Celtics General Offseason Thread, 2019 – Welcome to the Party, #2

[Triple7]

I want there to be a trade to bring star player/ difference maker but I just don't see it at this point. We need to bring the young players back and increase their trade value. This includes Rozier. We shouldn't trade when their value is low, let them bounce back so they are valuable assets. If Hayward comes back as the old Hayward then we can trade him at the deadline for a decent package. That's why I don't see much happening right now.

Rozier would want to get paid, so a big NO to him. The guy has no playmaking skills and below average shooting for a pg.

[TheOGJabroni]

It's funny how things work out sometimes. Not too long ago, we would have been thrilled with where we are as a team right now. We have young talent in Tatum, Brown, Smart; a great young coach in Stevens; one of the best GMs in Ainge; still plenty of draft picks moving forward.

Yet most are extremely disappointed in how this offseason is turning out before July 1st has even rolled around, and rightfully so. Expectations really screwed up the progress of the rebuild. Assuming a different big trade doesn't occur & we run it back with the majority of the same roster from last year plus a few new faces, I think we're going to be fine. We may not be contenders but the outlook of this team is going to look better this time next year than it is now, I can almost guarantee it.

Everyone wants to win & I believe we will get there; it's just going to take more time than people wanted after we acquired Kyrie & looked like the front runners for AD.

[winsomme2]

Am I the only one that thinks KD should be in play?

He does not have an obvious fit right now. He and Kyrie don't appear to be on the same page anymore. The Knicks is a crapshoot as an organization and he's never felt at home in GS.

Plus, GS is moving to a new building next year and needs to be competitive.

Hayward and JB for KD (supermax S&T)

[Triple7]

Am I the only one that thinks KD should be in play?

He does not have an obvious fit right now. He and Kyrie don't appear to be on the same page anymore. The Knicks is a crapshoot as an organization and he's never felt at home in GS.

Plus, GS is moving to a new building next year and needs to be competitive.

Hayward and JB for KD (supermax S&T)

No chance for that to happen. KD would want to team up with stars. Plus i have read that KD checked in a hotel in NY to recover after surgery, and already met Kyrie there to discuss the possibility of teaming up in BK.

[winsomme2]

Am I the only one that thinks KD should be in play?

He does not have an obvious fit right now. He and Kyrie don't appear to be on the same page anymore. The Knicks is a crapshoot as an organization and he's never felt at home in GS.

Plus, GS is moving to a new building next year and needs to be competitive.

Hayward and JB for KD (supermax S&T)

No chance for that to happen. KD would want to team up with stars. Plus i have read that KD checked in a hotel in NY to recover after surgery, and already met Kyrie there to discuss the possibility of teaming up in BK.

What if Kyrie goes to the Lakers?

[brackdan70]

So it looks like we will more than likely be operating as an over the cap and under the tax team (unless Horford goes elsewhere)

Who are the mid level exception guys we could land? We will have the full mid level just over 9 million per year with 5% raises. We could offer a 3/29 deal.
Guys like Julius Randle will command more but any useful guys we could fit?

[TheOGJabroni]

Would anyone have any qualms about a deal with Hayward & draft pick(s) for Conley? It seems like a "kill two birds with one stone" type of deal. We still have too many wing players & lack a true starting PG.

I would consider making that deal & still match any reasonable offer for Rozier. This time with the intention of flipping him later in the year or next offseason. Aside from Kyrie, it is really unlike Ainge to lose an asset for nothing. Then I would re-sign Morris, as he will have a more clear cut role for him as well.

Conley / Rozier (or vet PG)
Brown / Smart
Tatum
Horford / Morris
Baynes / Williams

That's a better version of the team we had two seasons ago & it doesn't cripple us from a cap or future draft pick standpoint. I think the P&R game between Conley & Horford could be fantastic. We have the option of going big by inserting Baynes or "small" with Smart or Morris out there. It gives Tatum & Brown every opportunity to to really take the reigns as well.

[TheOGJabroni]

So it looks like we will more than likely be operating as an over the cap and under the tax team (unless Horford goes elsewhere)

Who are the mid level exception guys we could land? We will have the full mid level just over 9 million per year with 5% raises. We could offer a 3/29 deal.
Guys like Julius Randle will command more but any useful guys we could fit?

I assume it's going to be a PG unless we trade for one. Rubio, Beverley, Rondo, etc. Even if Rozier is back, we're going to need help there.

[darylbe]

I hope we get russel back from kyrie somehow.

Russell brown gordon tatum al is a good starting 5
If al goes then we need to figure out who starts at the C position and there’s literally 0 cap space. In that case gordon dosnt fit at all so he probably gets offloaded too. But keeping both would be a good vet presence in a team that will be lead by younglings.

there's no way to "get russell back" from kyrie.
1- why would kyrie want to help boston?
2- why would the nets want to help boston?

DLO would need to sign as a free agent, just like anywhere else. it doesnt earn him any more money, nor would it get kyrie any more money.

I believe with kyrie off the books, you get 21ish mil. By restructuring Al's deal of 30mil for 2019-20, to say 20 mil per year for 3 years (yea, I dont want him back, but I think this is likely the scenario), that should cover it... right?

rozier's stock is down, otherwise Id suggest a sign and trade. but who wants a shoot first PG that cant shoot

[jfs1000d]

Let’s get Al 3 years, $20 million.

I want him in the team.

Rozier?

Rozier, I just don’t think he is good enough. I see elite talent, but no consistency. I know brad and Danny love him though.

Big issue is we have essentially have three small forwards, a point center and smart.

Could be very good, could be very bad.

Can Brown/Hayward/Tatum play together. If they can, love the offensive ability.

Smart
brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

Sixth starter is Baynes.


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[Tiny ball]

Again, the TEAM got the first seed, and subsequently played the 8th and 4th seed teams because of majority of a season where kyrie was the best player. They wouldn't have been "minutes away from the finals" if it wasn't for kyrie.

How do people seriously miss this

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East is lots stronger now also. As team stands now unless Hayward is 100% AL stays it is near lottery team.

[winsomme2]

Again, the TEAM got the first seed, and subsequently played the 8th and 4th seed teams because of majority of a season where kyrie was the best player. They wouldn't have been "minutes away from the finals" if it wasn't for kyrie.

How do people seriously miss this

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East is lots stronger now also. As team stands now unless Hayward is 100% AL stays it is near lottery team.

The East is in total flux right now. If Kawhi leaves TOR and Butler leaves PHI and Kyrie leaves us. We are all middle of the pack IMO.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Again, the TEAM got the first seed, and subsequently played the 8th and 4th seed teams because of majority of a season where kyrie was the best player. They wouldn't have been "minutes away from the finals" if it wasn't for kyrie.

How do people seriously miss this

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Well, for starters we werent the first seed...

I agree Kyrie helped significantly with HCA, FWIW, but lets not take away the fact that our players played super well too and flat out rocked a sixers team that was the favorite to make it to the finals.

[darylbe]

One more thing and I'm done for like an hour...

Smartwentcrazy, you're right. They played very well. But to pull that off over a full season? Na.

The same fans that feel "without kyrie, it's the same team that was minutes from the finals two years ago" are the same people that thought we were getting handed the championship this year, or a shoe in for the finals.

This is the same mentality that the team has, and a large part of the reason why we are in this situation. JB JT and Terry success 2 year ago went to their heads. Look at how much nonsense they talk. And unless that mindset changes, count on giannis single handedly bending this team over and screwing them.

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[Tiny ball]

Let’s get Al 3 years, $20 million.

I want him in the team.

Rozier?

Rozier, I just don’t think he is good enough. I see elite talent, but no consistency. I know brad and Danny love him though.

Big issue is we have essentially have three small forwards, a point center and smart.

Could be very good, could be very bad.

Can Brown/Hayward/Tatum play together. If they can, love the offensive ability.

Smart
brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

Sixth starter is Baynes.


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"elite talent" I might have missed one or two games since Rozier has been a Celtic. I have never seen this "elite talent"? I think he had nice little run two years ago for some games. I see below average back up combo guard. No way worth what even smart is getting. Should have been traded last year. Imho

[Scarletfire81]

I want there to be a trade to bring star player/ difference maker but I just don't see it at this point. We need to bring the young players back and increase their trade value. This includes Rozier. We shouldn't trade when their value is low, let them bounce back so they are valuable assets. If Hayward comes back as the old Hayward then we can trade him at the deadline for a decent package. That's why I don't see much happening right now.

Rozier would want to get paid, so a big NO to him. The guy has no playmaking skills and below average shooting for a pg.

He could want a big contract all he wants doesn't mean he'll get it. 4/50 may get it done. Not a big risk with that contract.

[FlatearthZorro]

I want there to be a trade to bring star player/ difference maker but I just don't see it at this point. We need to bring the young players back and increase their trade value. This includes Rozier. We shouldn't trade when their value is low, let them bounce back so they are valuable assets. If Hayward comes back as the old Hayward then we can trade him at the deadline for a decent package. That's why I don't see much happening right now.

Rozier would want to get paid, so a big NO to him. The guy has no playmaking skills and below average shooting for a pg.

He could want a big contract all he wants doesn't mean he'll get it. 4/50 may get it done. Not a big risk with that contract.

Qualifying offer.

[jfs1000d]

One more thing and I'm done for like an hour...

Smartwentcrazy, you're right. They played very well. But to pull that off over a full season? Na.

The same fans that feel "without kyrie, it's the same team that was minutes from the finals two years ago" are the same people that thought we were getting handed the championship this year, or a shoe in for the finals.

This is the same mentality that the team has, and a large part of the reason why we are in this situation. JB JT and Terry success 2 year ago went to their heads. Look at how much nonsense they talk. And unless that mindset changes, count on giannis single handedly bending this team over and screwing them.

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They aren’t better without Irving.

But 19-3 with no Kyrie starting? Think about that.

I am more bullish on young players because u watch the games and am not beholden just to stats and advanced metrics.

The conditions are going to change for Brown/Tatum and even Hayward this season with No Kyrie.

I, for one, think they can flourish. I just worry about rebounding.

In playoffs, do they have A killer scorer? That is what Tatum has to be. If he isn’t, then we get blinded second round again.

But, I think Boston is between 44-52 win team without Kyrie with limited upside this year.


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[Celts17Pride]

It’s in the Celtics best interest to try and resign Rozier and Morris. Celtics have very little means of acquiring players. Can’t let two more assets leave with nothing in return. Rozier, Morris and others can always be traded later.

[jfs1000d]

Let’s get Al 3 years, $20 million.

I want him in the team.

Rozier?

Rozier, I just don’t think he is good enough. I see elite talent, but no consistency. I know brad and Danny love him though.

Big issue is we have essentially have three small forwards, a point center and smart.

Could be very good, could be very bad.

Can Brown/Hayward/Tatum play together. If they can, love the offensive ability.

Smart
brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

Sixth starter is Baynes.


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"elite talent" I might have missed one or two games since Rozier has been a Celtic. I have never seen this "elite talent"? I think he had nice little run two years ago for some games. I see below average back up combo guard. No way worth what even smart is getting. Should have been traded last year. Imho

Rozier has elite speed and can get his shot off. He just isn’t a good enough shooter or finisher. But he shows flashes where he looks like an all-star. Look at last year’s playoff run. Look at games when he had the games in his hand as a starter.

I am not a fan. But don’t discount the flashes of brilliance you see. It makes you pause before you write him off.


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