All things Draft Pick. #3

[FlatearthZorro]

Just getting home. Time for bed. Expecting a trade with the Celtics and Bulls on draft night for Butler.

Pretty much this. I expect #3 + 1 more pick in the future + Crowder and probably Bradley and a guy like Smart or Rozier to be gone in that deal. Let's see if I come close. Reports last season were that the Bulls liked Jae and Danny didn't wanna trade him, but if you're getting Hayward, you don't need Jae who wont be too happy about being a bench guy after starting for about 3 seasons.

[HomoSapien]

Out of curiosity, what non Celtics picks do currently own?

[BeanTownBrawler]

Yea everyone going crazy needs to calm down. There is no difference in the top 4-6 picks this year in terms of talent and upside. Ainge traded for equal value and got huge added optionality.

I'm pumped if we simply get Jackson/Isaac/Tatum/Ball/Fox

I'm sure we have a sick team this year and even better one next year

[CollegeToPros]

To me it seems like Ainge is trying to trade for an all star (like Butler or George) AND still keep 2 top 5 lottery picks from his assets.

He knew individually that the #1 pick had way too much value to trade it so he broke them up into 2 slightly less assets.

Now, he can use one of the 2017 3rd pick OR the 2018 LAL pick OR the 2018 BKN pick w/ some additional fillers and minor assets.

Then we can sign Hayward or Griffin in free agency (preferably Hayward) and roll out a line up of :

1. IT
2. Butler
3. Hayward
4. Horford
5. Zizic

OR

1. IT
2. Butler
3. Crowder
4. Griffin
5. Horford

w/ variations of crowder, smart, rozier, jaylen, zizic on the bench

&&&& we STILL have the BKN and LAL pick in 2018

(2 potential TOP 5 PICKS w/ that **** roster is nuts)

&& if you wanna be a pussy and rather not take the risk with the LAL/SAC pick, trade that one instead and keep the #3 pick. Pick Josh Jackson who is also GREAT prospect w/ ALL STAR potential (who we all would have gladly taken before this season even started).

Also with the 2018 draft having more bigs and forwards, it should be more valuable for us. Imagine BKN & LAL sucking again (pretty **** realistic if you ask me) and having the choice of selecting 2 of Porter, Doncic, Bamba, Ayton.


People needa calm the **** down and take a deep breath.

Danny Ainge knows what he's doing lol.

If we get Butler and gauarantee ourselves another top 5 pick in the next two years. That's a Win. Again unless Fultz is a top 20 player, then we lose the trade. But our chances of it being successful is a lot more.

[ConstableGeneva]

Out of curiosity, what non Celtics picks do currently own?

1sts?
2018 - BRK; LAL 2-5 (via PHI)
2019 - LAC 15-30 (via MEM); MEM 9-30; SAC (via PHI) if not already settled
2020 - LAC 15-30 (via MEM) if not already settled; MEM 7-30 if not already settled
2021 - MEM if not already settled

[GreenBloodedC]

To me it seems like Ainge is trying to trade for an all star (like Butler or George) AND still keep 2 top 5 lottery picks from his assets.

He knew individually that the #1 pick had way too much value to trade it so he broke them up into 2 slightly less assets.

Now, he can use one of the 2017 3rd pick OR the 2018 LAL pick OR the 2018 BKN pick w/ some additional fillers and minor assets.

Then we can sign Hayward or Griffin in free agency (preferably Hayward) and roll out a line up of :

1. IT
2. Butler
3. Hayward
4. Horford
5. Zizic

OR

1. IT
2. Butler
3. Crowder
4. Griffin
5. Horford

w/ variations of crowder, smart, rozier, jaylen, zizic on the bench

&&&& we STILL have the BKN and LAL pick in 2018

(2 potential TOP 5 PICKS w/ that **** roster is nuts)

&& if you wanna be a pussy and rather not take the risk with the LAL/SAC pick, trade that one instead and keep the #3 pick. Pick Josh Jackson who is also GREAT prospect w/ ALL STAR potential (who we all would have gladly taken before this season even started).

Also with the 2018 draft having more bigs and forwards, it should be more valuable for us. Imagine BKN & LAL sucking again (pretty **** realistic if you ask me) and having the choice of selecting 2 of Porter, Doncic, Bamba, Ayton.


People needa calm the **** down and take a deep breath.

Danny Ainge knows what he's doing lol.

That's the way I'm seeing it.

Ainge is going the compete now route but with a contingency plan. And the contingency plan is the remaining picks and hope that our the ping pong balls will bounce in our favor.

Not the semi competing route while trying to develop fultz/young players.

[Grahf]

I've been coming to this board a long time and I've never had to write this until today: Danny screwed up. Faith shaken. Fultz is way better than anyone else in this draft and the Lakers will be better next year. I really don't understand this at all unless Danny is convinced Jackson is Scottie Pippen.

Championship teams are built around superstars. We had one sittingthere for the taking. He wanted to be a Celtic. And for some inexplicable reason, we let him slip through our fingers.

[reload141]

I've been coming to this board a long time and I've never had to write this until today: Danny screwed up. Faith shaken. Fultz is way better than anyone else in this draft and the Lakers will be better next year. I really don't understand this at all unless Danny is convinced Jackson is Scottie Pippen.

Championship teams are built around superstars. We had one sittingthere for the taking. He wanted to be a Celtic. And for some inexplicable reason, we let him slip through our fingers.

There's a legitimate reason. This is the alternative path now we are going down.

[Grahf]

Enough with this Jimmy Butler crap. If he was on the Warriors he would come off the bench. We gave up 9 years of Fultz for that?!

[Grahf]

I've been coming to this board a long time and I've never had to write this until today: Danny screwed up. Faith shaken. Fultz is way better than anyone else in this draft and the Lakers will be better next year. I really don't understand this at all unless Danny is convinced Jackson is Scottie Pippen.

Championship teams are built around superstars. We had one sittingthere for the taking. He wanted to be a Celtic. And for some inexplicable reason, we let him slip through our fingers.

There's a legitimate reason. This is the alternative path now we are going down.

I hope you are right. I am just not seeing it right now. Maybe it's too raw and I'll see it tomorrow.

[Johnny Tomala]

Terrible trade. I was first on this board to predict Ainge will draft Jackson. Me on 17th May:

I hope we draft him but knowing Ainge drafting history it wouldn't surprise me to see him draft Jackson. I'm all in on Fultz train.

If we don't get any all-star and just select Jackson and keep him, this trade is terrible.

[SmartWentCrazy]

A few months ago, Chad Ford tweeted out that some GMs had Tatum as #1. Given that Ainge leaks to Ford, I'm gunna go out on a limb and say Ainge had Tatum at #1.

Jackson is a smokescreen. Tatum is our target. I'm willing to be we're not trading this pick, either. We're gunna draft Tatum to be the long term 3/4 to Brown's 2/3. We're still gunna try to sign Hayward to be the long term 3, too.

[reload141]

Wonder what Crowder will tweet when he gets traded

[Gurton Buster]

Enough with this Jimmy Butler crap. If he was on the Warriors he would come off the bench. We gave up 9 years of Fultz for that?!

Butler >> Klay.

I don't understand why people choose to ignore Klay's inconsistent play during his playoff career. He's always given a pass for some reason. He averaged 15 points in the playoffs this year...

[Gurton Buster]

Wonder what Crowder will tweet when he gets traded

Think it's more likely Bradley gets traded opposed to Crowder. It's gonna be a very narrow gap to include all the hypothetical players and Jae will be extremely valuable with his contract.

Bradley will get 15+ mil offers and there's no way we would be able to afford that.

[Murta]

There is some relatively legitimate info that Suns like Isaac at 4. Could you imagine trading #3 for #5 and #10, picking up Tatum or Jackson at #5 and Collins at #10? That seems like the best case scenario for us if we don't trade for established players. Heck, it's a dream scenario and even both could be there if Kings trade up for Fox.

[Green_teamer]

Out of curiosity, what non Celtics picks do currently own?

Next year we got Brooklyn and lakers if it's between 2 and 5 and then the year after we get Sacramento if lakers not conveyed and Memphis and clipper pick. Both with protections. Memphis protections go 1-8 then 1-6 then unprotected in 2021..and then on top of these we have like a dozen second round picks

[Mulhollanddrive]

Phoenix fan here and hope you guys take Jackson.

I find him hard to root for and don't like his 55 FT%.

[Green_teamer]

And I think a major factor in this deal is it gives us enough cap space to sign a max free agent without having to trade Bradley crowder or smart. I don't know that it nessecarily means we're going to trade for Butler or anything. I think Ainge thought the gap between Fultz and Jackson was pretty narrow and getting another guaranteed lottery pick wasn't so bad. It'll help in free agency. Now ainge doesn't have to explain why he traded Bradley or whoever to Hayward when Heyward wants to win now

[ConstableGeneva]

The scale amount for #3 is $4,704,500.00

The cap hold for that pick is 120% of that or $5,645,400.00

The cap hold changes to 120% with the new CBA because 99.9% of all draft picks signed for the max they were allowed which was 120% of the scale amount.

Question 1: When can rookies be signed? Can they be signed as soon they're drafted or does the team have to wait until July 1?
Question 2: If a team wants to trade its player for another player (both non-FAs), which salaries are used for matching if it's executed before July 1? Is there a cutoff date when new salaries are used for salary matching?

The reason I asked is AB + #3 doesn't seem enough for a hypothetical trade for Paul George if salaries for 2017-18 are used but it's enough if salaries for 2016-17 are used. It appears if a trade for a star happens, it would have to come after a hypothetical max FA signing, is that correct? In that case, additional salary would be needed in my made-up trade (probably a signed 2nd rounder?).

Thanks in advance for the help!