I feel this is the year to trade Rondo

[Edug27]

Because it's ideal to bring a player along gradually and let him learn a few things at a time until they're reinforced well.


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Let him learn under Rondo until the deadline, trade Rondo and let Smart start the rest of the season??

Fixed.

[165bows]

Toine was dealt because he had years left on his deal. Rondo is expiring. If they don't get pieces they like, Ainge may prefer to just take the cap space and use it on free agents or in sign-and-trades with all those picks he has accumulated.

I'm trying not to take a short-term view, but the last five-plus games have really soured me on Rondo. I thought he's played some of the worst basketball of his career. It's not just the FT shooting. He's loafing on defense, then alternating between checking out for extended stretches and then dominating the ball.

I actually agree with this, he looked awful against SA. Either his knee is really limited or something else is wrong with him, IMO.

I remember when the SportVue cameras first came out and there was this bit about Rondo, and him wondering if he ran farther in a game than anyone in the league. Right now he looks like he doesn't want to move if he doesn't have to.

Edit - Frankly if he looks like this going forward he is going to be looking to get in on that 3 year extension at 40M.

5 games ago is when he stepped on Noel's foot and completely rolled his ankle. No bonus points for playing thru pain around here, huh?

Well that is pretty much what I'm asking about. I missed a good portion of that Philly game and was unaware of that.

Caught the SA game on DVR later that night and he did not look good at all, hence the speculation.

[ryaningf]

I actually agree with this, he looked awful against SA. Either his knee is really limited or something else is wrong with him, IMO.

I remember when the SportVue cameras first came out and there was this bit about Rondo, and him wondering if he ran farther in a game than anyone in the league. Right now he looks like he doesn't want to move if he doesn't have to.

Edit - Frankly if he looks like this going forward he is going to be looking to get in on that 3 year extension at 40M.

5 games ago is when he stepped on Noel's foot and completely rolled his ankle. No bonus points for playing thru pain around here, huh?

Well that is pretty much what I'm asking about. I missed a good portion of that Philly game and was unaware of that.

Caught the SA game on DVR later that night and he did not look good at all, hence the speculation.

In your defense, literally nobody talked about it afterward and no one's asked Rondo about it since. He walked it off and it's like it never happened. But he's clearly lacked burst since that game.

It's a minority opinion, but to me a lot of Rondo's rep for coasting has to do with his ability to play thru pain. He's got a very high pain threshold that gets him on the court, even at times when he shouldn't be there, and then you see him not being aggressive and it's like "he's coasting" but no he's just hurt and he's a gamer and he never talks about injuries.

[Captain_Caveman]

Toine was dealt because he had years left on his deal. Rondo is expiring. If they don't get pieces they like, Ainge may prefer to just take the cap space and use it on free agents or in sign-and-trades with all those picks he has accumulated.

I'm trying not to take a short-term view, but the last five-plus games have really soured me on Rondo. I thought he's played some of the worst basketball of his career. It's not just the FT shooting. He's loafing on defense, then alternating between checking out for extended stretches and then dominating the ball.

I just don't see any quality trades available. Sacramento seems like the most viable partner but I want no part of McLemore (he's just an Avery Bradley clone - lots of shooting, no ability to pass) and he's their only real trade chip.

The Rockets are honestly their best bet. Houston has a $8.4M trade exception for Lin - there has to be a way they can use that plus something like Terrence Jones and Patrick Beverly to get it done.

That's not a sexy trade, but Terrence Jones could be a great oversize 3-man for this team and Beverly is a tough, hardnosed player who can shoot the three - a good pairing at the point for a young Marcus Smart.

agree in general, but your trades highlight a couple of problems in trading him. Rudy Gay or not, no way that Rondo gives Sacto assurances that he will resign, which means no McLemore or anything of real value. He might even tell them outright that he will not resign, and may have already done so.

As to Houston, that trade doesn't actually work because Rondo's contract would have to fit entirely in the TPE. Just highlights the difficulty in teams being able to construct trades of that scale contract-wise.

[Gomes3PC]

But playing through an injury to the point that he is hurting the team on the court is counterproductive. A, the team is worse because he is playing like crap. B, he can't heal up and get back to 100% playing on an injured ankle.

Being tough is all well and good but the coaches/staff need to understand when it is detrimental to the team.

[Gomes3PC]

Toine was dealt because he had years left on his deal. Rondo is expiring. If they don't get pieces they like, Ainge may prefer to just take the cap space and use it on free agents or in sign-and-trades with all those picks he has accumulated.

I'm trying not to take a short-term view, but the last five-plus games have really soured me on Rondo. I thought he's played some of the worst basketball of his career. It's not just the FT shooting. He's loafing on defense, then alternating between checking out for extended stretches and then dominating the ball.

I just don't see any quality trades available. Sacramento seems like the most viable partner but I want no part of McLemore (he's just an Avery Bradley clone - lots of shooting, no ability to pass) and he's their only real trade chip.

The Rockets are honestly their best bet. Houston has a $8.4M trade exception for Lin - there has to be a way they can use that plus something like Terrence Jones and Patrick Beverly to get it done.

That's not a sexy trade, but Terrence Jones could be a great oversize 3-man for this team and Beverly is a tough, hardnosed player who can shoot the three - a good pairing at the point for a young Marcus Smart.

agree in general, but your trades highlight a couple of problems in trading him. Rudy Gay or not, no way that Rondo gives Sacto assurances that he will resign, which means no McLemore or anything of real value. He might even tell them outright that he will not resign, and may have already done so.

As to Houston, that trade doesn't actually work because Rondo's contract would have to fit entirely in the TPE. Just highlights the difficulty in teams being able to construct trades of that scale contract-wise.

Understand that the TPE is too small, but HOU could find a 3rd partner to give them back a player or TPE large enough to fit Rondo.

[HeartBreakKid]

I hate to be the "I told you so" guy because I am wrong about a lot of things, but homers really need to learn how to look at things objectively.

Now that Rondo is doing bad, everyone is calling for a trade - that's great, except no one wants bad players (he's not literally a bad player, but is not playing well). When he was doing good, everyone was saying how rare of a talent it is and how hard it is to get an all-star in the NBA (which is a myth, it is not that hard to get an all-star in the NBA the caliber of Rondo, it is hard to get an all-nba player).


Fact of the matter is, fans have zero patience. Thinking in the long term, trading Rondo and Green are the only things that make sense. But we get all these silly rebuttals about how we'll be a losing team forever, when we've only been a losing team for one season....one season. One season of rebuilding, and people think guys like Rondo are untradable, and now this happens and we're back to where we were last year.

Of course fans don't call the shots when it comes to trades, but I am just saying, just because you represent green doesn't mean you shouldn't look at things objectively.



Anyway, I am fairly confident Ainge will fine someone to give a decent deal for Rondo, because Rondo is an overrated player with a big name, and there are a lot of GMs in the NBA who are just morons. But even if we couldn't find a good deal, I would absolutely trade Rondo for scraps. Scraps are better than nothing. Someone like Ben Mclemore? I'd do that trade in a heart beat, why wouldn't you? You have nothing to lose. Rondo is out of here, and if he wanted to stay he would ask for more money than he is worth.

I love Smart, I think he can be great- but he's a rookie, and he excelled without primary ball-handling responsibilities. We get rid of Rondo and Smart will be exposed- he's not quite ready yet.

Exposed for what, being a rookie?

[Andrew McCeltic]

He'll be exposed as a rookie, yeah- as someone who can't yet handle all the responsibilities of running a team full time and playing great defense and knowing when to look for his own shot. It'll hurt his trade reputation, for one thing. And it could also hurt his growth.

Rondo for Mclemore is something I'd consider. GMs can be more patient than fans, but they also have to make decisions in the moment- if it's the night of the trade deadline, Boston and Sacramento have a ton of variables to weigh: is Rondo his good games or his bad games? Will he re-sign? Is Mclemore the next Ray Allen, or a few years away, and benefiting from open looks because Cousins is so dominant? They're ALWAYS judgment calls.

What's interesting about Ainge, actually, is how good he is at mitigating risk- he very rarely makes one for one swaps, and usually gets back multiple assets to increase the odds of one or two panning out. And he only goes all in for superstars. The rare exception was the Pierce for Chris Paul trade that never happened. But usually, for all his apparent boldness, he holds back on really risky moves.

So a Rondo-for-Mclemore-filler straight swap is highly unlikely. He's going to want more parts in the mix.

[Bohemian]

Kelly Dwyer writes about Rondo's struggles and possible trade options:

It’s exactly this sort of setting – Boston’s second night of a back-to-back, the team’s fifth game in seven nights – that has Celtics fans a bit worried. Rajon came through with a miserable performance before being benched, missing all three of his shots and turning the ball over three times in nearly 21 minutes, and patience is running thin. Team president Danny Ainge isn’t exactly out to make a playoff run, he’d like another lottery pick (especially after watching Smart and second-year man Kelly Olynyk play fantastic ball in a losing effort on Monday), but Rondo has to show at least a semblance of what he once was.

For one massive, lingering, reason.

The Celtics have to trade Rajon Rondo. They don’t have to work out something next week, when last summer’s free-agent signees are finally allowed to be legally offered in a deal, but some asset has to be gathered in return for a free agent to-be who will turn 29 in two months and may not be in Boston’s long-term plans moving forward. The coveting of first-round picks has evolved to a nearly ridiculous degree as we set to swing into 2015, but if Rondo continues to struggle this badly, no contending or even rebuilding team will want to deal a first-round selection for a lacking player who also dominates the ball and reshapes offenses with his unique and often polarizing offensive game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball- ... 51412.html

[return2glory]

Wojo and Marc Spears are now saying the Celtics are willing to trade Rondo.

They were always willing to trade him. Ainge is no dummy. Rondo is not a good fit with this current team. We don't have enough good shooters to surround Rondo. We also don't have any go to scorers. Rondo is better when surrounded with better players.

Since we are still in rebuild, let Smart run the show and learn the position when he gets back. Acquire some type of asset for Rondo and get him to a contending team.