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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#201 » by peachbucket » Wed Nov 4, 2015 7:58 pm

Celtsfan1980 wrote:Let's say the Celtics have the first and fifth picks this year. Who do you want?

Simmons and Brown.

I think a more realistic scenario is the 3rd, 11th (Dallas), 15th (Minnesota), and 18th (own). If that's the case I think that Jalen Brown, Diallo, Zhou Qi and a distant unprotected 1st would be a hell of a haul.
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Post#202 » by Avalanche » Wed Nov 4, 2015 9:12 pm

Celtsfan1980 wrote:Let's say the Celtics have the first and fifth picks this year. Who do you want?


Simmons.. then whoever was left out of Ingram, Skal, Brown and Bender

That top 5 (just for one pick) is where we want to be
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Post#203 » by ryaningf » Thu Nov 5, 2015 6:34 pm

Harry Giles tore his ACL. Again:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/top-basketball-recruit-harry-giles-faces-rehab-from-second-torn-acl-110515

What a bummer. I realize this kid isn't draft eligible until 2017 but damn he's such a good player. Absolutely killed it this summer on the u-19 team. Was on track to be the #1 overall pick in 2017. What crap.
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Post#204 » by ImChillin01 » Fri Nov 6, 2015 11:57 am

ryaningf wrote:Harry Giles tore his ACL. Again:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/top-basketball-recruit-harry-giles-faces-rehab-from-second-torn-acl-110515

What a bummer. I realize this kid isn't draft eligible until 2017 but damn he's such a good player. Absolutely killed it this summer on the u-19 team. Was on track to be the #1 overall pick in 2017. What crap.

Doesn't really matter he's still in HS. Better for him to get injury like this in HS than in one year in college
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Post#205 » by ryaningf » Fri Nov 6, 2015 3:22 pm

ImChillin01 wrote:
ryaningf wrote:Harry Giles tore his ACL. Again:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/top-basketball-recruit-harry-giles-faces-rehab-from-second-torn-acl-110515

What a bummer. I realize this kid isn't draft eligible until 2017 but damn he's such a good player. Absolutely killed it this summer on the u-19 team. Was on track to be the #1 overall pick in 2017. What crap.

Doesn't really matter he's still in HS. Better for him to get injury like this in HS than in one year in college


I guess that's a silver lining of sorts.

But it does matter. Dude has torn both ACLs as a teenager. 2 prime developmental years down the tubes, spent rehabbing instead.

He's a great kid and talent, one of the best US born prospects in the last 10 years IMO. Hate to see somebody like that suffer like this. Still has a shot at being the #1 overall in 2017 but damn life is not fair.
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Post#206 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Nov 7, 2015 7:32 am

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Post#207 » by BfB » Sun Nov 8, 2015 4:09 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/662842939404496896[/tweet]


This kid is soft as tissue paper - wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. NBA competition will expose all his flaws in a way that collegiate competition will only occassionally show.

None of the current projected top 3 guys are overwhelming right now. I'd trade a top 3 pick in 2016 for a chance at a top 3 in 2017 to get Giles or Jayson Tatum.

Bender and Labissere are the only guys I feel even close to safe about. Ingrim isn't elite, Brown is extremely poor as a decision maker, and Simmons has shown waay to many signs of not being a an effort guy.

This isn't the year to keep a top 3 pick from what i've watched of hese fuys the past 3 years, its the year to trade it.
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Post#208 » by peachbucket » Sun Nov 8, 2015 4:24 am

BfB wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/662842939404496896[/tweet]


This kid is soft as tissue paper - wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. NBA competition will expose all his flaws in a way that collegiate competition will only occassionally show.

None of the current projected top 3 guys are overwhelming right now. I'd trade a top 3 pick in 2016 for a chance at a top 3 in 2017 to get Giles or Jayson Tatum.

Bender and Labissere are the only guys I feel even close to safe about. Ingrim isn't elite, Brown is extremely poor as a decision maker, and Simmons has shown waay to many signs of not being a an effort guy.

This isn't the year to keep a top 3 pick from what i've watched of hese fuys the past 3 years, its the year to trade it.


BfB, how many of Simmons and Jalen's non all-star games have you seen?
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Post#209 » by BfB » Sun Nov 8, 2015 5:37 am

peachbucket wrote:
BfB wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/662842939404496896[/tweet]


This kid is soft as tissue paper - wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. NBA competition will expose all his flaws in a way that collegiate competition will only occassionally show.

None of the current projected top 3 guys are overwhelming right now. I'd trade a top 3 pick in 2016 for a chance at a top 3 in 2017 to get Giles or Jayson Tatum.

Bender and Labissere are the only guys I feel even close to safe about. Ingrim isn't elite, Brown is extremely poor as a decision maker, and Simmons has shown waay to many signs of not being a an effort guy.

This isn't the year to keep a top 3 pick from what i've watched of hese fuys the past 3 years, its the year to trade it.


BfB, how many of Simmons and Jalen's non all-star games have you seen?


They're pre-collegiate's - everything they do is an "All Star game".

I've seen each of these guys at least a dozen times in different settings. It's the non-game settings that I think truly show where a kid is at in terms of maturity and approach.

Nothing's etched in stone and i'll be watching like everyone else all season, but Ben Simmons scares the bejebus out of me. I want to love him - he's got all the physical and skill attributes, save shooting - but all my alarms go off when I see him at work. He just does not strike me as a kid who is willing to get dirty and do the tough work necessary to be a superstar. Maybe he learns that somehow as he's challenged more, but in my experience players either have that relentless wuality or they don't. He's far too casual for my taste.

Jaylen Brown is a great kid, I like him as a person, alot. I just don't sense that he can handle the Burden of being a bonafide number one thoe player. He seems like the guy behind the guy, which is fine. But he's an average shooter who reads defenses extremely poorly at this stage and I have teouble looking at him and saying "that guy is goingmtomscore all day".

I'd seriously look at trade scenarios unless BOS falls for Dragan Bender or has a shot at Skal as a 5/4 skill big in Stevens's system. If not, i'd rather trade the pick to Miami for Winslow or parlay it into a solid shot at a 2017 top 5 or another quality young veteran.

This draft class has been heralded as a very weak one for a reason and i've seen nothing out of the top guys to refute that - they're all hard to project as sure-fire starters, let alone franchise level stars.

Bit thats why they play the game. It's just my feeling right now. I reserve the right to change my mind as the season goes on and we see more of these guys in more competitive circumstances.
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Post#210 » by BfB » Sun Nov 8, 2015 5:40 am

ryaningf wrote:
ImChillin01 wrote:
ryaningf wrote:Harry Giles tore his ACL. Again:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/top-basketball-recruit-harry-giles-faces-rehab-from-second-torn-acl-110515

What a bummer. I realize this kid isn't draft eligible until 2017 but damn he's such a good player. Absolutely killed it this summer on the u-19 team. Was on track to be the #1 overall pick in 2017. What crap.

Doesn't really matter he's still in HS. Better for him to get injury like this in HS than in one year in college


I guess that's a silver lining of sorts.

But it does matter. Dude has torn both ACLs as a teenager. 2 prime developmental years down the tubes, spent rehabbing instead.

He's a great kid and talent, one of the best US born prospects in the last 10 years IMO. Hate to see somebody like that suffer like this. Still has a shot at being the #1 overall in 2017 but damn life is not fair.


I love this kid to death - floored me to hear he'd miss the year. Still think he'll bounce back, but its always scary to fear that his body may not be durable enough to handle what he demands out of it - not super common to have two acl tears before college. He's a special kid though, i'd gamble on him if I got a solid medical report - he's the real deal.
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Post#211 » by ImChillin01 » Sun Nov 8, 2015 12:42 pm

ryaningf wrote:
ImChillin01 wrote:
ryaningf wrote:Harry Giles tore his ACL. Again:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/top-basketball-recruit-harry-giles-faces-rehab-from-second-torn-acl-110515

What a bummer. I realize this kid isn't draft eligible until 2017 but damn he's such a good player. Absolutely killed it this summer on the u-19 team. Was on track to be the #1 overall pick in 2017. What crap.

Doesn't really matter he's still in HS. Better for him to get injury like this in HS than in one year in college


I guess that's a silver lining of sorts.

But it does matter. Dude has torn both ACLs as a teenager. 2 prime developmental years down the tubes, spent rehabbing instead.

He's a great kid and talent, one of the best US born prospects in the last 10 years IMO. Hate to see somebody like that suffer like this. Still has a shot at being the #1 overall in 2017 but damn life is not fair.

He'll be fine, still play his fresh year and dominant if hes good as people say he is. Top 3 pick
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Post#212 » by ImChillin01 » Sun Nov 8, 2015 12:45 pm

BfB wrote:
ryaningf wrote:
ImChillin01 wrote:Doesn't really matter he's still in HS. Better for him to get injury like this in HS than in one year in college


I guess that's a silver lining of sorts.

But it does matter. Dude has torn both ACLs as a teenager. 2 prime developmental years down the tubes, spent rehabbing instead.

He's a great kid and talent, one of the best US born prospects in the last 10 years IMO. Hate to see somebody like that suffer like this. Still has a shot at being the #1 overall in 2017 but damn life is not fair.


I love this kid to death - floored me to hear he'd miss the year. Still think he'll bounce back, but its always scary to fear that his body may not be durable enough to handle what he demands out of it - not super common to have two acl tears before college. He's a special kid though, i'd gamble on him if I got a solid medical report - he's the real deal.

He'll be fine, still play his fresh year and dominant if hes good as people say he is. Top 3 pick
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Post#213 » by Shamrock » Sun Nov 8, 2015 2:07 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/662842939404496896[/tweet]

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Post#214 » by Shamrock » Sun Nov 8, 2015 2:10 pm

Skal's first PS game

Spoiler:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoRzAy8zsCo[/youtube]


Murray's first PS game

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InmT9ZBqMg8[/youtube]
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Post#215 » by ConstableGeneva » Sun Nov 8, 2015 6:07 pm

Shamrock wrote:Skal's first PS game

Spoiler:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoRzAy8zsCo[/youtube]


Murray's first PS game

Spoiler:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InmT9ZBqMg8[/youtube]

I know Labissiere will never live up to the White Mamba, but we need another Skal/Scal to be the next Celtic great.
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Post#216 » by DK-All Day » Sun Nov 8, 2015 6:58 pm

Skal will be the next great Kentucky PF/C.(Noel, Davis, Cousins). He has looked good in pre season.
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Post#217 » by Slartibartfast » Sun Nov 8, 2015 7:01 pm

BfB might be down on this draft, but sign me up for a top 5 loaded with skilled 2-way forwards and bigs. Basically everything we're missing on this team.
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Post#218 » by Shamrock » Sun Nov 8, 2015 7:16 pm

DK-All Day wrote:Skal will be the next great Kentucky PF/C.(Noel, Davis, Cousins). He has looked good in pre season.

Yep... I'd take him over Simmons all day every day. I just don't see where Simmons fits in the league, horrible jumper and questionable demeanor who doesn't bring much on the defensive end. He's a really weird player, is he a 3 or a 4? Idk hopefully he'll prove me wrong but I don't see the hype with Simmons at all.
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Post#219 » by 165bows » Sun Nov 8, 2015 8:13 pm

Is worth noting... Both Simmons and Skal could easily be Sophomores age-wise. And there isn't much to be gleaned from these early season games against bad comp. Just too overmatched.
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Post#220 » by jordb2k7 » Sun Nov 8, 2015 8:20 pm

165bows wrote:Is worth noting... Both Simmons and Skal could easily be Sophomores age-wise. And there isn't much to be gleaned from these early season games against bad comp. Just too overmatched.


^^^, those teams were garbage in the highlights.

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