If Paul Pierce PLayed for Miami

[Datruth345]

i'm glad dwayne is sucking, i can't stand him

[dirkforpres]

Wade is very overrated, but I dont think Pierce wouldnt lead them to any more victories by himself than Wade has this year.

[technologic]

i'm glad dwayne is sucking, i can't stand him

I don't think it's fair to say that Wade himself is sucking.

Since December,

27.1ppg-7.8apg-4.4rpg-1.6spg-1bpg on 49.5% shooting isn't too bad.

[Jimmy103]

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I don't think it's fair to say that Wade himself is sucking.

Since December,

27.1ppg-7.8apg-4.4rpg-1.6spg-1bpg on 49.5% shooting isn't too bad.

Must have forgotten his LEAGUE LEADING 4.6 TOs a game

[technologic]

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Must have forgotten his LEAGUE LEAGUE 4.6 TOs a game

His Turnover ratio (hollinger) is still less than Arenas, Howard, Horford, etc.

[Datruth345]

i meant sucking in terms of his teams season

sorry for the confusion

[technologic]

i meant sucking in terms of his teams season

sorry for the confusion

true

[SeizeCoup]

I'd wager that Wade still isn't 100% healthy coming off all that off-season surgery and rehab. IMO though, he and Pierce are on the same level in regards to impact/talent. Pierce is bigger and stronger, Wade is quicker and more athletic. Both are great at creating contact, both are clutch, each is more than just a scorer. Neither is an alpha male, but Pierce, imo, is a small bit more of a leader.

If I had to choose one, I'd take Wade because he's younger. Otherwise, age aside, I don't see a huge separation between the two. Interesting thread SlickD.

[numbas]

ok this thread is slipping just a lil bit to diff stuff the main point is if pierce was on heat right now instead of wade they would be atleast the 6th seed hes saying and not have the 8 wins with wade now BECAUSE PIERCE WOULDNT LET EM BE THAT BAD....i just wanna no from him or any other supporter of this WUT DO U HAVE TO MAKE THIS ARGUMENT dont give me same players this that cuz their all worse WADE SINGLE HANDLY WON THE HEAT A TITLE which ill repeat only 7 teams in the past 27 years have done and i dont even wanna hear its cuz o shaq sucked but was doubled or wade got to line or mavs choked NO ofcourse that helped but if u need to rewacth him literally take the game over himself u do that

wade is better than pierce thats not to say pierce isnt an all star he is hes great and maybe if he had a lil better team around him in the past he coulda done wut wade did but we dont nooooooo cuz it hasnt happened yet u have no right to say PIERCE WOULDNT LET HIS TEAM BE THIS BAD cuz theirs nuthing to back it except i think which is fine if u all wanna say I THINK

[GonzoLays]

No one in the league carries the ball, travels, or gets more bogus calls from the refs than Dwayne Wade. I once saw DWade do a double spin move from the three point line and that wasn't called a travel.

Dwayne Wade =OVERRATED!

[Jimmy103]

ok this thread is slipping just a lil bit to diff stuff the main point is if pierce was on heat right now instead of wade they would be atleast the 6th seed hes saying and not have the 8 wins with wade now BECAUSE PIERCE WOULDNT LET EM BE THAT BAD....i just wanna no from him or any other supporter of this WUT DO U HAVE TO MAKE THIS ARGUMENT dont give me same players this that cuz their all worse WADE SINGLE HANDLY WON THE HEAT A TITLE which ill repeat only 7 teams in the past 27 years have done and i dont even wanna hear its cuz o shaq sucked but was doubled or wade got to line or mavs choked NO ofcourse that helped but if u need to rewacth him literally take the game over himself u do that

wade is better than pierce thats not to say pierce isnt an all star he is hes great and maybe if he had a lil better team around him in the past he coulda done wut wade did but we dont nooooooo cuz it hasnt happened yet u have no right to say PIERCE WOULDNT LET HIS TEAM BE THIS BAD cuz theirs nuthing to back it except i think which is fine if u all wanna say I THINK

-Jason Williams vs. Gary Payton...this is MAYBE a toss up, GP was washed up in LA in 2004, JWill is below average at best which is still better than Payton.
-Ricky Davis vs. Ricky Davis...Uhhh I guess 05 Ricky was better? Marginal difference
-Udonis Haslem vs. Antoine Walker...Toine was detrimental to the team at this point, gotta give the edge to UD
-Shaquille O'Neal vs. Mark Blount...Shaq is bad, but he's still better than Mark Blount

His supporting cast is better at 3 of the 4 other starting positions and that's IF you want to say Ricky Davis is worse now than he was then. THAT'S my argument, do you disagree with this analysis?

[Al n' Perk No Layups!]

ok this thread is slipping just a lil bit to diff stuff the main point is if pierce was on heat right now instead of wade they would be atleast the 6th seed hes saying and not have the 8 wins with wade now BECAUSE PIERCE WOULDNT LET EM BE THAT BAD....i just wanna no from him or any other supporter of this WUT DO U HAVE TO MAKE THIS ARGUMENT dont give me same players this that cuz their all worse WADE SINGLE HANDLY WON THE HEAT A TITLE which ill repeat only 7 teams in the past 27 years have done and i dont even wanna hear its cuz o shaq sucked but was doubled or wade got to line or mavs choked NO ofcourse that helped but if u need to rewacth him literally take the game over himself u do that

wade is better than pierce thats not to say pierce isnt an all star he is hes great and maybe if he had a lil better team around him in the past he coulda done wut wade did but we dont nooooooo cuz it hasnt happened yet u have no right to say PIERCE WOULDNT LET HIS TEAM BE THIS BAD cuz theirs nuthing to back it except i think which is fine if u all wanna say I THINK

i really cant believe this u can be a celtics fan but now ur going overboard, ill accept the argument of who is better wade or pierce even tho i know its wade he single handely won the heat a title wether u think the refs helped him or not only 7 teams in the last like 27 years have even won a title,and dont talk about the spporting casts are the same antoine since last year has been horrible isnt even starting for the worst team in the nba, davis is doing bad this year,blount was good in 2005 which got him his good contract and gp just started his decline the year before 2005 and wasnt all that good with the heat any year and isnt even playing this year

o ya and if u wanna talk about pierce wouldnt let his team do this bad idno wtf u could be talking about wut has pierce done the past 2 years his teams r **** and so is wades now which equals bad records and wut did pierce lead his team to that one year 76ers made it to finals it was between them sixers n raptors all mediocore teams and wut did pierce lead his team to?????? not the finals

You just killed seven english teachers and three puppies.

[ddb]

it's hard to knock Wade. He's a warrior. But at this point you have to start wondering why the Heat are 8-24.
I wouldn't put all the blame on Wade. This team suffered without him and haven't been able to get back on track. They don't have the "character" guys that will claw out wins.

Think about it...Other then the Knicks, I can't think of a worse roster in terms of character....Ricky D? Mark Blount? Jason Williams? Smush Parker? Shaq even!

Let's not put the blame on Wade for his teammates character issues. I'm not talking about getting in trouble either. I'm talking about having the will to win. They just don't have it..

I'd blame management for piecing together a crappy team. Trade Shaq....You can find decent value for him at this point. He can still help out a contending team.

[cisco]

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I don't think it's fair to say that Wade himself is sucking.

Since December,

27.1ppg-7.8apg-4.4rpg-1.6spg-1bpg on 49.5% shooting isn't too bad.

Yeah, but if the refs called the game right (Wade carries and travels almost every possession), would have have those numbers? I doubt it. He'd probably average 7 TOs a game.

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-Jason Williams vs. Gary Payton...this is MAYBE a toss up, GP was washed up in LA in 2004, JWill is below average at best which is still better than Payton.
-Ricky Davis vs. Ricky Davis...Uhhh I guess 05 Ricky was better? Marginal difference
-Udonis Haslem vs. Antoine Walker...Toine was detrimental to the team at this point, gotta give the edge to UD
-Shaquille O'Neal vs. Mark Blount...Shaq is bad, but he's still better than Mark Blount

His supporting cast is better at 3 of the 4 other starting positions and that's IF you want to say Ricky Davis is worse now than he was then. THAT'S my argument, do you disagree with this analysis?

um yes jimmy i do disagree

jason williams vs gp u say jason was better well half the time chris quinn is starting at point cuz williams is always hurt and gp is a winner,payton was on a bad heat team alst year and they made the playoffs

ricky davis vs ricky davis the one on celtics was betterbut yes marginal

and ud vs walker u cant say walker was detrimental to the team cuz they only had him for 24 games and back then walker wasnt on a decline yet was still capable of 20 and 10

shaq vs blount/lafrentz it wasnt just blount starting he only started 57 games that year but both theri stats combined r better than wut the heat got but yes shaq is better but cant stay on the floor only 28 min a game and now alonzo is out so its a worse blount and early barron cuz shaq is out

the heat his year average only 94 points a game which is a disgrace and in 04 05 that cletics team averaged 101 points a game obviously no1 was detrimental to the team and the surrouding players played better, pierces stats that year were 21.6 ppg 4.2 ass 6.6 reb 2.8 to wades this year are 24.9 ppg 6.9 ass 4.2 reb 4.6 and he missed a couple games and who knows if hes yet fulyl 100 % healthy and now shaq has been out and for the kid who said sumthing bout wades turnovers he averaged 4.2 the year they won 59 games and nash this year averages 3.4 so is wades 1 more a game that much worse if u really think about it its cuz they have no1 else and he always has the ball

and if u wanna talk about leading the team go back to wades rookie year wen it was only a rookie him, lamar, rafer alston and briant grant getting to the playoffs and winning against the favored hornets and that team was only 3 wins behind those celtics in the reg season

[s1ickd]

oh please.

the bottom line is... there isnt a top 10 player in the league that would go 8-20something. it just WOULD NOT happen. nash, amare, duncan, kg, lebron, kobe, dwight, and YES, PAUL PIERCE have NEVER let their teams play that poorly.

go back to any of paul's worst years, his worst celtics teams, and NONE of them started that badly.

wade benefits from touch fouls, a lack of carry calls, and a puppy dog face. im not saying he's a bad player. he's an all star. he has an all star skillset. what im saying is those non-skill related benefits make him look better than he actually is. he has some loud finishes and gets tv time from free throws. therefore he's popular. he's not better than paul pierce though. pierce is a better shooter, post scorer, rebounder. he's an equal defender and near equal passer. wade slashes better, but not by a huge margin. paul is the better all around player. Situational Wins and Losses proves this... and an analysis of their skills proves this.

You guys need to give me something better than "oh but his team sucks" and "but Dwade is nasty".

Im not sure if its possible for a team to suck more than the one Pierce played for last year. And they played better than the '07-'08 heat until Pierce got hurt.

[travis minor]

i hear dwyane wade has more rings than paul pierce

[cisco]

i hear dwyane wade has more rings than paul pierce

Again, Wade had Shaq! And it won't be for long.

[ddb]

the heat sacrificed their future for a chance at a ring. they won their ring and now it's time to start all over. im sure it was worth it for miami.

and hey, they still have a nice piece to build around in dwayne wade. next season jason williams, ricky davis, and zo are all off the books. they will have money to go after a quality free agent to go along with a top 7 pick.

there's no reason why miami can't be right back in the mix of things a year from now.

baron davis, jermaine oneal, iverson, potentially elton brand, shawn marion are all free agents. plus a nice draft pick

wade, shaq, free agent, draft pick, etc

[s1ickd]

oh definitely, Miami will surely be back in the mix of things. im just amazed that a supposed top 10 player in the league cant do better than 8 wins in 30 games. i could name a few guys that he's supposedly better than that would do a better job avoiding that situation.