Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[Froob]

If Cavs get wrecked by the Dubs, I wonder if there's a chance to trade AB & Crowder for TT.

[Froob]

From Bulpett, so basically from Ainge

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[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

If Cavs get wrecked by the Dubs, I wonder if there's a chance to trade AB & Crowder for TT.

Would probably get Love before they traded TT

[watsonthedragon]

From Bulpett, so basically from Ainge

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Any chance we could get him without giving up this years pick? Additionally, would it be possibly to fit both him and Hayward under the cap?

[Slartibartfast]

From Bulpett, so basically from Ainge

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Any chance we could get him without giving up this years pick? Additionally, would it be possibly to fit both him and Hayward under the cap?

Diminishing returns start to kick in with IT/Hayward/George. Would only want 2/3 of that group.

And I don't really like the acquisition cost (likely Jaylen and BK18) without a great frontcourt move to go along with it.

Horford isn't good enough to be on an island in the middle. And PG13 isn't a dominant PF like LBJ or Green.

[2Mas]

From Bulpett, so basically from Ainge

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Any chance we could get him without giving up this years pick? Additionally, would it be possibly to fit both him and Hayward under the cap?

Diminishing returns start to kick in with IT/Hayward/George. Would only want 2/3 of that group.

And I don't really like the acquisition cost (likely Jaylen and BK18) without a great frontcourt move to go along with it.

Horford isn't good enough to be on an island in the middle. And PG13 isn't a dominant PF like LBJ or Green.

Thisss mannn. X100.

We don't need 3 ball hungry perimeter players who can all do the same stuff.

IF (lets just say), we can get PG13 to commit & we don't have to give up our #1 pick (Bradley, Brown, BKN 18), we'd only loos about 5-6mil of cap space & can go after bigs in FA. Whether that's Green & Len?, or Dedmon & Williams.

Thomas - Rozier
Smart - Fultz
George - Crowder
Green - Williams
Horford - Olynyk

Or flip that.. If Hayward is willing to come here, then move those other pieces for an established big man. & balance out the roster that way. Don't need all 3 on the team.

[Ben-N1ce]

From Bulpett, so basically from Ainge

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Can't see him giving anything more than a verbal commitment and I don't trust anyone.

[Gomes3PC]

From Bulpett, so basically from Ainge

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Any chance we could get him without giving up this years pick? Additionally, would it be possibly to fit both him and Hayward under the cap?

Diminishing returns start to kick in with IT/Hayward/George. Would only want 2/3 of that group.

And I don't really like the acquisition cost (likely Jaylen and BK18) without a great frontcourt move to go along with it.

Horford isn't good enough to be on an island in the middle. And PG13 isn't a dominant PF like LBJ or Green.

Yeah, if we get Hayward, the next move should be doing everything possible to pry away a big man in a trade. Someone like DeAndre, Drummond, even a 2nd tier piece like Robin Lopez, Faried or Cody Zeller. Favors would be my dream pick but doubt Utah would play ball if we already stole Hayward from them.

[2Mas]

Any chance we could get him without giving up this years pick? Additionally, would it be possibly to fit both him and Hayward under the cap?

Diminishing returns start to kick in with IT/Hayward/George. Would only want 2/3 of that group.

And I don't really like the acquisition cost (likely Jaylen and BK18) without a great frontcourt move to go along with it.

Horford isn't good enough to be on an island in the middle. And PG13 isn't a dominant PF like LBJ or Green.

Yeah, if we get Hayward, the next move should be doing everything possible to pry away a big man in a trade. Someone like DeAndre, Drummond, even a 2nd tier piece like Robin Lopez, Faried or Cody Zeller. Favors would be my dream pick but doubt Utah would play ball if we already stole Hayward from them.

You really like Favors?

I think they'd give him to us rather easily. Gonna be in line for a huge pay day. He clogs the paint with Rudy & he's been very unhealthy (this year was horrible & the year before that too). That said, i'd be down to make a move for him if it's not too much. I loved Favors 1-2 years ago. Thought he was gonna be like a 18-10 guy & an issue for these small teams down low.

[Gomes3PC]

Favors is not perfect, but...

1. He's been in an awful fit next to Gobert. Put him next to a spacing big like Horford and the fit is dramatically better
2. He's 25 years old despite a ton of experience. There is still room for improvement for a guy like that
3. He has had injuries but 4 of his 7 years he played 73+ games, and none of the injuries appear to be too serious
4. His rebounding rate is elite, and he's also an elite rim protector. Again, both these are good skills that are somewhat wasted thanks to Gobert
5. He's got decent touch a la Amir to give a modicum spacing without the 3 pointer

Basically, he's like an upgraded version of 2015-16 Amir, and we were a much better team with the non-balky-ankles Amir. If you have IT, Hayward, Bradley, Horford, Fultz, you have enough guys to score/create. What we need is a guy who can eat glass and at least make guys like LeBron and Kyrie think twice before finishing in the paint.

[Slartibartfast]

Any chance we could get him without giving up this years pick? Additionally, would it be possibly to fit both him and Hayward under the cap?

Diminishing returns start to kick in with IT/Hayward/George. Would only want 2/3 of that group.

And I don't really like the acquisition cost (likely Jaylen and BK18) without a great frontcourt move to go along with it.

Horford isn't good enough to be on an island in the middle. And PG13 isn't a dominant PF like LBJ or Green.

Yeah, if we get Hayward, the next move should be doing everything possible to pry away a big man in a trade. Someone like DeAndre, Drummond, even a 2nd tier piece like Robin Lopez, Faried or Cody Zeller. Favors would be my dream pick but doubt Utah would play ball if we already stole Hayward from them.

This is one reason I almost hope we don't get Hayward - the big man solutions we'd then move to fix would be both expensive and insufficient.

My big wish list, other than unattainables like AD, Towns, Embiid, Gobert and Turner to a lesser extent (and Noel to an even lesser extent), is all guys who aren't in the NBA yet - Collins, Ayton, Bamba, Robert Williams (really like this kid).

[BleedGreen1989]

If Cavs get wrecked by the Dubs, I wonder if there's a chance to trade AB & Crowder for TT.

Ew.

[Celts17Pride]

From Bulpett, so basically from Ainge

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Which PG isn't willing to do

[Banks2Pierce]

This is one reason I almost hope we don't get Hayward - the big man solutions we'd then move to fix would be both expensive and insufficient.

My big wish list, other than unattainables like AD, Towns, Embiid, Gobert and Turner to a lesser extent (and Noel to an even lesser extent), is all guys who aren't in the NBA yet - Collins, Ayton, Bamba, Robert Williams (really like this kid).

The 24-30 year old bigs really are a thin list. The ones who can play the 4 are Love, Draymond, and Blake and you're falling into the Olynyk types quicker than you'd realize if you're drawing up a rankings list. Horford's shooting maybe makes the Vooch/Faried types more palatable.

[24istheLAW]

This is one reason I almost hope we don't get Hayward - the big man solutions we'd then move to fix would be both expensive and insufficient.

My big wish list, other than unattainables like AD, Towns, Embiid, Gobert and Turner to a lesser extent (and Noel to an even lesser extent), is all guys who aren't in the NBA yet - Collins, Ayton, Bamba, Robert Williams (really like this kid).

You'd have to rebalance the roster using one of Fultz and IT if you sign Hayward. I think most of the people who are in favor of signing Hayward would change their mind if they became aware of/accepted that.

[2Mas]

Favors is not perfect, but...

1. He's been in an awful fit next to Gobert. Put him next to a spacing big like Horford and the fit is dramatically better
2. He's 25 years old despite a ton of experience. There is still room for improvement for a guy like that
3. He has had injuries but 4 of his 7 years he played 73+ games, and none of the injuries appear to be too serious
4. His rebounding rate is elite, and he's also an elite rim protector. Again, both these are good skills that are somewhat wasted thanks to Gobert
5. He's got decent touch a la Amir to give a modicum spacing without the 3 pointer

Basically, he's like an upgraded version of 2015-16 Amir, and we were a much better team with the non-balky-ankles Amir. If you have IT, Hayward, Bradley, Horford, Fultz, you have enough guys to score/create. What we need is a guy who can eat glass and at least make guys like LeBron and Kyrie think twice before finishing in the paint.

Right. I like it. I see it 100%.

I'd be down as long as it's nothing crazy. The knees concern me a lot tho. He'd play a week & have to take 2 weeks off for knee soreness. Hopefully a summer off he can get his knee right & go back to the 16-9 he was getting.

[greenroom31]

I'm going to spitball some crazy **** ideas, so please comment on how you'd fix them etc. as targets for some big men:

#1 -- Myles Turner

Imagine that the Pacers decide they want to keep Paul George and think they need to upgrade the team to make them more competitive in order for him to stick around. So they trade Bradley and Crowder for Turner and Thaddeus Young in order to give them a core of:

Ellis/Bradley/PG/Crowder plus some young guys and depends on who they renew.

The Celtics then draft Fultz and sign Hayward to roll out a top 8 of:

Fultz/IT/Smart/Hayward/T.Young/J.Brown/Horford/Turner

I don't know, maybe this doesn't really make sense of Indiana, shrug.


#2 -- Aaron Gordon

Imagine the new GM in Orlando wants to do something about the imbalance on the roster, and foolishly decides to try to be more competitive now instead of focusing on the future. So they trade Gordon and a top 5 protected 2018 1st for IT, giving them a core of:

IT/Payton/Fournier/Ross/Vucevic/Biyombo plus whoever they draft at #6

The Celtics then draft Fultz and sign Hayward to roll out a top 8 of:

Fultz/AB/Smart/Hayward/Crowder/J.Brown/Gordon/Horford


#3 -- Porzingis

Imagine the Knicks in their incredible stupidity decide to engage in a pissing match with their young star/prospect Center. So they trade Porzingis and Melo to the Celtics for AB, Crowder, Zeller and Mickey (to make the salaries match). The Knicks end up with a "core" of:

AB/Crowder/Noah/C.Lee/Lance Thomas/Hernangomez and bunch of other disgusting players plus whoever they take with the #8 pick

The Celtics then draft Fultz and sign Hayward to roll out a top 8 of:

Fultz/IT/Smart/Hayward/J.Brown/Melo/Horford/Porzingis


I know these are all long shots, put trying to think of ways to get young big men prospects that have some minor chance of being available without sending all sorts of picks and prospects everywhere. Bash away...

[ddb]

From Bulpett, so basically from Ainge

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Which PG isn't willing to do

IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO TRADE AWAY KEY ASSETS FOR A PLAYER THAT WILL BE SEEKING A MEGA DEAL NEXT SUMMER.

Personally, I am not trading away the #1 pick even if George verbally commits to extending in Boston. Why do that when Ainge could draft Fultz AND sign Hayward in free agency without giving up any assets. save those assets for a trade for a big man.

My dream offseason is Anthony Davis and Gordon Hayward.

I'm also interested in a Fultz, Hayward, trade for a big type offseason.

I have a funny feeling Ainge is ready to go gangbusters this offseason.

[165bows]

This is one reason I almost hope we don't get Hayward - the big man solutions we'd then move to fix would be both expensive and insufficient.

My big wish list, other than unattainables like AD, Towns, Embiid, Gobert and Turner to a lesser extent (and Noel to an even lesser extent), is all guys who aren't in the NBA yet - Collins, Ayton, Bamba, Robert Williams (really like this kid).

The 24-30 year old bigs really are a thin list. The ones who can play the 4 are Love, Draymond, and Blake and you're falling into the Olynyk types quicker than you'd realize if you're drawing up a rankings list. Horford's shooting maybe makes the Vooch/Faried types more palatable.

I've heard lots of talk recently about how deep the bigs are now, but I don't agree. There is lots of mediocrity, and 3 out of the top 20 PPG guys are true big men. Even fewer are real threats on both sides of the ball.

[Banks2Pierce]

IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO TRADE AWAY KEY ASSETS FOR A PLAYER THAT WILL BE SEEKING A MEGA DEAL NEXT SUMMER.

Personally, I am not trading away the #1 pick even if George verbally commits to extending in Boston. Why do that when Ainge could draft Fultz AND sign Hayward in free agency without giving up any assets. save those assets for a trade for a big man.

It makes a bit of sense if you will not have cap space next summer and have the assets now and will also be able to win enough to keep the player. I think we'll be able to put up an offer without Fultz, but it still has to be sensible and not completely empty out the cabinet.