Please, No More Championship Talk

[Al n' Perk No Layups!]

I'm a Dallas Cowgirls fan.

That explains it. Enjoy watching the real teams play.

[return2glory]

Ah, comforting to know that some things never change. It really gets to the point where some posters become white noise.

Why is that? Because you have a hard time dealing with the truth. Before the season began, I had a thread that said Glen Davis isn't 6'9. Almost everyone jumped on me because he was listed as 6'9 and didn't want to hear anything else. Now everyone knows that he isn't 6'9. Was that white noise too, or was that people like you can't deal with the truth?

[return2glory]

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That explains it. Enjoy watching the real teams play.

Cowboys are a real team. But much like the Celtics, they have a coach that can't adjust. The Cowboys were the better team, just like the Celtics. The Cowboys were at home, just like the Celtics. The Cowboys got outcoached, just like the Celtics.

[ParticleMan]

meh, it's always the same with the Doc Haters. when we win, he gets very little credit, and any 4-year-old downs syndrome kid could do the same. when we lose, it's all his fault.

and LMAO @ trying to use Glen Davis's measurements to prove a point.

[return2glory]

meh, it's always the same with the Doc Haters. when we win, he gets very little credit, and any 4-year-old downs syndrome kid could do the same. when we lose, it's all his fault.

and LMAO @ trying to use Glen Davis's measurements to prove a point.

We were up by 14 with 6 points to go. We got outscored by 19 in the final 6 minutes of the game. Posey was left in the game to long. TA was playing great, making things happen, Then TA was pulled out of the game with about 6 minutes left.

The players win games, but the coach determines who gets on the floor.
Last year the lost games in the 4th quarter because he were a young team. What's the excuse now.

If it's not Doc's fault, then maybe KG, PP, and RA aren't that good. All three were in the game during the final 6 minutes, when we got outscored by 19 points. KG started panicing, shooting a 23 footer when there was 14 seconds still left on the shot clock.

In the Detroit game, which Doc did a great job, the best player on the floor in the 4th quarter was Davis. He scored 16 in the 4th quarter. It's not entirely Doc's fault. The big 3 just aren't that good under pressure.

[MaxwellSmart]

Doc Rivers is like that White trash hillbilly who won the $300 million dollar lottery a couple of years ago (who lost it all within 2 years)...He's gonna squander his big chance by not using his players the correct way...Try running some plays early for Ray Allen to get him going the right way once in awhile...Recognize your energy players (TA last night) and keep them in the game until the outcome is determined...Don't be afraid to call a time out when a team scores on two straight possesions (like Rick Carlisle did to your ass a couple of years ago-and what Eddie Jordan did last night)

[Matt34520]

I know the truth is hard to except for most people.

You don't speak the truth, all you have said in this thread is your opinion about what will take place in the future. Its a prediction that may or may not turn out to be correct. We'll see...

[DynastyInTheMaking]

Let's be honest here - Caron Butler was the best player on that court last night. Don't talk about Washington beating us twice without Arenas because thats bull. Washington is a perennial playoff contender with or without Arenas. Butler is becoming one of the best all around players in the league (better than Pierce or Allen) and Jamison is one of few 20 and 10 guys in the league, something KG currently is not. Give the Wizards respect, our stars did not perform, plain and simple. We blew the lead, yeah change in personnel contributed to that but plan and simple our players choked.

As far as a championship goes I think that rests on how much the stars play down the stretch/whether or not they are well rested at the end of April. Then whether or not they step it up in the playoffs, dont call them the Big 3 until they prove something in the playoffs.






Just to chime in: The Cowboys are a joke. Don't blame them on Wade Phillips with all of the attention that his assistants are getting. When push comes to shove in the NFL the HC always takes the blame, but the assistant coaches play a larger role in the NFL compared to any other sport. Jason Garrett did not have Lil Romeo, as Skip Bayless would say, ready. Romo is a joke. He has choked down the stretch 2 years in a row now and essentially stop playing well after getting paid and now the Cowboys are stuck with him. "Experts" who want to stick him in a tier with Brady, Manning and Favre should be fired at their job. The Giants had all the momentum heading into that game and have been unbelievable on the road. Eli Manning has arrived. Tony Romo is a joke. The Cowboys were not the better team, they havent played well in almost two months, they are what the Celtics were last night - choke artists. When the players choke, that's something that can't be pinned on the coach, plain and simple.

[HighAboveCourtside]

Please don't do that. Thanks.

canman

We've lost 6 freakin' games all year, and you're ready to write them off. Get off the bandwagon, I don't want you as a fan.

[return2glory]

We've lost 6 freakin' games all year, and you're ready to write them off. Get off the bandwagon, I don't want you as a fan.

I love this team. I loved last year's him as well. I've loved all our teams since the Bird era til now. Win or lose, I'll still love this team.

I'm not a bandwagon fan. I'm a diehard fan. Just because I feel that this team won't win a championship with Doc as head coach doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I'm being real. I'm not a homer fan like some people.

We lost 6 games all year, but we lost half of those games in the last 4.There is nothing wrong with winning 60-65 games. We haven't had that in about 20 years. So I'm thankful for that. But we shouldn't be talking about a championship yet. KG's and Ray Allen's performances are getting worst each month, that's not a good sign. All I'm saying is that we won't win a championship with Rivers here, that's all.

I know you are passionate, but please be more respectful. canman

[PPAW4Life]

KG's numbers are some how better in LOSES than our WINS.

I think all of the Big Three's productions are going down because they're playing less minutes...something the fans are harping about and Doc is definitely listening.

I think they can and should play more and particularly together.

This offense can be so much more dynamic and explosive but the rotations are so jumbled that no one seems to find a good rhythm anymore!

[Tricky Ricky]

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I love this team. I loved last year's him as well. I've loved all our teams since the Bird era til now. Win or lose, I'll still love this team.

I'm not a bandwagon fan. I'm a diehard fan. Just because I feel that this team won't win a championship with Doc as head coach doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I'm being real. I'm not a homer fan like some people.

We lost 6 games all year, but we lost half of those games in the last 4.There is nothing wrong with winning 60-65 games. We haven't had that in about 20 years. So I'm thankful for that. But we shouldn't be talking about a championship yet. KG's and Ray Allen's performances are getting worst each month, that's not a good sign. All I'm saying is that we won't win a championship with Rivers here, that's all.

I know you are passionate, but please be more respectful. canman

I agree 100% with that

[pierced]

This team is not good enough to win a championship. Please don't get your hopes up.

There is no main reason why this team won't win a championship. That reason is Doc Rivers.

Going into the start of the season, I predicted that we would go about 18-12 after 30 wins. I was wrong and suprised that we were playing so well. But with Doc as coach, we won't get close to a championship.

We lost back to back games against Washington without Arenas. We lost this game when we were up by 14, at home in the 4th quarter. Doc kept playing Posey, who is an average player. We were starting to get killed on the boards, and Doc kept Perkins on the bench until about 1:30 to go.

We blew an 18 point lead at home to Houston without T-Mac, and hung on to win. We barely beat Memphis at home. We lost to Charlotte at home.

More back news, KG is no MVP. His best days are behind him. His best game was the 1st game of the season. There will be no more 30 and 15 games for KG. Ray Allen's best days are also behind him.

I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan. As everyone knows, they lost at home with better players. They have 12 players going to the Pro Bowl but have 1 bad coach that has never one a playoff game. Much like Doc Rivers, Wade Phillips got out coached and the better team lost.

This isn't a reactionary post. And no, the sky isn't falling. We just can't and won't win anything important with Doc as our coach. He is a good coach, but not a very good one. So, please don't get your hopes up and stop with any championship talk unless you are a Patroit's fan.

Just pathetic!

[Paulpierce3417]

readin these posts is the funniest thing. so when we start winnin again are all of you gonna jump back on the Cs dicks and talk about how everything is great again. Seriously do other teams fans do this? we have the best record and you still bitch. you act like if you dont win 70+ game we cant win a title. Everyone gets beat by **** teams. get over it.

[celticfan42487]

Outside of teh Spurs in the Finals I don't see why we can't win a championship.

Some teams make it to the Finals with vital flaws. DET has trouble with strong 3s [Lebron,Pierce] or in Wade's case Jordon-esque 2s.

DAL is iffy if Dirk can match up with the opposing player or not [see success vs SA and PHNX, then failure agaisnt GS]

And PHNX relies on outscoring the opposition.

All 3 of those teams could be in the Finals this year and we could beat them all in a 7 game series. So I don't see why this team isn't championship calbier.

When you roll wiht one of the best defenses in the league sometimes that forces OTHER teams to **** up. Were not the only one capable of making mistakes.

Then you have the other teams that think their contenders like Lakers and stuff.

[6and33areGOD]

Just so everyone knows, right now the Wizard's record is 20-16. With Arenas in the lineup they were 3-5. Take it for what it's worth.

Edit: for those of us not inclined towards math, that's 17-11 with arenas, 3-5 without. If for the sake of argument you want to discount the wins to the Celtics, the Wiz are 15-11.

I really think the Doc detractors aren't giving Rondo enough credit here. For all the times I've heard "Doc can't install an offensive set," or "Doc won't put the right people on the floor", nobody has mentioned that Doc has either had no pg to put out there (House is a sg no matter how you cut it) or a hobbled Rondo for the past 4-5 games. Doc's not the greatest coach out there, but he's a pretty good coach who gets his team to play hard on the vast majority of nights, and no team can run an efficient offense against pressure without a pg on the floor.

[AWalkerREMIX]

I hate Doc Rivers, but don't be fooled by these last couple games. This team can win a title even with Doc Rivers calling (or not calling) the plays.

[The Rondo Show]

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The players win games, but the coach determines who gets on the floor.
Last year the lost games in the 4th quarter because he were a young team. What's the excuse now.

If it's not Doc's fault, then maybe KG, PP, and RA aren't that good. All three were in the game during the final 6 minutes, when we got outscored by 19 points. KG started panicing, shooting a 23 footer when there was 14 seconds still left on the shot clock.

In the Detroit game, which Doc did a great job, the best player on the floor in the 4th quarter was Davis. He scored 16 in the 4th quarter. It's not entirely Doc's fault. The big 3 just aren't that good under pressure.

The excuse now is that it's an 82 game season and you are going to have bad 4th quarters and lose games in the 4th, just as you'll win games in the 4th at times, when you play that many games.

We've got 30 wins and 6 losses all year and only the Wizards losses were because we got vastly outplayed in the 4th. So please, stop acting like this is a trend that keeps repeating itself.

Ray Allen is great under pressure. He was one of the most clutch players in the NBA last year and he's had 2 buzzer beaters this year, a game tying 3 vs. Detroit. The only time you could really say he choked under pressure is the Cleveland loss where he missed 2 free throws. Last night he didn't come through on that last shot, but that's hardly his fault considering the shot he had to take and even great shooters only have, roughly, a 40% chance at hitting 3's and less in that situation (because they know you need a 3).

Pierce has had a pretty **** year in terms of clutch play this year, but he's always been a very good 4th quarter player and above average in those clutch shots stats. Not willing to label him a choker because he hasn't come through with big shots 5-6 times this year, especially when he has the game winning basket against Utah and Miami-- just gets less credit for those because he did it with 25 seconds left instead of 1.

Did KG fold against Houston when he took that game over offensively and completely shutdown Yao for those last 6 minutes? How about when he scored what; 9 straight points against Bosh in OT? He definitely didn't come through last night, but it's pretty obvious you are being very reactionary due to a small losing streak.

I guess the Spurs should've called it a season earlier this year when the Lakers went on a 18-5 run in the 4th quarter to open up the game. How about the Pistons who entered the 4th quarter of a home game vs. the Lakers with a 6 point lead and went on to get outscored 41-23, losing by 12. It happens a few times a year to EVERY team.

Quit being so reactionary and enjoy watching the best team we've seen in 2 decades and a championship contender.

[dwestside]

The best sign of a pretentious poster is one who instructs fellow fans to stop hoping for the best outcome of their team. This is so obnoxious I can't even begin to describe it. You could have just as easily said "I (key word I) think this team isn't ready for a championship." There are valid concerns with this team ... but quit dragging other fans who are enjoying their 30-6 team into the dungeon with your own depression problems.

[SuperDeluxe]

My truth is better than yours.