Celts Drink From NBA Cup Of Shame! Loss vs BKN 11/21

[Shak_Celts]

.500 ball is a bit disappointing considering the competition/schedule (if they're trying to win). But if we come out this season without any major injuries and adding a couple of young rotation guys, that's a win in my book. Really wish we'd get a high pick though. We don't have much in terms of assets to build a title team up again.

Why do you think we aren’t winning? Maybe I missed your thoughts previously, my apologies if so.

[Shak_Celts]

Last yr, our team got old and stagnant... and our only first round pick since Payton Pritchard is Baylor Scheierman who is age 25 already
This yr, we have some younger pieces that have showed promising signs -- Hugo & Walsh & Minott

But still our young talent are not blue chippers. For five years we've barely used the draft... that adds up!

Aside from youth, athleticism and bigs -- we are also missing passing on our team. So many times guys are moving, getting open and the pass never comes.

Brown, Payton, White for their role/position are average or below average passers. Anfernee Simons actually is the only guard I see out there firing passes to Queta & Garza and cutters and I'm like, "Ant Simons shouldn't be the only player who can see a role man and complete a pass to him."

So ... yea...

AOS to Joe for handling the rotations
And AOS for Brad for getting this Lilliput team. We needed size and we got Baylor instead of Fillipoewski, Shulga and Williams instead of Kalk; letting the C dept go and adding Garza (who I like for the effort, but he is so limited on defense it is scary)
No size, no muscle, no athleticism

Joe really blew this game with the rotations and substitutions (Hugo 5 mins +12 - the team is clicking and he gets him out for White...). Play Walsh, Hugo and Minott together. Wreck havoc on defense. Show some resistance on defense. The offense will come

100% agree with above. Brad's roster building through the draft has been really "poor" and Joe is.... well most know what I think.

Hauser- mostly MIA but he was last season too. Open or covered he’s just out there, when his shots don’t fall. Yikes.

White-mostly MIA, but IMO he was overhyped and bad last season. Still think he’s going to figure out soon and be consistently solid. I feel like he lets his shooting get in the way of everything else. Solid is all we need, we don’t need an all star, though it would be nice.

Pritchard- better than MIA, but not a starter, IDC. He’ll be good though, for what it is. It’s not like someone else has been better.

JB- playing about as well as you could, but he’s not a PG or a point forward, he’s not going to turn pumpkins into carriages. Has his bad moments too.

Queta- playing very well, but can’t stop fouling. What more can you expect out of this guy? For me, too early to expect much more. He’s a stats darling from what people post.

These are the only guys who have been here and got plenty of minutes at some point. Queta hasn’t had any crucial minutes and had many DNPs since being here, I didn’t want to include him, but he’s in that category.

The rest of the team is full of guys that have career long DNPs and Simons.

Simons- up and down but he’s on a new team, in a role he hasn’t been in 3 (NBA) years. Even then, he wasn’t counted out for not defending, Por just sent him out there for his scoring. He’ll have a okay-good game, but he’s been bad plenty of times, he doesn’t DESERVE the start more than Pritch who’s done the same up and down routine.

X- bad knee, DNP king

Boucher- not sure why he didn’t get minutes but I guess I like the young guys over him just to see what they have. He’s also a DNP aficionado and low minutes guy, because Tor didn’t want him beating the tank.

Garza- DNP for four years

Minott- DNP for four years

Walsh- DNP for 3 years

Baylor- second year, mostly DNP

Ugo- rookie


I think I’m missing someone… they are so DNP before now that I can’t remember atm. “Sorry to that man!”


Edit: never mind 14 is Tatum. Duh!

[Marvel]

Sitting 11th in the East. Ahhhhh.

How far out of top 3?

A healthy Tatum.

[Shak_Celts]

Sitting 11th in the East. Ahhhhh.

How far out of top 3?

A healthy Tatum.

Could have been top 3 without him, but the only consistent player is JB… maybe Queta, with reasonable expectations. We’ve played about 8-9 clutch games, lost most of them.

I know you know I meant how many games out, but that was a correct answer too. Lol

[kane0801]

White is shooting below 35% FG this season, absolutely unacceptable

[Deivork]

Good for the tank.

[BillessuR6]

The problem we have is there are a lot of really bad teams, so it looks like our pick will be 10-12 unless we have some big lottery luck...

Of all the seasons JB will be healthy this year wont he?

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[Fierce1]

Cs have beaten the Nets 9 straight times.

Streak was bound to end sooner or later.

[ThePigeon]

Last season or this season, stay quiet, and keep the blinders on. It’s not happening. I feel like I’m going crazy. Blame everybody except the people we should be able to count on. It’s funny.

Anywho, I knew we couldn’t count these 2 wins, because this rag-tag group hasn’t been consistent more than a game at a time. We can win a few in a row, but that doesn’t come from consistency, it comes from doing just enough more than once.

I’m a mod, I’m a mod, I’m a mod… *speaking to myself*


(I’m trying Parl, but I want to be messy messy!! )

Consistency comes from knowing your role and doing the same successful thing over and over
Joe's lineups and substitution patterns are chaotic. Can't get consistency this way

We all know that when we need to play a stretch of good defense we need at least 2 of Hugo, Walsh or Minott on the floor. We all called for Hugo last game and when he finally played we cut the deficit to 4. Then Genius Joe pulled him out.

If this is a breach year, we need to develop our guys by PLAYING them longer consistent stretches. I'd also play Queta each game until he fouls out or drops to the floor without air

I don't know what the management/coaching are doing

[Fierce1]

White and PP combined for 7-26 from the field and 4-16 from 3pt land.

We really expect the Cs to win if those 2 shoot like that and are getting a lot of playing time?

I blame the players first then the coach.

Joe should bench players if they're shooting poorly.
But that's not happening because he's not coaching college kids.

[Fencer reregistered]

Last season or this season, stay quiet, and keep the blinders on. It’s not happening. I feel like I’m going crazy. Blame everybody except the people we should be able to count on. It’s funny.

Anywho, I knew we couldn’t count these 2 wins, because this rag-tag group hasn’t been consistent more than a game at a time. We can win a few in a row, but that doesn’t come from consistency, it comes from doing just enough more than once.

I’m a mod, I’m a mod, I’m a mod… *speaking to myself*


(I’m trying Parl, but I want to be messy messy!! )

Consistency comes from knowing your role and doing the same successful thing over and over
Joe's lineups and substitution patterns are chaotic. Can't get consistency this way

We all know that when we need to play a stretch of good defense we need at least 2 of Hugo, Walsh or Minott on the floor. We all called for Hugo last game and when he finally played we cut the deficit to 4. Then Genius Joe pulled him out.

If this is a breach year, we need to develop our guys by PLAYING them longer consistent stretches. I'd also play Queta each game until he fouls out or drops to the floor without air

I don't know what the management/coaching are doing

https://www.bostonherald.com/2025/11/20/celtics-notebook-why-joe-mazzulla-views-no-pattern-approach-as-cs-strength/

[Fierce1]

Last season Joe was called an idiot for sticking with his 8-man rotation and not trying anything new.

This season, Joe is using 10 to 11 men, so now Joe is not consistent with his rotation?

What is Joe to do?

[GoCeltics123]

I can't believe the Nets were the first team to realize that trapping the ball handler on pick and rolls against the Celtics completely slows down the offense. When you force Queta and Garza to make plays, they can't, because it's not their game.

Teams all year have played drop coverage against this team and let Jaylen/DWhite/PP/Simons just walk into wide open pull up 3s, it didn't make any sense to me.

[Larry_Russell]

How far out of top 3?

A healthy Tatum.

Could have been top 3 without him, but the only consistent player is JB… maybe Queta, with reasonable expectations. We’ve played about 8-9 clutch games, lost most of them.

I know you know I meant how many games out, but that was a correct answer too. Lol

I love the Cs....but not a chance at top 3 without Tatum

[playa-hater]

Last season or this season, stay quiet, and keep the blinders on. It’s not happening. I feel like I’m going crazy. Blame everybody except the people we should be able to count on. It’s funny.

Anywho, I knew we couldn’t count these 2 wins, because this rag-tag group hasn’t been consistent more than a game at a time. We can win a few in a row, but that doesn’t come from consistency, it comes from doing just enough more than once.

I’m a mod, I’m a mod, I’m a mod… *speaking to myself*


(I’m trying Parl, but I want to be messy messy!! )

Consistency comes from knowing your role and doing the same successful thing over and over
Joe's lineups and substitution patterns are chaotic. Can't get consistency this way

We all know that when we need to play a stretch of good defense we need at least 2 of Hugo, Walsh or Minott on the floor. We all called for Hugo last game and when he finally played we cut the deficit to 4. Then Genius Joe pulled him out.

If this is a breach year, we need to develop our guys by PLAYING them longer consistent stretches. I'd also play Queta each game until he fouls out or drops to the floor without air

I don't know what the management/coaching are doing

So much this ^ and that ^

And this is not "Joe experimenting" This is Joe being Joe.

[playa-hater]

Anyone in the right mind can not be happy with Minott's reduced role after his ascending to the starting lineup. He had one game where he was in Foul trouble, and lost both his starting role and his minutes were cut.

Still not sure why Hugo, who has showed promising flashes already at 19, gets so many DNPs all while Hauser is shooting horrifically bad. Ditto D White. And Baylor, despite his decent play, should not be getting minutes over Minott and/or Hugo.

[darrendaye]

Last season or this season, stay quiet, and keep the blinders on. It’s not happening. I feel like I’m going crazy. Blame everybody except the people we should be able to count on. It’s funny.

Anywho, I knew we couldn’t count these 2 wins, because this rag-tag group hasn’t been consistent more than a game at a time. We can win a few in a row, but that doesn’t come from consistency, it comes from doing just enough more than once.

I’m a mod, I’m a mod, I’m a mod… *speaking to myself*


(I’m trying Parl, but I want to be messy messy!! )

Consistency comes from knowing your role and doing the same successful thing over and over
Joe's lineups and substitution patterns are chaotic. Can't get consistency this way

We all know that when we need to play a stretch of good defense we need at least 2 of Hugo, Walsh or Minott on the floor. We all called for Hugo last game and when he finally played we cut the deficit to 4. Then Genius Joe pulled him out.

If this is a breach year, we need to develop our guys by PLAYING them longer consistent stretches. I'd also play Queta each game until he fouls out or drops to the floor without air

I don't know what the management/coaching are doing

I don't take issue with Joe's rotation patterns so much as the knowing your role (and your unit mates' roles) as you mention. Boucher not playing in deference to giving Walsh and Minott those PF minutes and carving out some wing minutes for Scheierman and Gonzalez to also audition sits well with me considering 2026 is priority 1 this season. The problem I see is while the defensive roles those players fill is where Joe is judging them and pretty evident, how each is being used offensively lacks refinement and understanding. And I will say for Baylor and Hugo, at times DOES get impacted playing with Hauser who they want to let handle the ball more than they should.

Specific to late night and Hugo, I take that point as I thought they would insert him in the game earlier to try to shift the defensive momentum, particularly with the refs allowing a good deal of defensive physicality on the ball-handlers and with the length of the Nets putting Walsh and Minott in more defensively compromised positions. But I also don't think Hugo should always play over Scheierman as many (perhaps most) would push. The team may find incremental passing improvements in the main 9 man rotation (PP. DW, JB, JW, NQ, AS, SH, JM and LG), but when you want to improve the ball flow in a given game, Scheierman's skill there should be deployed. And there has been a SLIGHT uptick in positioning him other than in the corner to do so (but not enough IMO in the few minutes you'd have him out there).

[darrendaye]

BTW, if this was an AOS vote situation, Derrick White wins walking away.

[brackdan70]

I need more Minott and Hugo and less Hauser.
I need another Queta level big and less Garza.

I missed the game due to having company over, but damn…the Nets?
WTF.
I guess I can salivating over lotto picks again? My sentiment changes with every game lol.

[Fierce1]

BTW, if this was an AOS vote situation, Derrick White wins walking away.

If White keeps playing like this, I'm starting to think packaging him with Simons for AD isn't such a bad idea after all.