-signing guys is on Horford/Kornet, but Craig could be a guy to consider. Didn't play much for us or CHI last year but in the season prior he played a pretty decent 20 minutes per game. Tatum really was the only real PF on the team. Otherwise it was double bigs with Horford there or going really light with Brown/Hauser playing there. Craig addresses that positional area (not that he's a prototypical PF sized player, but playing style wise he's more natural there than anyone else we have).

It's certainly a good idea to keep Craig around to give him a real shot.

[redslastlaugh]

I think you're overreacting.

yes, probably so. It's not my money (regarding the lux taxes) and we've made 7 conference finals in the last decade so the front office is doing something right, lol

-You say Scheierman played not even 400 mins as a rookie and will be 25 in the fall. Well that's like 3x the minutes that Hauser played as a rookie and Hauser was about the same age. Seems like Scheierman is on track to be as good as Hauser or perhaps better

I would have liked if Scheierman couldve played a lot more. I was looking at the 2005 Celts (like I wrote earlier in the thread) and the rookies and sophomores on that team (banks, Perkins, Jefferson, West, Allen and Reed) played a combined 4,000 minutes that season even on a playoff team with 45 wins.

My objective with a promising rookie would be to play him 1,000 minutes to bring him up to speed as fast as possible so that by years 3 and 4 of the rookie deal you are maxing out his production. Denver did a great job of this with Christian Braun (1100 minutes as a rook)...

-We traded back after trading for the 25th pick, yes. But rumor has it, Walsh is the guy Brad wanted at 25. So he was able to trade back, pick up 4 extra 2nd rounders and still get his guy. Brilliant GM'ing. Walsh hasn't worked out so great so far, but the hit rate is pretty low for any pick 25 or later. Also, Walsh is only 21 yrs old, only played 2 NBA seasons. A lot of guys don't really find their groove till year 3 (or even year 4) in the league. I wouldn't write him off yet..

-If we look at the guys who got picked in the 25-38 range in 2023, it's hard to really even say that Brad missed by picking Walsh..it's not like a list 13 studs with Walsh being the only dud. I guess Strawther is a guy you could look at and say, gosh we could've taken him at 25 instead..especially with his shooting ability and how our offense looks for 3's. But still, that's what, like 1 out of 14 picks in that range of the draft that has hit so far? Can't really fault Brad for missing when the odds are so low. And all of those other GM's in that range missed too. Plus Denver has really been weak these past 2 years in terms of wing depth...which has allowed Strawther to get lots of playing time. He likely wouldn't have gotten even close to that amount of playing time here. Plus he's playing in a system in Denver with lots of ball movement, player movement and one of the greatest passers of all time which allows him to take open looks - in rhythm. It wouldn't be the same in Boston so he likely wouldn't be as effective here.

-We could look at the 2024 draft and do the same thing..if you say we should've taken our 4 2nd rounders and traded up..that gets us where, to like the 19-25 range? Who are we taking there instead of Scheierman? I guess maybe we could've taken Yves Missi. But is he any better than Queta? There's a chance he would've just gotten buried on the depth chart behind all these other bigs we have. As I mentioned earlier, Scheierman is looking like a good pick for where we drafted him..hard to complain much, especially if he ends up being like Hauser..possibly better

-We've traded 1st round picks for Horford, D-white, Brogdon (who we traded along with 2 more 1st rounders for Jrue) ..I think overall the strategy has worked out well..that strategy played a huge role in us winning the 2024 NBA title

I love Brad's work during the 2023 draft. Walking away with 4 future seconds and Jordan Walsh was pretty impressive. I know that Mike Zarren, Austin Ainge and Remy Cofield were pretty instrumental in those deals and 2/3 of them aren't with the team anymore. But it was a great draft night, I thought.

I don't think the problem was Jordan Walsh was the wrong pick. Obviously, in retrospect you can make a case Toumani Camara, Jaylen Clark, a few other guys would have been better picks. But Jordan looked good in his rookie year, he went pretty badly backwards this year, shooting more 3's and not hitting those shots. So I wouldnt be surprised if Walsh is not back on the C's but he could still turn out to be a good NBA player.

I would have loved if Brad took the four 2nd rounders he got in 2023 and (rather than going after a Jaden Springer) used them to add another pick. I'd be intrigued if Mogbo or Furphy or Ajay Mitchell was signed with us for 3 more years. Part of the draft strategy I'd prefer requires taking multiple swings even knowing most picks don't pan out.

Brad just has hardly taken any draft swings.

I think also, fundamentally, part of GMing is finding value. Just independent of anything else, part of the job is finding value -- getting a valuable asset for a much lesser asset. For instance, look at former celtic Isiaih Thomas. A GM could look at Isiaih Thomas and see a 5-10 combo guard thats gonna go late in the draft. But if that GM had a crystal ball and saw IT would become a 28 ppg scorer and top 5 MVP finisher, the GM would be extremely excited to get this return for a #60 pick.

But coaches don't think like GMs. No part of coaching is about finding value. If you're a coach and your scheme requires a 6-5, 225lb point of attack defender, you dont want a 5-10 combo guard, you want players who can execute your scheme.

So this is my critique of Brad as a drafter, he is not aiming for value in the draft so much as he is trying to find players that fit his coach's scheme and playstyle. It's just a way different approach than someone like Danny or Presti, imo

[celtxman]

Good luck with that Giannis.

No picks, No capspace, no good youth.

lolol


Management destroyed that team.

Lillard was a gamble for sure and Kuzma has been terrible.

[GoCeltics123]

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I kinda like this

[hugepatsfan]

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I kinda like this

I think the Bucks just keep Sexton and try to find a ~$10M player someone wants to dump with that extra salary matching ability they have there. Same way we all talk about clearing Hauser into a TPE or MLE, other teams will have such guys to move and MIL could be a team acquiring them if they keep Sexton in that deal and expand to include the dumping team.

[Larry_Russell]

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I kinda like this

I hate sexton.

[yeleven11]

I think you're overreacting.

yes, probably so. It's not my money (regarding the lux taxes) and we've made 7 conference finals in the last decade so the front office is doing something right, lol

-You say Scheierman played not even 400 mins as a rookie and will be 25 in the fall. Well that's like 3x the minutes that Hauser played as a rookie and Hauser was about the same age. Seems like Scheierman is on track to be as good as Hauser or perhaps better

I would have liked if Scheierman couldve played a lot more. I was looking at the 2005 Celts (like I wrote earlier in the thread) and the rookies and sophomores on that team (banks, Perkins, Jefferson, West, Allen and Reed) played a combined 4,000 minutes that season even on a playoff team with 45 wins.

My objective with a promising rookie would be to play him 1,000 minutes to bring him up to speed as fast as possible so that by years 3 and 4 of the rookie deal you are maxing out his production. Denver did a great job of this with Christian Braun (1100 minutes as a rook)...

-We traded back after trading for the 25th pick, yes. But rumor has it, Walsh is the guy Brad wanted at 25. So he was able to trade back, pick up 4 extra 2nd rounders and still get his guy. Brilliant GM'ing. Walsh hasn't worked out so great so far, but the hit rate is pretty low for any pick 25 or later. Also, Walsh is only 21 yrs old, only played 2 NBA seasons. A lot of guys don't really find their groove till year 3 (or even year 4) in the league. I wouldn't write him off yet..

-If we look at the guys who got picked in the 25-38 range in 2023, it's hard to really even say that Brad missed by picking Walsh..it's not like a list 13 studs with Walsh being the only dud. I guess Strawther is a guy you could look at and say, gosh we could've taken him at 25 instead..especially with his shooting ability and how our offense looks for 3's. But still, that's what, like 1 out of 14 picks in that range of the draft that has hit so far? Can't really fault Brad for missing when the odds are so low. And all of those other GM's in that range missed too. Plus Denver has really been weak these past 2 years in terms of wing depth...which has allowed Strawther to get lots of playing time. He likely wouldn't have gotten even close to that amount of playing time here. Plus he's playing in a system in Denver with lots of ball movement, player movement and one of the greatest passers of all time which allows him to take open looks - in rhythm. It wouldn't be the same in Boston so he likely wouldn't be as effective here.

-We could look at the 2024 draft and do the same thing..if you say we should've taken our 4 2nd rounders and traded up..that gets us where, to like the 19-25 range? Who are we taking there instead of Scheierman? I guess maybe we could've taken Yves Missi. But is he any better than Queta? There's a chance he would've just gotten buried on the depth chart behind all these other bigs we have. As I mentioned earlier, Scheierman is looking like a good pick for where we drafted him..hard to complain much, especially if he ends up being like Hauser..possibly better

-We've traded 1st round picks for Horford, D-white, Brogdon (who we traded along with 2 more 1st rounders for Jrue) ..I think overall the strategy has worked out well..that strategy played a huge role in us winning the 2024 NBA title

I love Brad's work during the 2023 draft. Walking away with 4 future seconds and Jordan Walsh was pretty impressive. I know that Mike Zarren, Austin Ainge and Remy Cofield were pretty instrumental in those deals and 2/3 of them aren't with the team anymore. But it was a great draft night, I thought.

I don't think the problem was Jordan Walsh was the wrong pick. Obviously, in retrospect you can make a case Toumani Camara, Jaylen Clark, a few other guys would have been better picks. But Jordan looked good in his rookie year, he went pretty badly backwards this year, shooting more 3's and not hitting those shots. So I wouldnt be surprised if Walsh is not back on the C's but he could still turn out to be a good NBA player.

I would have loved if Brad took the four 2nd rounders he got in 2023 and (rather than going after a Jaden Springer) used them to add another pick. I'd be intrigued if Mogbo or Furphy or Ajay Mitchell was signed with us for 3 more years. Part of the draft strategy I'd prefer requires taking multiple swings even knowing most picks don't pan out.

Brad just has hardly taken any draft swings.

I think also, fundamentally, part of GMing is finding value. Just independent of anything else, part of the job is finding value -- getting a valuable asset for a much lesser asset. For instance, look at former celtic Isiaih Thomas. A GM could look at Isiaih Thomas and see a 5-10 combo guard thats gonna go late in the draft. But if that GM had a crystal ball and saw IT would become a 28 ppg scorer and top 5 MVP finisher, the GM would be extremely excited to get this return for a #60 pick.

But coaches don't think like GMs. No part of coaching is about finding value. If you're a coach and your scheme requires a 6-5, 225lb point of attack defender, you dont want a 5-10 combo guard, you want players who can execute your scheme.

So this is my critique of Brad as a drafter, he is not aiming for value in the draft so much as he is trying to find players that fit his coaches scheme and playstyle. It's just a way different approach than someone like Danny or Presti, imo

I honestly think the grade on any draft picks Brad made since he took over, no matter the player, would’ve been a big TBD at this point based on the rotation we’ve had. There was very little chance anyone we would’ve drafted (given the range we were in) would’ve cracked the rotation and shown enough for us to have a legit opinion. We think highly of some of the other guys drafted in that range for other teams because they played more.

[GoCeltics123]

Mannix on KOC's pod mentioned that while KP is available, he thinks the C's might want to extend him instead at a number lower than $30 mil/year and keep him...what??

Idk man, it kinda feels like the KP thing has ran it's course

[yeleven11]

Mannix on KOC's pod mentioned that while KP is available, he thinks the C's might want to extend him instead at a number lower than $30 mil/year and keep him...what??

Idk man, it kinda feels like the KP thing has ran it's course

He also doubled down on his opinion/report that the spurs would offer #2 for Jaylen.

[djFan71]

Mannix on KOC's pod mentioned that while KP is available, he thinks the C's might want to extend him instead at a number lower than $30 mil/year and keep him...what??

Idk man, it kinda feels like the KP thing has ran it's course

Honestly, that's what I was proposing for a while. Extend him for just a tiny bit more than the MLE. 2-3 years, that's perfect if we can still get under the apron with his $ next season. I know he hasn't been there 2 playoffs in a row, but.... if he ever is..... he's the ultimate ceiling raiser. Would be an insane bargain, that you only get due to the injury history / his love of playing in BOS.

[fallguy]

Mannix on KOC's pod mentioned that while KP is available, he thinks the C's might want to extend him instead at a number lower than $30 mil/year and keep him...what??

Idk man, it kinda feels like the KP thing has ran it's course

Honestly, that's what I was proposing for a while. Extend him for just a tiny bit more than the MLE. 2-3 years, that's perfect if we can still get under the apron with his $ next season. I know he hasn't been there 2 playoffs in a row, but.... if he ever is..... he's the ultimate ceiling raiser. Would be an insane bargain, that you only get due to the injury history / his love of playing in BOS.

Okay but as a sixth man with a starting quality big that isn't Al Horford.

[fallguy]

Mannix on KOC's pod mentioned that while KP is available, he thinks the C's might want to extend him instead at a number lower than $30 mil/year and keep him...what??

Idk man, it kinda feels like the KP thing has ran it's course

He also doubled down on his opinion/report that the spurs would offer #2 for Jaylen.

This is sourced? That's what he's saying?

[djFan71]

Mannix on KOC's pod mentioned that while KP is available, he thinks the C's might want to extend him instead at a number lower than $30 mil/year and keep him...what??

Idk man, it kinda feels like the KP thing has ran it's course

Honestly, that's what I was proposing for a while. Extend him for just a tiny bit more than the MLE. 2-3 years, that's perfect if we can still get under the apron with his $ next season. I know he hasn't been there 2 playoffs in a row, but.... if he ever is..... he's the ultimate ceiling raiser. Would be an insane bargain, that you only get due to the injury history / his love of playing in BOS.

Okay but as a sixth man with a starting quality big that isn't Al Horford.

Yeah, definitely. You can't count on him, so jacking around the starting lineup isn't good, imo. Use him off the bench when he's available. Then playoffs as much as he can go.

[yeleven11]

Mannix on KOC's pod mentioned that while KP is available, he thinks the C's might want to extend him instead at a number lower than $30 mil/year and keep him...what??

Idk man, it kinda feels like the KP thing has ran it's course

He also doubled down on his opinion/report that the spurs would offer #2 for Jaylen.

This is sourced? That's what he's saying?

Here’s the link. I’ll let you decide if he’s just speculating or what he’s saying sourced. I am kind of confused by the way he says it honestly. The Jaylen Brown piece starts at the 1min mark.

https://youtu.be/BC1oDsn2TBE?si=S7afiAWZZfed5wtY