Trade Thread, Part 3: The Fun Continues

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Opinion piece. The part on Smart isn't based on rumors. But KOC is suggesting smart GMs should try to pry him away from the Cs, but he himself wouldn't do it if he's running the Celtics.

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I'd love to steal Derrick White. I proposed one a while ago in a late night flurry... Something like Grant/Wanamaker for White/Metu. Maybe add a 2nd or MIL 20. Maybe not since Grant is our 3rd big at this point.

SA will look to find a new home for LMA and DeRozen before dealing White. They like White.

Yeah, I assumed they do. But, also think Pop would love Grant. Like KOC says in the article, I'm confused why he plays so little. The logical thing would be Murray/White/Walker going forward and DDR/Mills roll off. But, if they can get a better asset for White like Grant and a pick, maybe they'd consider it. Longshot for sure.

[TheOGJabroni]

I read an article from The Athletic that suggested we trade with the Kings for Bogdanovic & Bjelica. I wonder if we could just get Bjelica & wrap the Warriors into this for Burks. I would assume the price tag would be a little cheaper that way. This is what the article suggested:

It is possible for a trade to net Bogdanovic and Bjelica, as Kanter, Poirier, Ojeleye, Edwards and Javonte Green could make the salaries match.

If we could acquire Bjelica & Burks instead, we could keep Kanter out & still not give up any core players (basically late 1sts, 2nds & non-rotation players). I think a this nine man rotation would be dangerous:

Kemba / Smart
Brown / Burks
Hayward
Tatum / Bjelica
Theis / Kanter

The bench gains some much needed shooting. I think we could even keep Ojeleye out of the deal too. While he's not a great player, he could serve a purpose against Milwaukee come playoff time.

[VeryMuchWoke]

If we traded Smart, I’d think it’d be much more preferable to do it in the offseason than during the season for chemistry reasons.

If it improves the team and gives us a path to contending, pull the trigger on any trade at any time.

This season is meaningless. Shoot, without a big move, this entire rebuild is meaningless.

Wendell and Thad for Smart is pretty tempting. I haven't seen enough Wendell to say for sure, but I think we'd have to pull the trigger on that.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If we traded Smart, I’d think it’d be much more preferable to do it in the offseason than during the season for chemistry reasons.

If it improves the team and gives us a path to contending, pull the trigger on any trade at any time.

This season is meaningless. Shoot, without a big move, this entire rebuild is meaningless.

You and I both know that trade doesnt exist right now, though.

[MagicBagley18]

What pick(s) would Boston add to Vincent Poirier and Semi Ojeleye for Montrezl Harrell if the Clippers offered that as part of a bigger deal on their end?

The problem is that we’d have the same problem that would cause the Clippers to deal him: with Smart, Hayward, Brown, Kemba and Tatum (re-signed on a max deal), the luxury tax hit from re-signing him would be too much to keep him. He’d be a strict rental for us.

At some point you just pay the damn tax your trying to win a championship. I am pretty sure this team planned on adding Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Gordon Hayward, and Al Horford all making 27-30 mil a season. I am way more excited about paying 26 year olds than 33 year olds too much money. Make the deal for Harrell and hold the line with Hayward like you did last year with Horford.

i agree that on some point you must pay the tax when going for a ring- the disconnect is that the 1st team you mentioned was a legit contender. it would have dominated the league this year. the biggest threat would be Milwaukee and the clippers as we would have been inserted into the lakers spot.

adding harrell doesn't make us a contender nor does it make us even possible of beating the bucks IMO so i don't think we should jus pay the tax to be marginally or a little better than we are as is

[MagicBagley18]

KAT only gets traded this summer if he demands a trade. harden i doubt rockets move him but it's possible tho unlikely. beal i believe will be available for real this summer.

i do not think we have the ammunition for KAT. Harden's age and body type worries me moving forward although i think him with brad would be ridiculous. that leaves beal who i believe of the 3 you could probably get in the running using brown as the centerpiece (tho im not totally sure)

i would deal brown for beal and i know i will get killed but i don't think brown ever touches beal's level. Harden costs tatum and my whole plan right now is to pair tatum with others not lose him. i believe trading brown for beal is still an upgrade to the team and while not the KG level needle mover- it does make us closer to a real champion

kemba
hayward
beal
tatum

is that enough? you'd have to really get depth and toughness to the team via free agency (with limited resources to do) it is not the typical prototype of having a legit top 10 guy to win a ring but you'd have to hope tatum makes that jump and then you'd have 2 top 20 guys in walker and beal and a top 30 in hayward.

we are limited on our paths to a title and also limited on assets. the 3 guys i mentioned i believe will be closest to becoming available that our ''difference makers'' and KAT depends on him actually going public and doing so and harden depends on morey seeing the writing on the wall.

[sully00]

the Brandon Ingram "rumor" is the most random trade idea of all-time. Why in the world would NOLA ever want to trade Ingram? a 22-year old averaging 25ppg. With Zion/Ingram in place the Pels have a core. The only way this makes sense for NOLA is if they want to acquire someone like KAT via trade and feel like collecting as many picks/assets as possible puts them in the best position to do that.

I call B.S. on this idea. sorry

I don't disagree I can't imagine a worse fit in the NBA for Ingram than Boston. That said I wouldn't be shocked if NOLA wanted to move him.

They have had plenty of experience with guys putting up numbers on suck teams. Brandon Ingram has 40% career winning percentage. It isn't all on him and other guys go on to be great players after struggling to win early in their careers. NOLA thinks they have a superstar in Zion and might be more inclined to try and cash Ingram in for future assets than to commit max dollars to him while Zion develops.

Not even saying it is what I would do they seem like they might fit well together but they have had an up close and personal season with him and if his stats and a weak FA market is pushing his salary beyond the player they think he is then let someone pay you to make that mistake.

[Banks2Pierce]

Spoiler:

Opinion piece. The part on Smart isn't based on rumors. But KOC is suggesting smart GMs should try to pry him away from the Cs, but he himself wouldn't do it if he's running the Celtics.

Read on Twitter

I'd love to steal Derrick White. I proposed one a while ago in a late night flurry... Something like Grant/Wanamaker for White/Metu. Maybe add a 2nd or MIL 20. Maybe not since Grant is our 3rd big at this point.

SA will look to find a new home for LMA and DeRozen before dealing White. They like White.

Probably, but I hope the bois are looking into moves like this and I bet they are. Hunting for guys on their 1st contract or under 26 that might be undervalued by their teams or would be a better fit on ours than theirs.

Derrick White, the Bulls bigs, Orlando bigs, Justise, etc. Looking more and more likely that we get the Memphis pick this year and I think that might make moving 1 of those other 1sts a sensible move.

[Captain_Caveman]

If we traded Smart, I’d think it’d be much more preferable to do it in the offseason than during the season for chemistry reasons.

If it improves the team and gives us a path to contending, pull the trigger on any trade at any time.

This season is meaningless. Shoot, without a big move, this entire rebuild is meaningless.

You and I both know that trade doesnt exist right now, though.

OH, I KNOW

[100proof]

Spoiler:

I'd love to steal Derrick White. I proposed one a while ago in a late night flurry... Something like Grant/Wanamaker for White/Metu. Maybe add a 2nd or MIL 20. Maybe not since Grant is our 3rd big at this point.

SA will look to find a new home for LMA and DeRozen before dealing White. They like White.

Yeah, I assumed they do. But, also think Pop would love Grant. Like KOC says in the article, I'm confused why he plays so little. The logical thing would be Murray/White/Walker going forward and DDR/Mills roll off. But, if they can get a better asset for White like Grant and a pick, maybe they'd consider it. Longshot for sure.

White and poeltl wpuld be great gets

[Captain_Caveman]

the Brandon Ingram "rumor" is the most random trade idea of all-time. Why in the world would NOLA ever want to trade Ingram? a 22-year old averaging 25ppg. With Zion/Ingram in place the Pels have a core. The only way this makes sense for NOLA is if they want to acquire someone like KAT via trade and feel like collecting as many picks/assets as possible puts them in the best position to do that.

I call B.S. on this idea. sorry

agree, but still

Hayward, Romeo, Memphis pick
for
Ingram, Favors, Moore.

Nawlins ups the ante with a player of ingrams production in Hayward while adding a young do all wing and a lotto pick
Ball
Jrue
Hayward
Zion
Hayes

Boston shores up center position and adds ingram.
Kemba/Wannamaker
Brown/Smart
Ingram/Moore
Tatum/Theis
Favors/Kanter

Literally 0% chance of them even considering that.

[Darth Celtic]

Lonzo would be a similar interesting target - I’d give up Langford picks etc. for him

never in my life have i said "gee Andrew, that's a good trade idea." And that might be one of your worst ideas.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I read an article from The Athletic that suggested we trade with the Kings for Bogdanovic & Bjelica. I wonder if we could just get Bjelica & wrap the Warriors into this for Burks. I would assume the price tag would be a little cheaper that way. This is what the article suggested:

It is possible for a trade to net Bogdanovic and Bjelica, as Kanter, Poirier, Ojeleye, Edwards and Javonte Green could make the salaries match.

If we could acquire Bjelica & Burks instead, we could keep Kanter out & still not give up any core players (basically late 1sts, 2nds & non-rotation players). I think a this nine man rotation would be dangerous:

Kemba / Smart
Brown / Burks
Hayward
Tatum / Bjelica
Theis / Kanter

The bench gains some much needed shooting. I think we could even keep Ojeleye out of the deal too. While he's not a great player, he could serve a purpose against Milwaukee come playoff time.

Burks and Bjelica are the exact two guys I suggested in a post yesterday, too. Gettable, and we wouldn't have to part with any of our top 7 guys. We don't want to be going into this draft with three first round picks again. We can't (and don't want to) roster 3 more rookies, and that's not even including the second rounder we have. If we still have the 3 firsts on draft night, other teams will know we're desperate to get off them and offer us a quarter on the dollar for them. I say use them now to give ourselves a real bench. This team could still surprise in the playoffs with some competent shooters off the bench.

[100proof]

Poertlt, white, derozan
Hayward, edwards, timelord, picks?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Poertlt, white, derozan
Hayward, edwards, timelord, picks?

Gross

[BlazersBroncos]

Coming in peace, what do Boston fans think of this deal:

Hassan Whiteside, Anfernee Simons, Skal Labissiere, 2021 Lotto Protected FRP for Gordon Hayward, Enes Kanter

Thinking for Boston - They get a defensive center who can shore up any rebounding issues and is an elite shotblocker who has the size to match the bigs in the East Playoffs. Skal give another big man depth at either PF or C and Simons can be the 6th man scorer with Smart moving into the starting lineup. They grab another pick as well.

G - Kemba Walker / Brad Wanamaker / Carsen Edwards
G - Marcus Smart / Anfernee Simons / Romeo Langford
F - Jaylen Brown / Semi Ojeleye / Grant Williams
F - Jayson Tatum / Skal Labissiere / Grant Williams
C - Hassan Whiteside / Daniel Theis / Robert Williams

[Captain_Caveman]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28596920/sources-nba-set-release-revised-2020-21-salary-luxury-tax-projections

Something to consider. China revenue took a hit over the Morey thing, but nowhere near as catasclysmic as some had worried about. Cap and tax will both be up to $3m lower than projected next year.

[Celts17Pride]

I enjoy reading this thread but can only feel like a wet blanket because I truly believe one to three minor moves will happen in the entire league.

NBA's CBA has killed the trade market. Most teams have two tiers of players, one tier are players making $25-$35 million and the next tier are players making $1-5 million. Not a lot of players in between and it's getting worst every year. My opinion.

[Captain_Caveman]

Coming in peace, what do Boston fans think of this deal:

Hassan Whiteside, Anfernee Simons, Skal Labissiere, 2021 Lotto Protected FRP for Gordon Hayward, Enes Kanter

Thinking for Boston - They get a defensive center who can shore up any rebounding issues and is an elite shotblocker who has the size to match the bigs in the East Playoffs. Skal give another big man depth at either PF or C and Simons can be the 6th man scorer with Smart moving into the starting lineup. They grab another pick as well.

G - Kemba Walker / Brad Wanamaker / Carsen Edwards
G - Marcus Smart / Anfernee Simons / Romeo Langford
F - Jaylen Brown / Semi Ojeleye / Grant Williams
F - Jayson Tatum / Skal Labissiere / Grant Williams
C - Hassan Whiteside / Daniel Theis / Robert Williams

Not ridiculous at all, but no thanks.

[CelticFaninLBC]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28596920/sources-nba-set-release-revised-2020-21-salary-luxury-tax-projections

Something to consider. China revenue took a hit over the Morey thing, but nowhere near as catasclysmic as some had worried about. Cap and tax will both be up to $3m lower than projected next year.

Just imagine the losses if some people had a spine.